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EV sounds via tire/tread noise. 20 years from now: "Yo dawg, I gots new tires with the '89 Mustang five point oh sound treads" *drives down the street accelerating and slowing down (which makes backfire noises) repeatedly. "Dam bruh thats tyte. My new tires got the 2019 civic type R with aftermarket blow off valve and Vtec tread pattern". *does the same poo poo, but instead of "v8" roar from the tires comes V-TACCC engaging followed by blow off valve noises.
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# ? Jun 9, 2019 21:04 |
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# ? Jun 6, 2024 05:42 |
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So you're saying we've wrapped around to pop cans jammed into the frame like a bicycle
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# ? Jun 10, 2019 05:30 |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ef93WmlEho0 Except with pitch-shifted engine noises.
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# ? Jun 10, 2019 07:10 |
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mekilljoydammit posted:Tires have come along massively - modern 200TW street tires are probably roughly equivalent to 80s slicks. Downforce generation has come along massively - in the 80s they were basically inventing underbody based downforce and nowadays it's proven out enough you can best-guess shapes and get pretty close, much less what happens if you use any CFD. Shock absorbers, dampers, brakes, computer controls, chassis structures... A lot of assumptions and vagaries in this post.
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# ? Jun 10, 2019 08:21 |
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mekilljoydammit posted:Tires have come along massively - modern 200TW street tires are probably roughly equivalent to 80s slicks. Downforce generation has come along massively - in the 80s they were basically inventing underbody based downforce and nowadays it's proven out enough you can best-guess shapes and get pretty close, much less what happens if you use any CFD. Shock absorbers, dampers, brakes, computer controls, chassis structures... The ID R budget was about €25 million. The 919 Hybrid budget was around €200 million a year, and the program ran for 4 years. If VW had spent a billion dollars I’m pretty sure it would have gone faster. The ID R isn’t even a bespoke chassis, it’s a Norma M20 under there.
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# ? Jun 10, 2019 08:28 |
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https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/a27582146/lifted-honda-civic-type-r-safari-rally-build/
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# ? Jun 10, 2019 08:56 |
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Apart from the exhaust pipes that's so hot. E: obviously the exhaust will get hot, I mean they look funny and not thought out.
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# ? Jun 10, 2019 11:31 |
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fridge corn posted:A lot of assumptions and vagaries in this post. Do you care enough to read a wall of analysis text if I write it? Because I'm pretty sure I don't care enough to write one. Short version is the Nurburgring is annoying to compare times to because the VLN stuff uses a different course configuration and mostly the only people who bother with the same configuration VW ran are people dickwaving production car lap times, which are always going to be pretty feeble compared to actual race cars. But it's easy to compare Bellof's old 956 lap record because they ran 962/956s everywhere back in the day. drgitlin posted:The ID R budget was about €25 million. The 919 Hybrid budget was around €200 million a year, and the program ran for 4 years. If VW had spent a billion dollars I’m pretty sure it would have gone faster. The ID R isn’t even a bespoke chassis, it’s a Norma M20 under there. That's fine, but the 919 Hybrid actually had to compete under these things called "rules". Meanwhile, at something close to sea level, I'd wager an M20 with a good driver, in plain CN spec (not exotic 'strap horsepower to it' pikes peak variants) would be right around a 6 minute lap of the 'ring too.
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# ? Jun 10, 2019 12:42 |
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Powershift posted:https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/a27582146/lifted-honda-civic-type-r-safari-rally-build/ My inner Hot Import Nights heart says a tuned Civic should be low low but my brain says better suspension will make it more comfortable.
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# ? Jun 10, 2019 13:51 |
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mekilljoydammit posted:Do you care enough to read a wall of analysis text if I write it? Because I'm pretty sure I don't care enough to write one. LOL, gotta love the internet and its ability to mainsplain anything. Mate, I’ve seen the ID R run at Pikes Peak and the ‘Ring. I’ve seen Normas run at Pikes Peak too. The Norma has nowhere near the aero efficiency of the ID R, not its ability to punch out of slow corners.
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# ? Jun 10, 2019 13:56 |
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drgitlin posted:LOL, gotta love the internet and its ability to mainsplain anything. Mate, I’ve seen the ID R run at Pikes Peak and the ‘Ring. I’ve seen Normas run at Pikes Peak too. The Norma has nowhere near the aero efficiency of the ID R, not its ability to punch out of slow corners. That's nice. Why'd it only turn a 6:05 lap then?
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# ? Jun 10, 2019 14:10 |
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One of my best friends works as a lot boy for a specialty garage that mostly works in British stuff, with a focus on Land Rovers and other offroad stuff. Occasionally he will have to do hotshot pickups, so he will offer to buy me lunch if I keep him company on the ride. This weekend we went to pickup one of the nicest Jeepsters I have ever seen: The weekend before we delivered a Rolls Royce to a gentleman who also had a V12 Packard; it is all original save for paint and chrome: And when we returned this Porsche (I have no idea what it is but I'm told it is a fiberglass re-pro body) was waiting in the bay:
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# ? Jun 10, 2019 14:38 |
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Gay Weed Dad posted:
Looks like a 356? I learned about that one in Gran Turismo Sport If the in-game handling is to be believed, it is the epitome of the classic Porsche. Read as: screw driver input, it'll turn whatever the hell direction it wants RillAkBea fucked around with this message at 15:09 on Jun 10, 2019 |
# ? Jun 10, 2019 15:05 |
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Powershift posted:https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/a27582146/lifted-honda-civic-type-r-safari-rally-build/ Wrong thread. Because I'll never have one
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# ? Jun 10, 2019 15:22 |
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RillAkBea posted:Looks like a 356? I learned about that one in Gran Turismo Sport Early 911s where the same way.
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# ? Jun 10, 2019 15:31 |
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Ah I'm glad they finally figured out what those giant ugly plastic panels were going to be used for eventually!
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# ? Jun 10, 2019 16:39 |
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Olympic Mathlete posted:Ah I'm glad they finally figured out what those giant ugly plastic panels were going to be used for eventually! Yep, glad they got the hole saw out and let it rip.
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# ? Jun 10, 2019 16:45 |
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mekilljoydammit posted:That's nice. Why'd it only turn a 6:05 lap then? You mean why did it set the second-fastest lap time ever at the circuit despite having a top speed of only 270km/h (when DRS was active)? Because modern tire technology, aero, and an all-wheel drive powertrain with instant torque makes for a faster laptime than a 956 (which is a bit lighter, a bit less powerful, and which has a much higher top speed). If you're asking why it didn't get closer to the 919 Evo's time, could it be because the 919 Evo has about 500hp more and can go 100km/h faster in a straight line? Or could it be because you're a troll. I don't know.
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# ? Jun 10, 2019 17:27 |
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Jesus Christ the EV bickering is bleeding into other threads
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# ? Jun 10, 2019 17:30 |
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Just wait until self driving vehicles are available to consumers, then it's gonna be a three way war.
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# ? Jun 10, 2019 17:34 |
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Just wait until self driving cars are mandatory, it’ll be Red Barchetta come to life
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# ? Jun 10, 2019 17:46 |
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net work error posted:My inner Hot Import Nights heart says a tuned Civic should be low low but my brain says better suspension will make it more comfortable. What if I told you that the Type R feels like a normal Civic ride-quality wise in comfort mode
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# ? Jun 10, 2019 17:51 |
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BlackMK4 posted:What if I told you that the Type R feels like a normal Civic ride-quality wise in comfort mode Conflicted. I'd be happy that it's authentic to Civic experienceTM that I know and love, but sad that it's not better for the price
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# ? Jun 10, 2019 18:51 |
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wat What do you want out of the thing? STI RA - 50k 305hp/290lbft 3380lb 18mpg avg 0-60 - 5.7 0-100 - 13.8 14.0@101mph 60-0 - 103ft MT Lap - 87.56s Golf R - 41k 292hp/280lbft 3325lb 24mpg avg 0-60 - 5.7 0-100 - 14.0 14.1@100mph 60-0 - 107ft MT Lap - 87.9s Focus RS - 42k 350lb/350lbft 3340lb 22mpg avg 0-60 - 4.7 0-100 - 13.2 13.5@101 60-0 - 109ft MT Lap - 86.56s CTR - 35k 306hp/295lbft 3096lb 25mpg avg 0-60 - 5.0 0-100 - 12.2 13.7@105 60-0 - 99ft MT Lap - 85.45s BlackMK4 fucked around with this message at 19:12 on Jun 10, 2019 |
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Two fundamentally incompatible ideas of what a specced out Civic should be
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# ? Jun 10, 2019 20:43 |
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Oh, so you aren't the target market, got it. The Civic EX-L or Accord is for you.
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# ? Jun 10, 2019 20:45 |
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BlackMK4 posted:What if I told you that the Type R feels like a normal Civic ride-quality wise in comfort mode Does it? I only got a chance to drive one for about 15 minutes and it must have been in sport, because it felt as stiff and unyielding as an Audi R8.
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# ? Jun 10, 2019 20:51 |
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Maybe it was in R+
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# ? Jun 10, 2019 21:02 |
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Best thing about Slack is the utter detail MKJD goes into why he's right. It's amazing what goes through that man's head. Powershift posted:https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/a27582146/lifted-honda-civic-type-r-safari-rally-build/ TBH there is some bad design decisions that make it clear someone hasn't thought the build out well. So much Yeah Nah
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# ? Jun 10, 2019 21:08 |
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BlackMK4 posted:Maybe it was in R+ May well have been. It was intriguing and I've wanted to spend some proper time with one but Honda hasn't had any on the press fleet in a while.
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# ? Jun 10, 2019 21:40 |
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Given the update coming soon, hopefully that will change
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# ? Jun 10, 2019 21:51 |
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Colostomy Bag posted:Yep, glad they got the hole saw out and let it rip. It's a rally car - they should just cut the whole damned thing out and make it actually, you know, a vent.
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# ? Jun 11, 2019 00:09 |
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Snowy posted:Just wait until self driving cars are mandatory, it’ll be Red Barchetta come to life
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# ? Jun 11, 2019 01:38 |
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Arcella posted:I propose slide whistle Electric trains can do it, why not cars? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRf30pVGMp4
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Arcella posted:I propose slide whistle Bubb Rubb knew.
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# ? Jun 11, 2019 03:37 |
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# ? Jun 11, 2019 09:34 |
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Powershift posted:
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# ? Jun 11, 2019 10:26 |
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Looks like a home built Popemobile.
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# ? Jun 11, 2019 10:33 |
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:TBH there is some bad design decisions that make it clear someone hasn't thought the build out well. So much Yeah Nah I know you mean the build into a rally car but what you said also applies to the original design.
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# ? Jun 11, 2019 10:48 |
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Olympic Mathlete posted:I know you mean the build into a rally car but what you said also applies to the original design. Gimme an Integra Type R anyday - for looks and chassis
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