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Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

I wonder how much our HDI and national living standards would improve on reports if we just kicked Alabama and Mississippi out of the union?

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LordSloth
Mar 7, 2008

Disgruntled (IT) Employee
https://twitter.com/apcentralregion/status/1135640905300492288?s=21

Way too late, and still not enough, but very good to hear nonetheless.

LtStorm
Aug 8, 2010

You'll pay for this, Shady Shrew!


Grouchio posted:

I wonder how much our HDI and national living standards would improve on reports if we just kicked Alabama and Mississippi out of the union?

This is generally not a good avenue of inquiry. Those states contain around 6.5% of our black population and 2.5% or so of the white population. The reason living standards there are so terrible is unavoidably linked to the history of racism in this country.

paternity suitor
Aug 2, 2016

JIZZ DENOUEMENT posted:

Yeah he might have a punchers chance. Internet celebrity power is a good way to mobilize young democratic voters.

It feels possible to beat Mitch in 2020. His unfavorables are always dogshit but they are like 10 points lower than 2014, and this year he’s in a presidential year with a super unpopular POTUS. He’s more visible than ever and super hated, so I don’t know. I crave polls in a heads up matchup

Stickman
Feb 1, 2004

paternity suitor posted:

It feels possible to beat Mitch in 2020. His unfavorables are always dogshit but they are like 10 points lower than 2014, and this year he’s in a presidential year with a super unpopular POTUS. He’s more visible than ever and super hated, so I don’t know. I crave polls in a heads up matchup

It might be possible, but I don't think Trump is going to hurt him when Kentucky currently has +16 Trump approval.

Mustached Demon
Nov 12, 2016

paternity suitor posted:

It feels possible to beat Mitch in 2020. His unfavorables are always dogshit but they are like 10 points lower than 2014, and this year he’s in a presidential year with a super unpopular POTUS. He’s more visible than ever and super hated, so I don’t know. I crave polls in a heads up matchup

Just don't put a hare up against him.

Typical Pubbie
May 10, 2011

LtStorm posted:

This is generally not a good avenue of inquiry. Those states contain around 6.5% of our black population and 2.5% or so of the white population. The reason living standards there are so terrible is unavoidably linked to the history of racism in this country.

The black people aren't really the ones making state policy, though.

LtStorm
Aug 8, 2010

You'll pay for this, Shady Shrew!


Typical Pubbie posted:

The black people aren't really the ones making state policy, though.

Yet black folks are the ones suffering from those policies which keep them as impoverished as possible and cause them to hurt our HDI and national living standards. Black folks would also be the ones to suffer the most if Mississippi and Alabama were kicked out of the union.

That's why I commented that talking about how much better the country would be without Mississippi and Alabama is not a good avenue of inquiry.

Pembroke Fuse
Dec 29, 2008
We're now in full Weimar mode: https://gritpost.com/armed-neo-nazis-crash-detroit-pride-police-escorting/

quote:

“[The National Socialist Movement] NSM will be armed and counter-protesting the freaks,” wrote Burt Colucci, the self-identified “commander” of the neo-Nazi NSM, on Russian social network VK. “NSM, lets put some boots on the ground!! I don’t really give a drat about op-sec or Antifa in this situation. We go in with Swastikas blazing and if people don’t like it, tough poo poo…”

Videos from the event Saturday showed neo-Nazi protestors with police escort marching through downtown Detroit during the Motor City Pride festivities. NSM members from across the country reportedly traveled to Detroit to take part in this anti-Pride demonstration.
...
One voice in a video is heard shouting; “Why are you protecting them? These are literal Nazis.”

“How come they get protected and we’re not,” shouted another. “Our police should be protecting us.”

Meanwhile, a woman with a megaphone marching under a Nazi flag called out “You are all trash.”

Cops and Klan go hand in hand, etc, etc.

Xand_Man
Mar 2, 2004

If what you say is true
Wutang might be dangerous


Pembroke Fuse posted:

We're now in full Weimar mode: https://gritpost.com/armed-neo-nazis-crash-detroit-pride-police-escorting/


Cops and Klan go hand in hand, etc, etc.

Russian social network huh

Pembroke Fuse
Dec 29, 2008

Xand_Man posted:

Russian social network huh

Russia is a pretty fashy and homophobic country, so this kind of organizing using V Kontaktye (VK) makes sense. Same thing for many Russian-language subreddits that happily translate stonetoss comics.

Pembroke Fuse fucked around with this message at 22:44 on Jun 9, 2019

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth
yea that's way less likely 'elaborate Russian plot' and more 'Russians fuckin hate gay people and love tough cool cop soldiers' so they probably just had better luck using VK than Twitter or whatever

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth
Lol wanna get more mad?
https://twitter.com/Tennessee_Pete/status/1137750532314009601

Pembroke Fuse
Dec 29, 2008

sexpig by night posted:

yea that's way less likely 'elaborate Russian plot' and more 'Russians fuckin hate gay people and love tough cool cop soldiers' so they probably just had better luck using VK than Twitter or whatever

I wasn't implying that this was an elaborate plot. I think Russian social media is more permissive of open fash chat than even our own garbage social media, if that's possible.

LordSloth
Mar 7, 2008

Disgruntled (IT) Employee
A soul-crushing followup to Alabama's new anti-abortion laws; the state protects the parental rights of the rapist.

https://www.motherjones.com/crime-justice/2019/06/alabama-banned-abortions-then-its-lawmakers-remembered-rapists-can-get-parental-rights/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...e669_story.html

quote:

Last month, an Alabama state lawmaker introduced a bill that would have allowed courts in the state to terminate the parental rights of some men who rape women when the assault leads to the birth of a child. But the Legislature amended that bill, and the version that passed last week instead allows courts to terminate the parental rights of people who rape their own children. Gov. Kay Ivey had until Wednesday to veto the bill and didn’t, which means it is now law.

The WaPo article even has some quotes from Ned Holstein, boarfd chair for the National Parents Organization who claims that even if a person is convicted of rape "there is merit on both sides of this issue, and we have no position on it either way.".

LordSloth fucked around with this message at 00:35 on Jun 10, 2019

mycomancy
Oct 16, 2016

LordSloth posted:

A soul-crushing followup to Alabama's new anti-abortion laws; the state protects the parental rights of the rapist.

https://www.motherjones.com/crime-justice/2019/06/alabama-banned-abortions-then-its-lawmakers-remembered-rapists-can-get-parental-rights/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...e669_story.html


The WaPo article even has some quotes from Ned Holstein, boarfd chair for the National Parents Organization who claims that even if a person is convicted of rape "there is merit on both sides of this issue, and we have no position on it either way.".

Sherman should've burned every confederate state to the ground and every single rebel should have been executed.

FoolyCharged
Oct 11, 2012

Cheating at a raffle? I sentence you to 1 year in jail! No! Two years! Three! Four! Five years! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah!
Somebody call for an ant?

"We have no position" says group tacitly approving of law that promotes the rights of rapists.

Big Hubris
Mar 8, 2011


Garibaldi should have been made supreme commander of the Union Army, that he could wage the same war of unification he waged to free Italy.

Big Hubris fucked around with this message at 19:01 on Jun 10, 2019

HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin

EdithUpwards posted:

Garibaldi should have been made supreme commander of the Union Army, that he could wage the same war of unification he waged to free Italy.

better him than the Centari.

Taerkar
Dec 7, 2002

kind of into it, really

LordSloth posted:

A soul-crushing followup to Alabama's new anti-abortion laws; the state protects the parental rights of the rapist.

https://www.motherjones.com/crime-justice/2019/06/alabama-banned-abortions-then-its-lawmakers-remembered-rapists-can-get-parental-rights/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...e669_story.html


The WaPo article even has some quotes from Ned Holstein, boarfd chair for the National Parents Organization who claims that even if a person is convicted of rape "there is merit on both sides of this issue, and we have no position on it either way.".

I think at this point there is no longer a slippery slope fallacy when it comes to anti-choice types. There's always more misogynistic things they want to do and its always worse.

Stickman
Feb 1, 2004

FoolyCharged posted:

"We have no position" says group tacitly approving of law that promotes the rights of rapists.

Holstein is a piece of poo poo MRA whose "advocacy" group leans on a nonsensical "syndrome" to argue that shared custody should be the default even in cases of domestic or child abuse (mostly arguing that they're "overblown" or "invented" to strip men of parental rights). It's no surprise that his "Parents" organization (renamed from "Fathers and Families") wants to downplay rape.

FoolyCharged
Oct 11, 2012

Cheating at a raffle? I sentence you to 1 year in jail! No! Two years! Three! Four! Five years! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah!
Somebody call for an ant?

Goddamn, that's disgusting. And ironically demeaning of men since it assumes all abusers are men and shoots men worried about exes abusing their kids in the foot.

LordSloth
Mar 7, 2008

Disgruntled (IT) Employee
Some damning but perhaps overlooked context: this isn’t intentional, they just didn’t care enough to check first. They claim they’re going to fix this, but they already had the opportunity when they were amending the relevant bill.

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

LordSloth posted:

Some damning but perhaps overlooked context: this isn’t intentional, they just didn’t care enough to check first. They claim they’re going to fix this, but they already had the opportunity when they were amending the relevant bill.

oh so you mean it was intentional then

LordSloth
Mar 7, 2008

Disgruntled (IT) Employee
Criminal negligence

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth
It was NOT intentional they were just in such a rush to hurt women they didn't notice this glaring thing that they actually absolutely did notice and ignored.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



Bread Liar

mycomancy posted:

Sherman should've burned every confederate state to the ground and every single rebel should have been executed.

For a start, we can call them what they were, "traitors", and not rebels.

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

mycomancy posted:

Sherman should've burned every confederate state to the ground and every single rebel should have been executed.
Correction: Grant should've been even more proactive in handling reconstruction down south, hunting down the KKK, and helping Fred Douglas found a national black bank so freed slaves could have moved up into the middle class more easily. Then segregation would've had far less weight.

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

📈📊🍪😋



“Traitors” doesn’t make nearly as good a high school mascot

HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin

Grouchio posted:

Correction: Grant should've been even more proactive in handling reconstruction down south, hunting down the KKK, and helping Fred Douglas found a national black bank so freed slaves could have moved up into the middle class more easily. Then segregation would've had far less weight.

I'm not sure this is fair criticism when his predacessor was Johnson and his successor was Hayes.

HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin

Data Graham posted:

“Traitors” doesn’t make nearly as good a high school mascot

Strong disagree.

LordSloth
Mar 7, 2008

Disgruntled (IT) Employee
More Alabama follow up
https://twitter.com/nbcnews/status/1138333805125746688?s=21

nbc posted:

The Alabama chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union, or ACLU, opposed the measure as unconstitutional.

"It could be cruel and unusual punishment," Randall Marshall, the chapter's executive director, told WSFA. "It also implicates right to privacy. Forced medications are all concerns."

"They really misunderstand what sexual assault is about," Marshall said. "Sexual assault isn't about sexual gratification. It's about power. It's about control."

Mixed feelings about this.

I’d rather see Alabama make a concerted effort to pass a rape kit reform bill

http://www.endthebacklog.org/alabama

The Alabama Coalition Against Rape had some statistics, but their domain name expired on May 8th, and is currently parked by GoDaddy. Not exactly inspiring confidence in their organization.

Name Change
Oct 9, 2005


Data Graham posted:

“Traitors” doesn’t make nearly as good a high school mascot

Chaos Space Americans

Pembroke Fuse
Dec 29, 2008

Sodomy Hussein posted:

Chaos Space Americans

Slaves for the Slave God, etc.

Aesop Poprock
Oct 21, 2008


Grimey Drawer

LordSloth posted:

More Alabama follow up
https://twitter.com/nbcnews/status/1138333805125746688?s=21


Mixed feelings about this.

I’d rather see Alabama make a concerted effort to pass a rape kit reform bill

http://www.endthebacklog.org/alabama

The Alabama Coalition Against Rape had some statistics, but their domain name expired on May 8th, and is currently parked by GoDaddy. Not exactly inspiring confidence in their organization.

It’s going to end in poo poo shows like a black 18 year old getting chemically castrated for dating a 17 year old or something similarly disgusting. Alabama is especially not the state for this law (which I have tons of other issues with as well, not least of which being the efficacy of castration as a deterrent) to be given a try out in

FoolyCharged
Oct 11, 2012

Cheating at a raffle? I sentence you to 1 year in jail! No! Two years! Three! Four! Five years! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah!
Somebody call for an ant?

Aesop Poprock posted:

It’s going to end in poo poo shows like a black 18 year old getting chemically castrated for dating a 17 year old or something similarly disgusting. Alabama is especially not the state for this law (which I have tons of other issues with as well, not least of which being the efficacy of castration as a deterrent) to be given a try out in

No, no. Forced sterilization has a great history of no abuse and it will definitely go flawlessly.

And that's before you ask dumb obvious questions like how this is intended to prevent further abusing from the convict. Absolute best case is this exists to force people into staying in jail that would otherwise be released.

Dave Grool
Oct 21, 2008



Grimey Drawer

nbc posted:

"They really misunderstand what sexual assault is about," Marshall said. "Sexual assault isn't about sexual gratification. It's about power. It's about control."

Yeah but the law isn't really about preventing sexual assault either

Stickman
Feb 1, 2004

Chemical castration isn't sterilization and libido reduction can reduce recidivism in the small proportion of cases where libido plays a role in the sexual assault, but it also has a huge number of side effects and is inhumane and ineffective as a blanket requirement for parole. (Vox)

Dave Grool posted:

Yeah but the law isn't really about preventing sexual assault either

Yep, this.

LordSloth
Mar 7, 2008

Disgruntled (IT) Employee
Just thinking about Roy Moore; and then remembering he was the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of Alabama. Yeah, this isn’t it, Alabama.

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Jan 30, 2009


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Morbid Hound

Aesop Poprock posted:

It’s going to end in poo poo shows like a black 18 year old getting chemically castrated for dating a 17 year old or something similarly disgusting. Alabama is especially not the state for this law (which I have tons of other issues with as well, not least of which being the efficacy of castration as a deterrent) to be given a try out in

Does the law exempt convicted minors? Think black 12 year old getting chemically castrated for dating a white 13 year old.

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