#QAnon: Slacktivism For Fascists

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fishmech: Jul 16, 2006; by VideoGames; Salad Prong

JBP posted:

Are we sure Qanon is actually serious and not mainly people playing a massive online game of madlibs, because it seems like a fun hobby of one-upmanship.

And it turns out, he was Dracula!

That's crazy Dracula is like 1000 years old, it was his son, Alucard.

Oh yeah of course.

Q themselves is not likely to be serious, let alone that there's like 5 or so known so far

Much of the Q-priests who take the random gibberish Q posts and make explanations based on them probably don't take it seriously.

All sorts of random weirdos who only experience Q from people reposting the stuff from the Q-piests appear to be dumb enough to believe what the Q-priests say is true, especially since they basically never see the average original Q post.

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# ? May 24, 2024 22:05

Scarodactyl: Oct 22, 2015

I have had multihour long conversations (ok conversation is a stret h but he talked) with an old guy who believes this plus a host of assorted other gross conspiracy stuff. Def no irony there. Wish I'd known before I did business with him, locked in for the foreseeable future.

# ? Jun 12, 2019 05:10

The Chairman: Jun 30, 2003; But you forget, mon ami, that there is evil everywhere under the sun

There are a whole lot of online forums where middle-aged people talk past each other about their own interpretations of wacky stuff like guardian angels or ancient aliens or past life regression or whatever, and Qanon is just another iteration of the same, hundreds of bored housewives and retirees all lecturing about their idiosyncratic worldviews while not reading a thing anyone else says

# ? Jun 12, 2019 13:03

JBP: Feb 16, 2017; You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

The Chairman posted:

There are a whole lot of online forums where middle-aged people talk past each other about their own interpretations of wacky stuff like guardian angels or ancient aliens or past life regression or whatever, and Qanon is just another iteration of the same, hundreds of bored housewives and retirees all lecturing about their idiosyncratic worldviews while not reading a thing anyone else says

So basically YOSPOS

# ? Jun 12, 2019 13:16

Jay Rust: Sep 27, 2011

Are new Q drops actually being made or is it all just momentum at this point?

# ? Jun 12, 2019 15:35

fishmech: Jul 16, 2006; by VideoGames; Salad Prong

Jay Rust posted:

Are new Q drops actually being made or is it all just momentum at this point?

On the child porn spinoff of 4chan, yes "Q" is still posting random gibberish

# ? Jun 12, 2019 15:43

jojoinnit: Dec 13, 2010; Strength and speed, that's why you're a special agent.

Oh poo poo it finally reached my FB timeline

# ? Jun 12, 2019 17:05

pookel: Oct 27, 2011; Ultra Carp

fishmech posted:

To be clear, while "otherkin" usually means animal-people now, "otherkin" used to be heavily focused on people who said they were vampires, elves, fairies, dragons, angels, demons etc back 25-15 years ago. You can see why that;s what that group would talk up. Beliefs in things like atlantis were popular as justifications for why X person talking online was totally an elf angel but you don't see many of them around these days, because such and such a catastrophe made it hard for them to stick around.

At some point, wasn't there a term specifically meaning "real-animal otherkin" as opposed to fantasy otherkin? And also to differentiate them from furries? I can't think of it though.

# ? Jun 12, 2019 17:13

zoux: Apr 28, 2006

jojoinnit posted:

Oh poo poo it finally reached my FB timeline

Do what exactly

# ? Jun 12, 2019 17:32

Luigi's Discount Porn Bin: Jul 19, 2000; Oven Wrangler

zoux posted:

Do what exactly

Some Trump tweet had an image whose randomly generated Twitter filename started with DOITQ. So, do obscure social media puzzles I guess.

pookel posted:

At some point, wasn't there a term specifically meaning "real-animal otherkin" as opposed to fantasy otherkin? And also to differentiate them from furries? I can't think of it though.

Therian, probably?

# ? Jun 12, 2019 17:42

LanceHunter: Nov 12, 2016; Beautiful People Club

pookel posted:

At some point, wasn't there a term specifically meaning "real-animal otherkin" as opposed to fantasy otherkin? And also to differentiate them from furries? I can't think of it though.

There were definitely early furries who considered being a furry to be basically a real-animal otherkin. But that was also in the weird time when all these subcultures were getting sorted out through the internet. It used to be that there would just be the group of weird kids that all decided (some of them more seriously than others) that they were something that was some melding of their own personal obsessions and whatever type of White Wolf game they happened to be into with at the time.

# ? Jun 12, 2019 18:28

bird with big dick: Oct 21, 2015

zoux posted:

Do what exactly

Pummel my anus

# ? Jun 12, 2019 18:33

The Cubelodyte: Sep 1, 2006; Practicing Hypnolaw since 1990; Grimey Drawer

zoux posted:

Do what exactly

IT, obviously. You know. The BIG THING that Q has been working towards. That one. For reals this time, yep.

# ? Jun 12, 2019 18:47

Zanzibar Ham: Mar 17, 2009; You giving me the cold shoulder? How cruel.; Grimey Drawer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNNHs7lbUJQ

# ? Jun 12, 2019 18:51

zoux: Apr 28, 2006

https://twitter.com/dappergander/status/1138836938188890112

O Holy Memes

# ? Jun 12, 2019 18:58

Prester Jane: Nov 4, 2008; by Hand Knit

pookel posted:

At some point, wasn't there a term specifically meaning "real-animal otherkin" as opposed to fantasy otherkin? And also to differentiate them from furries? I can't think of it though.

Therianthrope.

# ? Jun 12, 2019 19:00

Prester Jane: Nov 4, 2008; by Hand Knit

So to build on the whole idea that the qanon phenomenon is just a modern version of the exact same psychological phenomenon behind the formation of the otherkin community, I went and dug up a 2003 post from what was probably the most famous otherkin at the time:

quote:

Like it or not, as dragons we are at the front lines in the battle to bring the ideas of magic back to Earth.

Yes, yes, I know -- this isn't news. The more impassioned among us have been saying that for years, right? Earth has Lost The Meme, and now that we've been enlightened it's our duty to go about Enlightening The Mundanes, and yadda yadda yadda. But let's set aside the Great Astral War (tm) for a moment and look at this in a down-to-earth way.

Consider the debates that are starting to swirl as the idea of Otherkin -- which is to say, the idea that humans can have non-human souls, generally through a process of reincarnation -- gains traction around the Net. It's encountering resistance, of course; probably almost exactly the resistance that everyone was expecting. Which is to say, a huge group of people who just can't be bothered with it except as an intellectual curiosity, a tiny group of people who seem to have a personal grudge against the idea, and a slightly larger knee-jerk chorus of "You guys are crazy!" with no particular thought invested beyond the brain telling the fingers which keys to type.
Having read entirely too many sterling examples of the latter in the last few days, it strikes me that -- no matter what the initial exposure to Otherkin was -- the initial argument always seems to boil down to something like this:

"This is crazy. Otherkin are a danger to themselves."
"Why?"
"Because they believe things that can't possibly be true. Look at the dragon people. How long until they jump off a skyscraper thinking they can fly?"

Aside from making the most unimaginably stupid assumption possible (akin to "Atoms are over 99 percent empty space. Anyone who discovers this must then assume they can theoretically walk through walls. How long until scientists, etc.?") ... the claim is illustrative of something illuminating and completely tangential to the point of the claim:
In the minds of critics, at least, dragons ARE the Otherkin movement.

I occasionally hear tirades against the elves -- probably because it's largely an elf user-base that has adopted the "Otherkin" label (animals often favor "weres" and many dragons identify as "therianthropes") -- but whenever the peanut gallery wants to disprove us, it's always draconity that comes up, out of all the broad variety of animals, sapients and oddities I've encountered inside the movement.

Why are Otherkin in general all gamer geeks with no grip on reality? "Because J.R.R. Tolkien invented dragons and you're just marching in his footsteps." Why are Otherkin in general deluded in this soul-is-something-else thing? "Because dragons are an evolutionary impossibility." Why are Otherkin in general on an ego trip? "Because you're always declaring yourselves to be something beautiful and powerful with the ability to smash and fly and burninate."
The irony in this particular mental rut is that critics are attacking dragons for the same reason that we're all drawn to them in the first place: Dragons are powerful symbols. Dragons are, in many ways, in our culture synonymous with myth. Unleashing one's inner dragon is setting the bar high.

The critics make one point with which I agree: Taking up the mantle of dragon is not something to be done lightly. Like it or not, we're at the front line of the battle to legitimize Otherkin -- and we need to be mindful of this as we declare ourselves to the world.

I think we can win that battle. But it's a battlefield tougher than any Great Astral War I've ever seen.

We need to show we're people just like anyone else; we need to show we're unique and genuinely different. We need to show we can blend seamlessly into society; we need to show we'll never be entirely at home in it. We need to show that we picked some wisdom up out of those five-thousand-year lifespans; we need to show that we're humble and aware of our fallibility. We need to show why we choose to chase possibly unreachable dreams. We need to show that the myths we represent are alive and that magic is there to be found if you look.

A tall order? Of course. But we're creatures of legend; we eat challenges like this for breakfast. I have faith we can tackle this one, too.

Many of us already are. We don't need to start our defense so much as we need to start stepping it up a notch: becoming more proactive in telling the world that we're OK and that our beliefs are not only unusual but also vibrant and affirmative.

So let's hold our snouts high. We are dragons -- hear us roar.

POSTSCRIPT: I actually had the vast majority of this post written last night, including the central point that "to critics, Otherkin is reducible to draconity." So what do I discover this afternoon while I'm tidying this up? Someone points me to a blistering, uncharitable Otherkin debate on Livejournal. The post title? "I'm a dragon!" (despite the fact that this person shows no signs of having read the Draconity FAQuntil after someone linked to it well on in the thread, and despite the fact that all of their cited resources are generic Otherkin sites). The sort of reductionism I postulate is amply in evidence there.

# ? Jun 12, 2019 19:11

bird with big dick: Oct 21, 2015

If I was mentally ill I�d probably pick dragon too just for huge & weird dicks

# ? Jun 12, 2019 20:59

twistedmentat: Nov 21, 2003; Its my party
and I'll die if
I want to

Isn't that what's it's called Meltoria, the dragon kin libertarian utopia where everyone gets high off catnip and it's run by a guy who claims that he can build anything because he's good at Minecraft?

Also, was Final Fantasy House Otherkin?

# ? Jun 12, 2019 21:22

Prester Jane: Nov 4, 2008; by Hand Knit

twistedmentat posted:

Isn't that what's it's called Meltoria, the dragon kin libertarian utopia where everyone gets high off catnip and it's run by a guy who claims that he can build anything because he's good at Minecraft?

Also, was Final Fantasy House Otherkin?

Meltoria was basically a much more popular/successful variant of the same kinds of otherkin cults I was involved with. The Final Fantasy 7 house included a number of otherkin and largely recruited from otherkin circles- it was basically a smaller and less successful version of the same kinds of otherkin cults I was involved with.

Prester Jane fucked around with this message at 21:38 on Jun 12, 2019

# ? Jun 12, 2019 21:32

Civilized Fishbot: Apr 3, 2011

It's a good thread, folks
https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3427893

# ? Jun 12, 2019 21:58

pookel: Oct 27, 2011; Ultra Carp

Luigi's Discount Porn Bin posted:

Therian, probably?

That was it, thank you!

IIRC those people were quite indignant about being mistaken for furries.

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packetmantis: Feb 26, 2013

Do otherkin actually have anything to do with Q other than the spurious connections PJ continually draws between everything? This stuff doesn't belong in the thread.

# ? Jun 12, 2019 22:56

zoux: Apr 28, 2006

Spuriously drawn connections, however, are extremely Q

# ? Jun 12, 2019 23:13

Luigi's Discount Porn Bin: Jul 19, 2000; Oven Wrangler

packetmantis posted:

Do otherkin actually have anything to do with Q other than the spurious connections PJ continually draws between everything? This stuff doesn't belong in the thread.

There is probably some legitimate connection in the sense that both otherkin and Qanons are living a double life, where irl they're essentially living normal, boring, somewhat deprived lives with little meaning or direction, but believe the boringness is a thin veneer over the true reality in which they're sexy elfdragons doing battle on the astral plane or Digital Soldiers using the power of Junior Jumble decoding and gematria transvestigations to topple the satanic deep state.

Beliefs in conspiracy theories are driven in part by a need to feel special and unique and both QAnon and otherkin deliver that in spades.

# ? Jun 12, 2019 23:28

Prester Jane: Nov 4, 2008; by Hand Knit

packetmantis posted:

Do otherkin actually have anything to do with Q other than the spurious connections PJ continually draws between everything? This stuff doesn't belong in the thread.

I would ask that you focus less on the specific of the beliefs being espoused, and more on the overall structure of the beliefs, the story those beliefs tell, and the centrally important role in a great conflict between good and evil that the adherent believes themselves to be in.

Otherkin and Qanon are imo both manifestations of the same underlying behaviour pattern. They might have very different exteriors, but it's all the same engine underneath the hood.

Prester Jane fucked around with this message at 00:33 on Jun 13, 2019

# ? Jun 13, 2019 00:17

Owlofcreamcheese: May 22, 2005; Can't post for 9 years!; Buglord

Luigi's Discount Porn Bin posted:

There is probably some legitimate connection in the sense that both otherkin and Qanons are living a double life, where irl they're essentially living normal, boring, somewhat deprived lives with little meaning or direction, but believe the boringness is a thin veneer over the true reality in which they're sexy elfdragons doing battle on the astral plane or Digital Soldiers using the power of Junior Jumble decoding and gematria transvestigations to topple the satanic deep state.

Beliefs in conspiracy theories are driven in part by a need to feel special and unique and both QAnon and otherkin deliver that in spades.

And look, we live with the consequences of someone posting on an otherkin board and then declaring they found deep secret wisdom to this very day!

# ? Jun 13, 2019 00:20

Prester Jane: Nov 4, 2008; by Hand Knit

Luigi's Discount Porn Bin posted:

There is probably some legitimate connection in the sense that both otherkin and Qanons are living a double life, where irl they're essentially living normal, boring, somewhat deprived lives with little meaning or direction, but believe the boringness is a thin veneer over the true reality in which they're sexy elfdragons doing battle on the astral plane or Digital Soldiers using the power of Junior Jumble decoding and gematria transvestigations to topple the satanic deep state.

Otherkin are also deeply into gematria as well. For those asking if otherkin material is relevant to a discussion about Qanon; I ask you: "What's the difference between the material quoted below and any random Q drop?"

quote:

Our neural network , interprets bio - electrical
impulses , into data , recieved by our human
bio - computer , as experienced as our sensorium...

All matter , is wrinkled light...

As any mathematician knows , you get very little
information , mathematically , from a flat sheet of
paper...yet wrinkle it , and the amount of information
is increased , exponentially...

The same with light...

Information is recieved , processed , and discarded , or
stored in the neural network , and helix...

As our sensorium experience...

Our perceptions , are the filters , created by past experience...

Perception , is a mode of observation , and consideration...

True Nature = Wrinkled Light

What we , and all is at it's core...

Earth Journey , ( at least ) , is our sensorium experience
while we are here , in body , as wrinkled light , experiencing
wrinkled light...

However , one point I did not mention , previously...

Self = 61

Nothing = 61

Therefore , the dichotomy...

Self / Not Self

The consideration of that , regarding sensorium ,
phenomena , and experience , opens many deeper
levels...

As far as Otherkin...

Possible information accessed through helix , or interface
with dimensional / interdimensional being , through time
or space , or spacetime , interpreted as personal link , and
filtered , and colored , by perception...

Our perception is determined by our senses + our experience(as limited by the senses)

Our senses depend upon Nature Animal journey through true earth(Otherkin).

Our senses determine our perception of the wrinkled light.

Is this ok or can you explain better(preferably) without any numbers?

Animal Nature is True Earth Journey

Prester Jane fucked around with this message at 01:23 on Jun 13, 2019

# ? Jun 13, 2019 01:09

AnimalChin: Feb 1, 2006

jojoinnit posted:

Oh poo poo it finally reached my FB timeline

is that myrtle beach

# ? Jun 13, 2019 01:21

Dr. Arbitrary: Mar 15, 2006; Bleak Gremlin

Civilized Fishbot posted:

It's a good thread, folks
https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3427893

I remember spending an entire day at work reading Aluminum sky instead of the work I was supposed to be doing.

# ? Jun 13, 2019 01:42

twistedmentat: Nov 21, 2003; Its my party
and I'll die if
I want to

Prester Jane posted:

Meltoria was basically a much more popular/successful variant of the same kinds of otherkin cults I was involved with. The Final Fantasy 7 house included a number of otherkin and largely recruited from otherkin circles- it was basically a smaller and less successful version of the same kinds of otherkin cults I was involved with.

Cool. I was legit interested in Final Fantasy House being a otherkin cult after watching the Down the Rabbithole episode about it
https://youtu.be/lFRjrLmc_4c
I forgot how much SA forums there is in that video.

Civilized Fishbot posted:

It's a good thread, folks
https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3427893

Yea one of the best threads on SA ever. And this isn't unlike Qanon, because its a bunch of weirdos creating this massive fantasy world that they can inhabit and pretend they're not a bunch of weird losers, but the destined rulers of the universe.

twistedmentat fucked around with this message at 05:18 on Jun 13, 2019

# ? Jun 13, 2019 05:12

Peanut Butler: Jul 25, 2003

Civilized Fishbot posted:

It's a good thread, folks
https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3427893

so good; someone put all the Malatora stuff in an .epub or something a while back, read that on a train trip cackling like an idiot

how long until the current internet cult weirds get seriously invested in the idea of a Q-topia?

# ? Jun 13, 2019 08:59

Ichabod Sexbeast: Dec 5, 2011; Giving 'em the old razzle-dazzle

Peanut Butler posted:

how long until the current internet cult weirds get seriously invested in the idea of a Q-topia?

They already are

It's called....

...America :911:

# ? Jun 13, 2019 14:42

mcvey: Aug 31, 2006; go caps haha

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JBP posted:

I actually miss Kyoon sometimes I hope he's ok.

I saw a legit Kyoon thread buried on Reddits conspiracy board a year ago~ and got to say hi. Can't remember what his post was on.

# ? Jun 14, 2019 01:03

Digamma-F-Wau: Mar 22, 2016; It is curious and wants to accept all kinds of challenges

not directly relevant to qanon but
https://twitter.com/swodinsky/status/1139577560835284992

# ? Jun 14, 2019 20:50

predicto: Jul 22, 2004; THE DEM DEFENDER HAS LOGGED ON

Digamma-F-Wau posted:

not directly relevant to qanon but
https://twitter.com/swodinsky/status/1139577560835284992

that has to be for the child porn, but the Q heads are going to go "deep state" ballistic lol

# ? Jun 14, 2019 21:04

Digamma-F-Wau: Mar 22, 2016; It is curious and wants to accept all kinds of challenges

predicto posted:

that has to be for the child porn, but the Q heads are going to go "deep state" ballistic lol

actually it's because of the San Diego synagogue shooter

# ? Jun 14, 2019 21:32

Sucrose: Dec 9, 2009

There�s been two different mass shootings by terrorists radicalized directly on the 8chan boards.

# ? Jun 15, 2019 23:17

twistedmentat: Nov 21, 2003; Its my party
and I'll die if
I want to

Sucrose posted:

There�s been two different mass shootings by terrorists radicalized directly on the 8chan boards.

As many directly influenced by Ben Shapiro.

# ? Jun 16, 2019 18:08

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# ? May 24, 2024 22:05

chitoryu12: Apr 24, 2014

Masked gunman shot trying to storm a Dallas courthouse.

quote:

In one picture posted Saturday, 10 magazines are laid out on the floor. In the caption, Clyde said he is no longer going to dress up for the local yearly anime conference in Dallas because he �decided to finish getting all of my mags.�

In a post from a day before the attempted shooting, Clyde posted a picture of a sword, saying that he was a �gladius� about to �defend the modern Republic.� His last post before the shooting featured a picture of his bare legs.

Clyde�s Facebook page is otherwise filled with vague warnings of an upcoming attack, conspiracy theories about the U.S. government, memes from far-right internet subcultures like 4chan, and misogynist memes.

In a video posted June 9, he warned that �the storm is coming,� a phrase frequently used by anti-government internet conspiracy theorists, and said he didn�t know how much time he had left. The video ends with Clyde saying he�s �ready,� and holding up a long gun.

References to incels, or the �involuntary celibate� internet community that is prominent on extreme misogynist message boards, are frequently posted in memes on Clyde�s page.

Clyde posted a picture of a swastika on a green flag, calling it a �solution� on April 29. He also often posted anti-U.S. government conspiracy theories, including posts about secret pedophile rings and CIA experiments.

In non-political posts, Clyde consistently extolled his appreciation for several of his hobbies, including anime, comic book movies, and guns. �God i love gun shows,� he wrote on April 27.

# ? Jun 17, 2019 20:18

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