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I find it very hard to believe Harrison being Khan was a last minute decision. The character being Khan was rumored very early, and again, they were casting Benicio Del Toro before they went to Cumberbatch.
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Beyond had a chance to be great because they asked a very Star Trek question which was, what happens to soldiers when there are no wars? And they get so close to exploring it but they never go into that second level. It's an interesting contrast to Pine-Kirk who is so bored with being a Captain and wants to find purpose vs. Idris Elba who had purpose but you get the feeling would rather be fighting all the time. It's no coincidence that Pegg who seems to get non-Star Wars scifi, was the writer. Also, because they split the cast up you got to see more personality of their characters. Into Darkness could of set up the what happens when your government gets so far from ideals to protect itself but it barely gets into it and Kahn feels like a weird throw in. Also none of the treks have used alien cultures at all. Basically, everything but Beyond is a waste of the Trek Premise. Also, Generations and First Contact are both good movies, fight me.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:I think you have to add that terrible scene with Carol and Kirk in the shuttlecraft, too. That scene is such a hit job on Kirk's character, and the lingerie shot is just totally gratuitous. And earlier in the movie they established that Pine-Kirk sexually harassed Yeoman Rand so hard she left the ship.
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Cythereal posted:And earlier in the movie they established that Pine-Kirk sexually harassed Yeoman Rand so hard she left the ship. Wait, I thought that was in the shuttlecraft too and it was Chapel. There was a line about Rand as well?
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Mooseontheloose posted:Also, Generations and First Contact are both good movies, fight me. They're mediocre, but not bad enough to be worth fighting over either.
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Angry Salami posted:Cumberbatch never plays anything except emotionless super-geniuses.  I kid, I kid. It was terrible casting
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Mooseontheloose posted:It's an interesting contrast to Pine-Kirk who is so bored with being a Captain and wants to find purpose vs. Idris Elba who had purpose but you get the feeling would rather be fighting all the time.
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They really needed to find an alternative for this era's Kirk than "I'm tired and bored, and old?" You just can't make these movies the same when there's not a TV show to build on and the cast isn't in their 50s/60s.
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davidspackage posted:They really needed to find an alternative for this era's Kirk than "I'm tired and bored, and old?" You just can't make these movies the same when there's not a TV show to build on and the cast isn't in their 50s/60s.
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Burnout would be a very real thing to a dude who's thrust into a position he wasn't ready for at an early age. They could explore that, but I wouldn't mind another episode of Kirk in his action hero prime before he gets all TDKR Bruce Wayne'd. Course there's probably tech in the future that could fix his problems, but you can hand wave that away with space aging or whatever.
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I've always said they should have just steered into the skid, cast Kal Penn as Khan, and called the movie "Sulu and Khan go to Ceti Alpha V"
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Mooseontheloose posted:Also, Generations and First Contact are both good movies, fight me. First Contact is really clever because they basically remake Wrath of Khan, but just flip things around. Instead of a big scientific achievement that the bad guys are taking advantage of, it's a big scientific achievement that the bad guys are trying to stop. Instead of the bad guy being an Ahab figure obsessed with defeating the hero, it's the hero who has become obsessed. As dumb as Sexy Borg is and the questionable aspects of Data's plotline, I do like the idea of Data being reverse borgified--an artificial lifeform given biological parts. But the problem is with Picard. They went through the vengeful Picard in "I, Borg." And you kind of have to ignore all that. And this is better than anything in First Contact. Timeless Appeal fucked around with this message at 16:44 on Jun 16, 2019 |
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I remember Data with flesh parts surprised me because, as a very little child, I had this reverse-borg race in my imagination trek that was basically androids taking human flesh to patch onto themselves. Seeing it in person was like WHOA THEY'RE MAKING ANDROIDIANS
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Timeless Appeal posted:But the problem is with Picard. They went through the vengeful Picard in "I, Borg." And you kind of have to ignore all that. And this is better than anything in First Contact.
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Yeah it was good. Still should have been Sisko yelling at him to BLOW. UP. THE. drat. SHIP. but alas
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What if, bare with me, what if instead of Sisko... it was Janeway?
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:What if, bare with me, what if instead of Sisko... it was Janeway? 
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:bare with me soft pass
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She outranks him within the next two movies, so just fudge things enough to make it work. The popularity of Voyager with audiences at large tells me there should be a Star Trek: Janeway coming immediately after Star Trek: Picard, so just get it done.
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I'm down for angry, Russian Janeway She should have been the Borg queen
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First Contact with Sisko and Picard would just have been wonderful. The character arcs and inherent conflicts are both great. You could take the queen entirely out and make it an action movie character piece with the conflict being between the two protagonists and their two very different points of view. Two men facing an unstoppable faceless enemy that had stolen their lives from them. There are several ways to write it that just fall naturally together, and the setup is already in the movie.
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I almost wish you guys hadn't put the idea in my head. It makes so much sense. Sisko could be on the Defiant, has the prior history to work out with Picard, and is GREAT AT YELLING Picard and Sisko could've gone back and forth, NOOO and YEEESSS, as they slowly smash and destroy every item in Picard's ready room. In my dream FC, it's the Enterprise D instead of E, Sisko instead of Lily, and maybe a few additional DS9 guys that make sense to be there. O'Brien, Dax, maybe Odo.
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Fine, have more TNG. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Mnn4a-Iqc0 DS9 on ice would have ruled
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Orv posted:What kind of hosed up poo poo are the future Romulans mining that they need MIRV torpedos? Would be real crazy if the movie explained loving anything about the villains.
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09 did well at the little character-defining moments for Kirk and Spock (although the opening with Daddy Kirk sacrificing himself to save his newborn baby had way more emotional force than anything else in the entire movie), but everything around them was an utter clusterfuck of nonsense, stupidity and contrivance. It still pisses me off unreasonably even now.
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Payndz posted:09 did well at the little character-defining moments for Kirk and Spock (although the opening with Daddy Kirk sacrificing himself to save his newborn baby had way more emotional force than anything else in the entire movie), but everything around them was an utter clusterfuck of nonsense, stupidity and contrivance. It still pisses me off unreasonably even now. The reception for it was good because at the time it was competing historically with four below average-to-bad TNG movies followed by seven years of nothing, so it was nice to see a modern Trek movie of any kind. One could sort of overlook the Dawson's Trek aspect and how absolutely contrived it was, and the idea of a TOS retro show was both something they had been planning in decades past and had not yet been absolutely beaten to death. In order for them to sustain the good will and continue making money, Into Darkness had to be a lot better than it was. Beyond was good to serviceable, but not a classic. I will say I really like the colors on the Beyond poster:  Kirk rides a motorcycle in this movie for... Some reason. Star Trek really struggles with trying to be hip. In Beyond they basically produced a standard MCU movie. The plot pays only light attention to previous movies, the villain is just kind of there, and everything is wrapped in a bow. Name Change fucked around with this message at 12:57 on Jun 17, 2019 |
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Well, I finally finished DS9! Final series verdict: war plot good, Prophets plot bad, best Star Trek series. Also, I got tickets for What We Left Behind when it's showing in the UK! Looking forward to it. Do they talk about the weird pacing at the end with the fire caves where they clearly just needed to get that done in 5 seconds?
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Payndz posted:09 did well at the little character-defining moments for Kirk and Spock (although the opening with Daddy Kirk sacrificing himself to save his newborn baby had way more emotional force than anything else in the entire movie), but everything around them was an utter clusterfuck of nonsense, stupidity and contrivance. It still pisses me off unreasonably even now. Watching the deleted scenes made me realize why the movie left me confused when Winona Ryder got cast to play an old woman and where Nero hung out for 30 years. They really went at that edit with a meat cleaver. Though I'm not sure if putting in the shot of children in Klingon costumes coming out of a small spaceship would've been advisable.
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Just a reminder that there was serious talk about Star Trek getting a "Best Picture" nomination at the Oscars since that was the year they expanded the category to include 10 nominees. Then Avatar came out and completely stole the thunder.
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Drink-Mix Man posted:Just a reminder that there was serious talk about Star Trek getting a "Best Picture" nomination at the Oscars since that was the year they expanded the category to include 10 nominees. As much as I am A-OK with the treatment Avatar has gotten in the past decade, there is no way JarJar's Trek movie should have gotten any acclaim in any sort of the same light as Avatar. I swear, this franchise will never recover from the double punch of the TNG movies and then the JJTrek movies.
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Nodosaur posted:Another day, another instance of this thread making everything about DS9 The Defiant is in the movie. They opened the door for it.
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AlBorlantern Corps posted:I think he went and "requisitioned" those himself from a base after his planet was destroyed Based on the prequel comic, Nero's ship used Borg technology because of course it did.
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Keiko needs to be in that scrum for depiction of Maximum O'Brien Suffering.
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Nodosaur posted:Another day, another instance of this thread making everything about DS9 As it should be.
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quote:Star Trek canon: Isn't this a scene showing Spock lying?
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