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Improbable Lobster posted:that's not an excuse actuallly fwiw mike pondsmith (you know, the principal dude that created the cyberpunk setting that the game is based off of) has been pretty critical of a lot of the takes going around about the game since he's working on it with cdpr. i think it will probably be fine to good and i'd almost guarantee that 90% of the people writing invective against it for clicks now will turn around and call it a goty next year. /shrug
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Jun 17, 2019 01:16
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i generally trust maximum mike to turn in a game that isn’t going to be god awful wrt social issues, he is a legitimately good dude and has been pretty open about where his early efforts may have fallen short of the mark at times.
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Jun 17, 2019 03:11
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As a cyborg, I Okay fine as a person I dislike the entire idea that my body is somehow lesser because it's got aftermarket parts. So, yes, it's a leaky disaster that somewhat frequently just becomes impossibly painful to operate and everything on the left side has stopped reliably indicating when it's about to fail. It did that before the docs had to resort to gluing on silicone and magnetic beads with horse joints. This thing didn't come with a manufacturer's warranty, I asked mom. It's a leaky, rotting, shambling mess I can barely afford to keep running - and I can't forever - but it's mine and it's all I can afford. With an unlimited budget I'd probably get the whole jaw thing maintained and the molars replaced with alloys better suited to the job rather than a patchwork job of bone, rot and resin, and would make sure to keep it under suitable temperatures, but gently caress, AC's expensive to run, man, and the status of "on disability due to severe nerve damage"... actually does come with dental but it's lovely dental. Also yeah, "Polish" is no excuse for not being woke and it's frankly more than a little offensive to think the Polish as rude brutes who can't be expected to have nuanced and respectful opinions.
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Jun 17, 2019 06:06
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polish game devs on the other hand... 
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Jun 17, 2019 06:36
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also roughly half my country does, in fact, consist of rude brutes
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Jun 17, 2019 06:37
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Fatal Error posted:also roughly half my country does, in fact, consist of rude brutes
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Jun 17, 2019 07:41
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endlessmonotony posted:As a cyborg, I i haven't read the cyberpunk source books but i have read a fair amount of shadowrun (and related works), and I think this is an odd mischaracterization/personalization of the themes of technological augmentation in the genre. i'd suggest that traditional 80s/90s sourced cyberpunk is, very specifically, reactionary against the idea of technological modification on the human body for the sake of "improving" it, be those improvements the ability to hide a ten-inch knife in your wrist or more mundane ones like a telescopic wireless dick (0.25 essence cost in SR). the entire question this genre is asking is 'if you start putting circuit boards and hydraulics into people, are they still people like you and me, who don't have those things?' which, again, is a reaction against the sort of "technology will make everything better!" mindset that was especially pernicious around the turn of the century. it strikes me as odd that someone would read those books and come away thinking they're making a statement about artificial hips or limb replacements (especially as we currently understand them and use them) make you less of a person on some inherent level. the big difference, in my mind at least, is that 'aftermarket parts' for human beings in tyool 2019 aren't really something you choose to have. if your body breaks, cool, in certain circumstances we can make you whole-ish or at least restore some functionality/quality of life. i'd suggest the closest analogue in modern times to the sort of issues being raised in these settings are the nimrods who are giving themselves exciting sorts of cancers with CRISPR and poo poo, or trying to 'biohack' by only drinking soylent and never making GBS threads (or conversely the people who are doing DIY poop transplants on themselves). with that in mind, i think that maybe the authors are on to something...
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Jun 17, 2019 12:55
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nimrod isnt an insult
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Jun 17, 2019 13:06
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it is an insult in common parlance ever since bugs bunny used it sarcastically
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Jun 17, 2019 13:22
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CRIP EATIN BREAD posted:nimrod isnt an insult feel free to die on this hill
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Jun 17, 2019 13:28
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uncurable mlady posted:fwiw mike pondsmith (you know, the principal dude that created the cyberpunk setting that the game is based off of) has been pretty critical of a lot of the takes going around about the game since he's working on it with cdpr. i think it will probably be fine to good and i'd almost guarantee that 90% of the people writing invective against it for clicks now will turn around and call it a goty next year. /shrug mike pondsmith does seem like a good dude but i also do not really have any faith at all in cdpr to not be bad at this after they've been publicly bad at it several times
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Jun 17, 2019 16:31
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video game scolds
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Jun 17, 2019 16:34
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Improbable Lobster posted:mike pondsmith does seem like a good dude but i also do not really have any faith at all in cdpr to not be bad at this after they've been publicly bad at it several times
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Jun 17, 2019 17:13
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:video game scolds i hope the keanu reeves cyber ghost game is good
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Jun 17, 2019 17:49
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https://twitter.com/pixelatedboat/status/1140459754843541504
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Jun 17, 2019 17:57
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fucc
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Jun 17, 2019 20:12
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that is pretty messed up yeah
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Jun 18, 2019 00:07
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Fatal Error posted:also roughly half my country does, in fact, consist of rude brutes are you a rude enough brute to save Johnny mnemonic?
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Jun 18, 2019 00:32
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bring Cyberpunk to your POSOS https://www.gog.com/wishlist/games/cyberpunk_2077_on_linux
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Jun 18, 2019 13:16
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no tux, no bux
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CRIP EATIN BREAD posted:no tux, no bux
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Jun 18, 2019 17:59
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gibson
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Jun 20, 2019 04:08
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THE Steve Gibson? The guy that invented SpinRite, the industry's #1 hard drive data recovery software?!
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Jun 20, 2019 09:14
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just hack it/him
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Krankenstyle posted:just hack it/him *rubs nipples matt lillardly at the prospect*
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:*rubs nipples matt lillardly at the prospect* /msg me
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Jun 20, 2019 18:08
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hackers can turn your morphine dispenser into a bomb party
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quote:For the most part, the study subjects made rational choices based on the economic value of the information (how much money it could help them win). But that didn’t explain all their choices: People tended to over-value information in general, and particularly in higher-valued lotteries. It appeared that the higher stakes increased people’s curiosity in the information, even when the information had no effect on their decisions whether to play. this research funded by zynga and the foundation for ubiquitous eyetrackers http://newsroom.haas.berkeley.edu/how-information-is-like-snacks-money-and-drugs-to-your-brain/
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uncurable mlady posted:i haven't read the cyberpunk source books but i have read a fair amount of shadowrun (and related works), and I think this is an odd mischaracterization/personalization of the themes of technological augmentation in the genre. i'd suggest that traditional 80s/90s sourced cyberpunk is, very specifically, reactionary against the idea of technological modification on the human body for the sake of "improving" it, be those improvements the ability to hide a ten-inch knife in your wrist or more mundane ones like a telescopic wireless dick (0.25 essence cost in SR). the entire question this genre is asking is 'if you start putting circuit boards and hydraulics into people, are they still people like you and me, who don't have those things?' which, again, is a reaction against the sort of "technology will make everything better!" mindset that was especially pernicious around the turn of the century. it strikes me as odd that someone would read those books and come away thinking they're making a statement about artificial hips or limb replacements (especially as we currently understand them and use them) make you less of a person on some inherent level. the big difference, in my mind at least, is that 'aftermarket parts' for human beings in tyool 2019 aren't really something you choose to have. if your body breaks, cool, in certain circumstances we can make you whole-ish or at least restore some functionality/quality of life. Humanity is pretty important to Cyberpunk 2020, maybe even more than shadowrun, since there it was basically just used to split characters into two classes (magic users and not magic users). Without it there isn't much keeping your idiot player characters from installing a million guns in their bodies or turrets in their faces and naming their characters "ol turret dick" and ruining your carefully crafted universe. Definitely agree that people are expecting too much from the game. Just because its named "Cyberpunk [2077]" doesn't mean its going to incorporate everyone's favorite ideas from the genre. Cyberpunk 2020 was already a pretty shallow copy (I seem to remember some disparaging quotes from Gibson about the table top game though I can't find them now because all my searches end up about the videogame)
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Jun 21, 2019 16:02
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the humanity thing is litterrally a game mechanic to prevent overpowered characters. the way the new deus ex handled it with cybernetics requiring significant maintenance and anti-rejection drugs seems like a more story appropriate mechanic
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Jun 21, 2019 18:13
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Can't wait to have the company that manufactured my eyeballs go out of business and stop releasing software updates so my eyeballs start mining bitcoin
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Jun 21, 2019 18:18
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if your eyes freeze, blink once, then blink again two seconds later, then blink eight seconds later, then two seconds again, then
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Jun 21, 2019 18:18
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haveblue posted:if your eyes freeze, blink once, then blink again two seconds later, then blink eight seconds later, then two seconds again, then laffo
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Jun 21, 2019 18:22
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ADINSX posted:Humanity is pretty important to Cyberpunk 2020, maybe even more than shadowrun, since there it was basically just used to split characters into two classes (magic users and not magic users). Without it there isn't much keeping your idiot player characters from installing a million guns in their bodies or turrets in their faces and naming their characters "ol turret dick" and ruining your carefully crafted universe. The writing in CP2020 was honestly not that great and I was really kind of hoping they'd ditch it and just keep the title. I mean, it was also the first* in the genre so I guess it deserves some slack. Later games like Eclipse Phase took basically a "gently caress me up, fam" approach to augmentation where the penalty for having/being ol turret dick was that other characters treated you like the future equivalent of Mr. Cool Ice. *first big hit anyway
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Jun 21, 2019 18:25
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Skyscraper posted:The writing in CP2020 was honestly not that great and I was really kind of hoping they'd ditch it and just keep the title. I mean, it was also the first* in the genre so I guess it deserves some slack. Later games like Eclipse Phase took basically a "gently caress me up, fam" approach to augmentation where the penalty for having/being ol turret dick was that other characters treated you like the future equivalent of Mr. Cool Ice. Reading the Cyberpunk 2020 history of what happens from 1990 to 2020 is...pretty weird.
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Jun 21, 2019 18:50
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Skyscraper posted:The writing in CP2020 was honestly not that great and I was really kind of hoping they'd ditch it and just keep the title. I mean, it was also the first* in the genre so I guess it deserves some slack. Later games like Eclipse Phase took basically a "gently caress me up, fam" approach to augmentation where the penalty for having/being ol turret dick was that other characters treated you like the future equivalent of Mr. Cool Ice. eclipse phase loving rules
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Jun 21, 2019 18:55
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lol I love to read articles about tech you thought would be a big problem in the Cyberpunk future and oh yes we’ve been running this a few years now.  https://longreads.com/2019/06/21/nothing-kept-me-up-at-night-the-way-the-gorgon-stare-did/
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NoneMoreNegative posted:lol I love to read articles about tech you thought would be a big problem in the Cyberpunk future and oh yes we’ve been running this a few years now. i swear the us government picks the worst loving names for poo poo like this. anyone who worked on this program deserves a camera shoved up his rear end.
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vodkat posted:eclipse phase loving rules EP is one of my favorite tabletop settings. Too bad the mechanics are dog poo poo.
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