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Tears In A Vial posted:vulcans can lie, evidenced by all the times they lied. any time they said they couldn't, that was also a lie. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuYbDP2kDfg
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The Vulcan Truth Directorate has determined that lying is impossible.
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:The Vulcan Truth Directorate has determined that lying is impossible. 
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Vulcans are an entire culture of arrogant self-righteous pricks, of course they’re lying about not lying. They all do it, every one of them.
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Vulcans can lie in order to save face for another
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AlBorlantern Corps posted:Vulcans can lie in order to save face for another No your haircut isn't stupid at all. In fact, we should all have that haircut.
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Payndz posted:I actually thought Kirk's ennui was a failing of the story rather than a benefit. It was exactly the same thing they did with the new Bond movies. 09/Casino Royale: meet our hero before he becomes the man you know! Into Darkness/Quantum of Solace: our hero is tested harder, but gets a step closer to becoming the man you know! Beyond/Skyfall: our hero has had a load of offscreen adventures and is now cynical and disillusioned and on the verge of quitting - wait, what? Think we missed a step somewhere... I've said it before, ItD would have been better received if it was the third movie instead of the second. Assuming they'd done the character building in the second movie, of which there is no guarantee. And lets not forget the opening scene in ItD. That was genuine ToS and I was hoping for more of that 5-year mission stuff.
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I like Beyond a lot and Jaylah was the coolest new Trek character in 20 years. Also Anton Yelchin was an amazing Chekhov. I feel like he came into his own throughout the trilogy.
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Blast Fantasto posted:I like Beyond a lot and Jaylah was the coolest new Trek character in 20 years. Yeah the new character was real good. They could replace Chekhov with her if they make another one.
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I don't know what's more awesome about the full scene; Kirk, Spock, McCoy, and Mudd "killing" Scotty with finger-gun phasers, or that Spock actually joined them in imitating the phaser's sound effect.
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:The Vulcan Truth Directorate has determined that lying is impossible.
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Similarly, Vulcans also have emotions, they are just suppressed. I am not sure why it became Vulcans have no emotions.
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Mooseontheloose posted:Similarly, Vulcans also have emotions, they are just suppressed. I am not sure why it became Vulcans have no emotions. Because Spock repeatedly implies in the original series that they have no emotions, and people uncritically accept him at his word rather than thinking about the (emotional) motives of the character or the several episodes where his emotional control is breached. It’s one of those misconceptions that becomes possible when a series has a large enough cultural footprint, like “Captain Kirk is a horndog who has sex with green aliens”. It’s got enough truth in it that people will repeat it, but it isn’t true and if people actually watched the series they would discover it. skasion fucked around with this message at 12:07 on Jun 18, 2019 |
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skasion posted:“Captain Kirk is a horndog who has sex with green aliens”. 
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AlBorlantern Corps posted:Vulcans can lie in order to save face for another I thought that was Minbari.
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EvilTaytoMan posted:I thought that was Minbari. The Minbari were lying about that being their trait to save face for the vulcans, whom actually have that trait
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AlBorlantern Corps posted:The Minbari were lying Checks out
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Sodomy Hussein posted:The reception for it was good because at the time it was competing historically with four below average-to-bad TNG movies followed by seven years of nothing, so it was nice to see a modern Trek movie of any kind. One could sort of overlook the Dawson's Trek aspect and how absolutely contrived it was, and the idea of a TOS retro show was both something they had been planning in decades past and had not yet been absolutely beaten to death. Did starfleet actually name a ship after Sir John Franklin only to have it disappear with all hands in deep space?
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Fornax Disaster posted:Did starfleet actually name a ship after Sir John Franklin only to have it disappear with all hands in deep space? It was a little on the nose.
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skasion posted:Because Spock repeatedly implies in the original series that they have no emotions, and people uncritically accept him at his word rather than thinking about the (emotional) motives of the character or the several episodes where his emotional control is breached. It’s like that joke where you can do all the greatest things in the world, but you gently caress a single goat...
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Epicurius posted:It was a little on the nose. It would be cool if a bunch of undead half-eaten sailors stumbled out of the high arctic seeking revenge on the Royal Navy.
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Hey there, Star Trek thread. It's been a few months since I've actually posted my thoughts on the show as I watch it so I thought I'd drop in. I'm currently in the middle of season 3 (Just finished For the World is Hollow...) of the original series and I can definitely see the drop in quality that folks here were talking about. Most of the episodes have been mediocre so far with very few standouts. Is There No Truth In Beauty had some interesting ideas and I really liked Day of the Dove despite the unfortunate makeup decisions. In the latter, the disgust in Kirk as he spits out the phrase "race hatred" was real good. I never posted my thoughts on season 2 so I might as well now. Overall S2 was pretty good! There were a couple of bad apples but there were plenty of episodes I would gladly watch again, in particular Amok Time, Mirror Mirror, The Doomsday Machine, I Mudd, The Trouble With Tribbles, A Piece of the Action. Tribbles and Mirror were a blast to watch. I've gotten the impression from other threads that people don't like the Mirror Universe but it seems like good campy fun to me. Sexy evil outfits, chewing the scenery, constant backstabbing, what's not to like as long as you don't try to take it too seriously. I find myself wanting more on alien cultures and politics. More universe building would be great, but something tells me I won't get much of that in the rest of season 3. Oh well. Edit: Also goddamn did Kang have some badass lines. Best dialogue of the season so far. FlavoFibe fucked around with this message at 16:53 on Jun 18, 2019 |
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FlavoFibe posted:Tribbles and Mirror were a blast to watch. I've gotten the impression from other threads that people don't like the Mirror Universe but it seems like good campy fun to me. Sexy evil outfits, chewing the scenery, constant backstabbing, what's not to like as long as you don't try to take it too seriously. People love the original mirror universe episode. They just don't like what the later series do with the concept.
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There’s some more background stuff established in season 3 (Tholian Web, Whom Gods Destroy, Savage Curtain stand out in that regard) but most of the politics/alien society stuff has to wait for the movies. The show was too starved by this point to do anything super ambitious production-wise. There’s definitely some good episodes still (Tholian Web is a classic and All Our Yesterdays is the closest thing to an ending the show gets) but a lot of meh or just dreck as well. Kang is awesome and that episode basically created the later concept of Klingons ex nihilo — Errand of Mercy and Trouble With Tribbles are great episodes in their own way and their villains put in great performances, but the Klingons in them are basically just faintly fascist bad guys, with very little of the character that Klingons would go on to have in the movies and later shows.
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Fornax Disaster posted:Did starfleet actually name a ship after Sir John Franklin only to have it disappear with all hands in deep space? Maybe, but the real reason is because Justin Lin named it after his father, Frank.
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Bobbin Threadbare posted:People love the original mirror universe episode. They just don't like what the later series do with the concept. Enterprise mirror opening credits and First Contact clip were loving awesome
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FlavoFibe posted:I never posted my thoughts on season 2 so I might as well now. Overall S2 was pretty good! There were a couple of bad apples I see what you did there!  [explodingrock.gif]
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Bobbin Threadbare posted:People love the original mirror universe episode. They just don't like what the later series do with the concept. Gotcha, I guess I'll just have to watch and see then! skasion posted:There’s some more background stuff established in season 3 (Tholian Web, Whom Gods Destroy, Savage Curtain stand out in that regard) but most of the politics/alien society stuff has to wait for the movies. The show was too starved by this point to do anything super ambitious production-wise. There’s definitely some good episodes still (Tholian Web is a classic and All Our Yesterdays is the closest thing to an ending the show gets) but a lot of meh or just dreck as well. Yeah the lack of budget is really showing now. I just finished Tholian Web and it was pretty great, aside from McCoy being wildy out of character, at least in my opinion. I can definitely see now why my dad named our first pet cat Kang. (it's because he's a huge nerd) After The War posted:I see what you did there! Lol I didn't mean that pun actually. I mostly meant stuff like Catspaw and Assignment: Earth. I kind of liked The Apple! They brought up a fantastic moral question about whether or not they should interfere with a species who serve a robot and don't develop, but it kinda gets thrown out the window when the Vaal wants to kill them so they blow it up. Didn't Vaal hold the Enterprise in place? If it wanted them to go away why did it keep them there? What was the point of the muder flowers? The Ultimate Computer was a great episode too, I can't believe I almost forgot about it.
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FlavoFibe posted:I kind of liked The Apple! They brought up a fantastic moral question about whether or not they should interfere with a species who serve a robot and don't develop, but it kinda gets thrown out the window when the Vaal wants to kill them so they blow it up. That one's funny because Kirk is all like "yeah yeah prime directive, but look at these nerds, they need to get laid!"
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FlavoFibe posted:I just finished Tholian Web and it was pretty great, aside from McCoy being wildy out of character, at least in my opinion. I mean that could've just been the Space Madness everyone was gradually suffering from until McCoy (and Scotty) found out you could make mixed drinks with Klingon Nerve Gas and cure it. Also I thought the POV shot of Chekov during his freakout being a fisheye lens was a nice touch to get the idea of "this area of space is destroying our brains" across with what they had to work with.
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FlamingLiberal posted:According to Jonathan Frakes, the Picard Show has finished filming He’s finished filming his bit. They’re halfway through the season’s filming.
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The_Doctor posted:He’s finished filming his bit. They’re halfway through the season’s filming. It’s almost the end of June, I’m not sure how the hell this will be ready to release by ‘fall’
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FlamingLiberal posted:Alright well his Tweet was misleading then The first few episodes are probably fairly close to being finished since tv shows start editing and post-production while later episodes are still filming. I wouldn’t be surprised to see a late September or early October premiere date.
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