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Foehammer007 posted:Can I get eve online classic please I'd be curious to see  make a server with EVE in it's original form just for a week or 2, so that all the people who complain about how EVE used to be better can finally shut the gently caress up when they realize how bad it was.
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Dalael posted:I'd be curious to see I, too, wish to land 15km off every gate and have a metric fuckton of bookmarks for every gate in every system.
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Jun 18, 2019 20:31
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TigerXtrm posted:I, too, wish to land 15km off every gate and have a metric fuckton of bookmarks for every gate in every system. *nods* Still a habit I have whenever I move into a new system. I gave up with Delve after doing half of it when I realized, what is even the point of those bookmarks anymore?
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Jun 18, 2019 20:32
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Dalael posted:*nods* It took you more than 10 years to realize that?
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Jun 18, 2019 20:39
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TigerXtrm posted:It took you more than 10 years to realize that? I could say that old habits try hard but the truth is, and anyone here will tell you, i'm just stupid
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Jun 18, 2019 20:49
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OTOH, the jukebox would be back, so that's nice
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Jun 18, 2019 21:23
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Wibla posted:Perfect avatar/post combo ever... I wish I could remember which post of his inspired that  , but at the same time I'm glad I don't remember (probably).Kimsemus posted:OTOH, the jukebox would be back, so that's nice In all of it's memory leaking glory? Xolve fucked around with this message at 21:31 on Jun 18, 2019 |
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Jun 18, 2019 21:27
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Rutibex posted:The game was designed in 2003. I have to imagine moores law has made running the servers exponentially cheaper over time. Moores Law has been dead for quite a while now.
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Jun 18, 2019 21:39
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Foehammer007 posted:Can I get eve online classic please Remote doomsdays sounded fun. Do titans even have doomsdays' anymore?
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Jun 18, 2019 21:44
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Facebook Aunt posted:Do titans even have doomsdays' anymore? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtjzZoAE4-M
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Jun 18, 2019 22:07
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Facebook Aunt posted:Remote doomsdays sounded fun. Do titans even have doomsdays' anymore? Yeah, and were eliminated the first *day* after our first came out of the CSAA. EVE was always destined for entropy. This horrible state of unfun affairs would've happened even sooner if BoB had won the ~Great War~.
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Jun 18, 2019 23:57
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Facebook Aunt posted:Remote doomsdays sounded fun. Do titans even have doomsdays' anymore? They were extremely not fun
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Jun 19, 2019 00:22
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Oh, a nice kestrel just warped in. Oh wait, it lit a cyno. Boom, you're all dead. Fun and engaging gameplay!
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Jun 19, 2019 00:27
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Wibla posted:Oh, a nice kestrel just warped in. Oh wait, it lit a cyno. Boom, you're all dead. about as fun and engaging as the current meta  wanna roam around? too loving bad -- here's a boson on a gate. 
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Jun 19, 2019 01:34
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Kimsemus posted:about as fun and engaging as the current meta To be fair, thats pretty much the only way to kill fleets that revolve around the "uncatchable" playstyle. Or just afk cloak as soon as they get though the gate and never have another chance to kill it for days, possibly weeks.
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Jun 19, 2019 01:37
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SugarAddict posted:To be fair, thats pretty much the only way to kill fleets that revolve around the "uncatchable" playstyle. it's also a way to call almost every other subcap roam you're hammering a nail with a nuclear weapon.
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Kimsemus posted:you're hammering a nail with a nuclear weapon. And it's pretty much the only way to absolutely kill something before it has a chance to do any damage. I lived in a wormhole on and off for a few years, once someone gets a cloakly scan alt inside your place, you will probably not have another chance to kill it for months, possibly more than a year. That one cloaky ship isn't just one ship in practice. For wormholes, it's just going to be there waiting for everyone to log off before they make their move and let more hostiles in or set up an ambush. For nullsec: a covert cyno and never decloaking in anyplace other than a safe spot means you have to treat it as a a cloaky jumpbridge for hostiles.
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SugarAddict posted:And it's pretty much the only way to absolutely kill something before it has a chance to do any damage. I honestly don't see a problem with any of that kind of guerilla warfare/gameplay though.
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just remove local, congrats you've fixed the pvpve ecosystem
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Rutibex posted:Yeah, when there are 1000+ people in the same system. The fact that EVE can even pull that off is testament to the low server overhead. Back in 2003 you couldn't even buy a multi core processor, now you can get 18 cores in one. The systems are instanced so today a typical processor can run 18 systems, where in 2003 it could only do one. I'd say that's a savings. They've upgraded hardware at least twice since I started playing about a decade ago. Also Capex is generally not the major fiscal constraint on running software as a service.
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Wibla posted:Oh, a nice kestrel just warped in. Oh wait, it lit a cyno. Boom, you're all dead. Wait, does this refer to doomsdays firing through a cyno bridge? Because that sounds hilarious.
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TigerXtrm posted:Wait, does this refer to doomsdays firing through a cyno bridge? Because that sounds hilarious. That is literally how it worked. Imagine an AOE smartbomb that kills every single thing on grid unless it's a heavy tanked battleship, which can soak two or three of those at most. And only one alliance had them for a good bit. (They were the baddies.)
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Jun 19, 2019 07:59
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TigerXtrm posted:We won EVE by sheer organizational skill and the existence of SA that ties many people together outside of EVE. You can't nerf that. Even if other alliances had the same numbers, no other alliance in the game would be able to sustain them in the way Goons do. I love Mittani's way of putting it: "A nerf to us is an even bigger nerf to our enemies." Simply because we somehow always find a way to use the existing game mechanics to their full potential where others can't or won't. And even if some spy were to break Goonswarm apart tomorrow, we'd just rebuild instead of turning over and dying. That much has been proven like three times already, if not more. You realize that of the dozen or so posters posting itt, only a third to half of them are even part of the imperium right Do you also realize that if you bring eve up in any of the goon gaming discord’s everyone will groan about either how annoying eve goons are or how much they regret playing eve when they did SA has very little to do with why Goonswarm is still around, captain regdate
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Kesper North posted:That is literally how it worked. Imagine an AOE smartbomb that kills every single thing on grid unless it's a heavy tanked battleship, which can soak two or three of those at most. And only one alliance had them for a good bit. (They were the baddies.) And the titan(s) firing them off were doing so from meters outside a POS shield, and would get bumped back into the shield after firing. Oh, and don't forget "Titan Bowling," too. Another thing that was nerfed/declared an exploit very soon after the first Goon titan was deployed.
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FAT32 SHAMER posted:You realize that of the dozen or so posters posting itt, only a third to half of them are even part of the imperium right 
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FAT32 SHAMER posted:You realize that of the dozen or so posters posting itt, only a third to half of them are even part of the imperium right Chaos Goons
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FAT32 SHAMER posted:You realize that of the dozen or so posters posting itt, only a third to half of them are even part of the imperium right 
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Yeah, okay. I had that one coming.
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TigerXtrm posted:Yeah, okay. I had that one coming. fat did you a favor learn from this
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FAT32 SHAMER posted:You realize that of the dozen or so posters posting itt, only a third to half of them are even part of the imperium right I am a member of the hookup site SomethingAwful(dot)com and not a member of the Imperium or play with Eve goons. I however play other games with goons like World of Warships (another game being actively driven into the ground).
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FAT32 SHAMER posted:You realize that of the dozen or so posters posting itt, only a third to half of them are even part of the imperium right i used to be in the cfc? long time ago!
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Loky11 posted:I however play other games with goons like World of Warships (another game being actively driven into the ground). The only good thing to come out of World of Warships are Yuro's videos 
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wafflethief posted:i used to be in the cfc? long time ago! wow wafflethief, really cool?
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Realistically, what happens if goons do actually take over and keep tribute, vale and beyond? will a lot of players be pushed into lowsec creating a resurgence of content in low, making the game more enjoyable? does it kill the game? does delete goons to save the game?
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It's far more likely that EVE's new Korean overlords pull a "soft reset" by enabling people to literally buy wins. That didn't work before when AAA was being bankrolled (supposedly) by a literal Russian billionaire because you still had to be competent and persistent to do things. If Pearl Abyss makes "official" RMT the new way to win in strategic-level battles in EVE I could see us just loving off on general principle. GF.com server drives are/were one thing, having to buy off the developers lest your opponents do so - that's something else.
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imagine being able to pay for external alliance infrastructure (jabber/mumble/forums/etc) with plex would probably be bad for plex prices but reselling cheap services at a markup would be good money for them, especially when that mark up also increases the demand for plex. I hope ccp/PA doesnt read this thread.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:It's far more likely that EVE's new Korean overlords pull a "soft reset" by enabling people to literally buy wins. That didn't work before when AAA was being bankrolled (supposedly) by a literal Russian billionaire because you still had to be competent and persistent to do things. If Pearl Abyss makes "official" RMT the new way to win in strategic-level battles in EVE I could see us just loving off on general principle. GF.com server drives are/were one thing, having to buy off the developers lest your opponents do so - that's something else. Hurray
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People are too risk averse in this game and that kills content. Look at the keepstar kills, we only deployed titans in deep structure even with superior numbers. The poo poo kite meta too is dumb. It works so people do it and then those same people cry about no content.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:It's far more likely that EVE's new Korean overlords pull a "soft reset" by enabling people to literally buy wins. That didn't work before when AAA was being bankrolled (supposedly) by a literal Russian billionaire because you still had to be competent and persistent to do things. If Pearl Abyss makes "official" RMT the new way to win in strategic-level battles in EVE I could see us just loving off on general principle. GF.com server drives are/were one thing, having to buy off the developers lest your opponents do so - that's something else. Speaking as someone playing another Pearl Abyss game (Black Desert Online) The Pay 2 win is less than pre-PA Eve Like in BDO you can buy a ton of quality of life stuff (increased bank space, increased carry weight, pets that loot the field faster) with real money and some minor combat related bonuses, mostly in the form of XP buffs. You can buy some stuff for real money and sell for in game currency but even then the game has a cap on how many of those items you can sell per week so people don't buy a ton of them to sell. Imagine if Eve had a cap on how many plex you could take out of plex storage per month? In Eve you can start fresh and buy yourself a ton of injectors as well as expensive and powerful ships. Yeah you're not going to shift the galactic political landscape with that but straight up real money can buy you a ton of improvements on a personal level. Far stronger than anything in a PA game.
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