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Yinlock posted:CCG has finally reached the Duel at the Forbidden City, and also the invention of the Song Shuhang Speedometer I think what makes CCG so great is the Song Shuhang is the eternal plaything of the universe. Yes he's a completely OP protagonist with broken powers and plot protection, but the world doesn't care and life can still be suffering even when you're OP.
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Argas posted:I think what makes CCG so great is the Song Shuhang is the eternal plaything of the universe. Yes he's a completely OP protagonist with broken powers and plot protection, but the world doesn't care and life can still be suffering even when you're OP. It also makes his lucky moments feel less bullshit, like after the universe takes a huge dump on him it's funny to watch villainous passerbys just get utterly hosed by the blowback there's a good balance between owning and getting owned
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Jun 16, 2019 20:43
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He has the same energy as Jackie Chan's characters.
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Jun 16, 2019 21:22
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Argas posted:I think what makes CCG so great is the Song Shuhang is the eternal plaything of the universe. Yes he's a completely OP protagonist with broken powers and plot protection, but the world doesn't care and life can still be suffering even when you're OP. Partly because it's obvious that Shuhang's biggest breaks of luck are entirely because it would make Senior White's life more convenient. Half Shuhang's powerset exists solely so White can enjoy some tasty snacks and a drink.
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Jun 16, 2019 23:27
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Yinlock posted:It also makes his lucky moments feel less bullshit, like after the universe takes a huge dump on him it's funny to watch villainous passerbys just get utterly hosed by the blowback it's also great that shuhang knows this and gets really nervous any time he has a stroke of great fortune without accompanying bad luck. Also the part where Shuhang told Senior White "Hey, I'm glad you like having me around, but if I don't make it to fourth stage I won't have the lifespan to help you out next time you come out of secluded meditation." and Senior White said "Oh no! I hope you make it to fourth, then!" and Shuhang just kind of shrugged and accepted that he was now guaranteed to make it to fourth.
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Jun 16, 2019 23:45
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Log082 posted:it's also great that shuhang knows this and gets really nervous any time he has a stroke of great fortune without accompanying bad luck. What he doesn't realize is that every time Copper Trigram tries to avoid the consequences of his own actions by impersonating Shuhang, he ends up catching whatever misfortune was scheduled to hit Shuhang that day.
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Jun 17, 2019 01:37
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Avulsion posted:What he doesn't realize is that every time Copper Trigram tries to avoid the consequences of his own actions by impersonating Shuhang, he ends up catching whatever misfortune was scheduled to hit Shuhang that day. while shuhang is the universe's punching bag, people who plot against shuhang tend to get dicked over by said universe
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Jun 17, 2019 04:32
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Yinlock posted:while shuhang is the universe's punching bag, people who plot against shuhang tend to get dicked over by said universe The universe is protective of its punching bag.
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Jun 17, 2019 04:55
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Out of curiosity are there any "stuck in my mmo" stories that do anything interesting with alts? Like maybe they come in as their bank alt instead of their high level hero, or they grumble about being stuck in a low fantasy PvP game instead of flying around city of heroes?
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Jun 18, 2019 05:07
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bagrada posted:Out of curiosity are there any "stuck in my mmo" stories that do anything interesting with alts? Like maybe they come in as their bank alt instead of their high level hero, or they grumble about being stuck in a low fantasy PvP game instead of flying around city of heroes? Log Horizon has the MC's alt show up as a whole new character
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Jun 18, 2019 05:19
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that's pretty much the standard for the many 'stuck in a fantasy world which is inexplicably identical to a mmo the mc played'. they start at low levels and wow onlookers with their strangely encyclopedic knowledge of every quest and npc in the game. the many ways that this makes no sense are never addressed.
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Jun 18, 2019 05:21
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bagrada posted:Out of curiosity are there any "stuck in my mmo" stories that do anything interesting with alts? Like maybe they come in as their bank alt instead of their high level hero, or they grumble about being stuck in a low fantasy PvP game instead of flying around city of heroes? IIRC https://www.novelupdates.com/series/the-pseudo-kunoichi-from-another-world/ had the MC able to switch between her alts or classes or something. Translation's dead, though.
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Jun 18, 2019 07:15
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iirc in maou-sama retry the main character occasionally busts out his alternate characters in a sort of "transformation sequence" so he can do cool poo poo incognito. Kind of lame but it's something I guess. I've always felt like there was unexplored potential in the "MMO alt" concept. Nowadays there are so many "transported into another world as a video game character" type deals that it really surprises me that there doesn't seem to be any that have taken a crack at expanding on that thought to include alts. Because alts are super ubiquitous, right? Anyone who ever seriously played an MMO and isn't that specific type of personality that is fine with sinking thousands of hours into one character has alts, so it seems like a natural thing to write about... but nobody does. Bit of a pity.
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bagrada posted:Out of curiosity are there any "stuck in my mmo" stories that do anything interesting with alts? Like maybe they come in as their bank alt instead of their high level hero, or they grumble about being stuck in a low fantasy PvP game instead of flying around city of heroes? Life Reset is an english LitRPG story on kindle about a dude who gets stuck playing as a goblin boss after leading a large guild and loses his mind. It does have some issues with world building related to how he ends up playing a goblin and why he keeps playing as a goblin, but I found it reasonably entertaining . It's been a while though. There's also a genderbender story about a dude who gets stuck playing his vampire princess, but I never got very far, nor do I remember much of it, including the name. It's a LN, so probably something very literal.
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Jun 18, 2019 08:58
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sunken fleet posted:iirc in maou-sama retry the main character occasionally busts out his alternate characters in a sort of "transformation sequence" so he can do cool poo poo incognito. Kind of lame but it's something I guess. At least half the time the author's never actually played an MMO. More than a few series are depicted where players are only allowed to have one character, and if there is any sort of rerolling service it's paid. It's the same reason why so many series have PvP treated as being serious business, with PKers being treated like dangerous psychopaths, instead of it being like "lol let's gank this chob". A lot of the time these series are just made as a way for them to do an isekai but lowering the stakes so it's not a life-and-death struggle. You can tell which series are made by people who actually spent a lot of time playing MMOs and want to write about that because it comes out in their writing. Cynic Jester posted:Life Reset is an english LitRPG story on kindle about a dude who gets stuck playing as a goblin boss after leading a large guild and loses his mind. It does have some issues with world building related to how he ends up playing a goblin and why he keeps playing as a goblin, but I found it reasonably entertaining . It's been a while though. There's also a genderbender story about a dude who gets stuck playing his vampire princess, but I never got very far, nor do I remember much of it, including the name. It's a LN, so probably something very literal. Sounds like https://www.novelupdates.com/series/kyuuketsu-hime-wa-barairo-no-yume-o-miru/
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if i recall correctly the author of only sense online hasn't really played mmo's, but unlike most of their peers they actually did research about the subject. it really shows.
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Thanks for the replies, sounds like its been explored a bit at least.sunken fleet posted:I've always felt like there was unexplored potential in the "MMO alt" concept. Nowadays there are so many "transported into another world as a video game character" type deals that it really surprises me that there doesn't seem to be any that have taken a crack at expanding on that thought to include alts. Because alts are super ubiquitous, right? Anyone who ever seriously played an MMO and isn't that specific type of personality that is fine with sinking thousands of hours into one character has alts, so it seems like a natural thing to write about... but nobody does. Bit of a pity. Quantum Leap but you jump between every video game character you've ever played sounds like it could be interesting. Even if it was limited to mmos some people have a few decades under their belt now.
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bagrada posted:Out of curiosity are there any "stuck in my mmo" stories that do anything interesting with alts? Like maybe they come in as their bank alt instead of their high level hero, or they grumble about being stuck in a low fantasy PvP game instead of flying around city of heroes? Moto Sekai Ichi'i No Sub-Chara Ikusei Nikki is about a dude who commits suicide when the mmo servers get hacked and the top like, 1000 character data is deleted, and gets mmosekai'd into his bank alt. Of course, he promptly powerlevels himself and then it resumes the standard.
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Can we please just have a series that starts with a weak protagonist who has to be clever to get through their problems and stays that way through the entire story? I want to read about harrowing near-death adventures where every advantage has to be fought for and nothing is guaranteed, not thirty chapters of “oh no I’m going to die” and then immediate ascension to godhood.
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blastron posted:Can we please just have a series that starts with a weak protagonist who has to be clever to get through their problems and stays that way through the entire story? I want to read about harrowing near-death adventures where every advantage has to be fought for and nothing is guaranteed, not thirty chapters of “oh no I’m going to die” and then immediate ascension to godhood. thirty is pretty generous cultivation chat group might count, the protagonist does get super strong but always faces stuff like 20x above him and needs to cheat like a motherfucker to win he wins his first couple fights by lying his rear end off with a couple high-level single-use items and using them to pretend he's a Big Deal when a slight breeze would murder him e: konosuba also does underdog fights pretty well comedy stories seem a lot better at it for some reason sunken fleet posted:iirc in maou-sama retry the main character occasionally busts out his alternate characters in a sort of "transformation sequence" so he can do cool poo poo incognito. Kind of lame but it's something I guess. my dream MMO LN scenario is "npc gains sentience" Yinlock fucked around with this message at 05:06 on Jun 19, 2019 |
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blastron posted:Can we please just have a series that starts with a weak protagonist who has to be clever to get through their problems and stays that way through the entire story? I want to read about harrowing near-death adventures where every advantage has to be fought for and nothing is guaranteed, not thirty chapters of “oh no I’m going to die” and then immediate ascension to godhood. There's Grimgar? And pretty much every cultivation novel at least pays lip service to the idea of the main character constantly going against powers much stronger than themselves, forcing them to secretly build their power for a few chapters before the face slapping can commence.
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Re npc gaining sentience - not a ln but you might want to try out Small Medium (https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/21597/small-medium) which had an interesting take on an npc world trying to cope with game system and players. Summary from the page re small medium - quote:Chase Berrymore dreams of adventure, excitement, and getting the heck out of her pastoral halven village.
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Yinlock posted:my dream MMO LN scenario is "npc gains sentience" Not a LN but I can help ruin your dream either way: https://tapas.io/series/NPC
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Katreus posted:Re npc gaining sentience - not a ln but you might want to try out Small Medium (https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/21597/small-medium) which had an interesting take on an npc world trying to cope with game system and players. eh the writing style's not really my bag but ty for the recommendation anyway Nalin posted:Not a LN but I can help ruin your dream either way: i should have specified "and the story is also not poo poo" Yinlock fucked around with this message at 06:18 on Jun 19, 2019 |
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https://imagecomics.com/comics/series/nonplayer plagued by problems such as issue one coming out in 2011, #2 in 2015 and there's been no sign of #3
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blastron posted:Can we please just have a series that starts with a weak protagonist who has to be clever to get through their problems and stays that way through the entire story? I want to read about harrowing near-death adventures where every advantage has to be fought for and nothing is guaranteed, not thirty chapters of “oh no I’m going to die” and then immediate ascension to godhood. Grimgar was mentioned, and I've heard that Re:Zero is basically that. If you want a more traditionally structured martial arts epic, Cradle probably counts, if only because the protagonist is in such a mad rush to reach godhood that he's pretty much always running into people and creatures vastly more powerful than him without adequate prep-time.
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Darth Walrus posted:Grimgar was mentioned, and I've heard that Re:Zero is basically that. If you want a more traditionally structured martial arts epic, Cradle probably counts, if only because the protagonist is in such a mad rush to reach godhood that he's pretty much always running into people and creatures vastly more powerful than him without adequate prep-time. re:zero is more torture porn than underdog
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re:zero isn't torture porn, imo, since it actually goes somewhere. maybe a little, and it's certainly dark, but I wouldn't file it with Goblin Slayer or anything Maybe that changes after the adapted content, though
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blastron posted:Can we please just have a series that starts with a weak protagonist who has to be clever to get through their problems and stays that way through the entire story? I want to read about harrowing near-death adventures where every advantage has to be fought for and nothing is guaranteed, not thirty chapters of “oh no I’m going to die” and then immediate ascension to godhood. https://mangadex.org/title/35069/isekai-demo-bunan-ni-ikitai-shoukougun https://www.novelupdates.com/series/its-sudden-but-i-came-to-another-world-but-i-hope-to-live-safely/
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Jackard posted:Something like this? Description: (en-US) "Comprehension" is "Stronger" than a Sword! There is no magic without any weapons! But! This is the story of a man who wishes to live safely! "So, I've come to a different world." --- That man stood alone in a mountain full of plants and creatures that he never knew nor saw before. He goes down the mountain by avoiding encounters with a big slime (and bandits), and is caught as a suspicious person in the castle he reaches. In interrogation the female knight Ilius met at the imprisoned place, when talking about the bandits seen in the mountain, Irias, who was stuck in the search for said bandits, hurriedly strikes the bandits. My wish to be a brave man, or to build a harem? "I just want to live in a safe place" - a story that such a man survives the different world with "Understanding" as a weapon! (en-AU) So this dude got ripped out of his original world and chucked up into the mountains, he's a bog-standard average gently caress with zero ability beyond the standard logic circuit. Somehow he's a Hero, though he's as weak as a bug. The only thing he gets is the ability to understand language... and he doesn't even start with it. What the gently caress happened to make him like this? I mean he has near zero magic and the only thing he can do is talk... maybe. The Other World Weak gently caress starts his journey! No harems! Just understanding what the gently caress is going on around him!
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blastron posted:Can we please just have a series that starts with a weak protagonist who has to be clever to get through their problems and stays that way through the entire story? I want to read about harrowing near-death adventures where every advantage has to be fought for and nothing is guaranteed, not thirty chapters of “oh no I’m going to die” and then immediate ascension to godhood. Someone mentioned Grimgar (though that's less "being clever" and more "being careful and diligent"). Someone also mentioned Cradle, where this description fits for the first 2-3 books (after that the protagonist finally reaches a level where he can engage in fights directly, but having gone through several books being weak makes it feel like more of an accomplishment). Successful Businessmanga posted:I don't have the quote immediately to hand, but Yrsillar has said as much about Renxiang's inspiration in the original Forge of Destiny thread. There's a small scattering of mentions as to who is a reference to what if you go digging around. One thing I realized recently that may or may not be intentional is that Ji Rong has a similar aesthetic to Killua, with being a guy with a short/compact build who uses electricity and now has techniques to turn himself into electricity. We'll have to see if he starts using a yo-yo as a weapon. Avulsion posted:Sun Liling fights in clothes made out of her blood and leads an insurrection against the student government. There are several inspirations there I think. A lot of stuff doesn't fit the Ryuko comparison (she is very clearly and directly stronger than Cai Renxiang and looks very different), and as someone said her appearance is very similar to female Ranma, and she also has Gae Bolg from F/SN for some reason lol It's kinda funny when those things show up in FoD; I'd normally be annoyed at that sort of thing, but the author has shown himself fully capable of creating original characters/abilities so it's just kind of interesting when they pop up
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Tiriganiaq posted:(en-AU) I hope more series get an en-AU description.
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Nalin posted:I hope more series get an en-AU description. I would rather get en-AU translations.
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Elephant Parade posted:re:zero isn't torture porn, imo, since it actually goes somewhere. maybe a little, and it's certainly dark, but I wouldn't file it with Goblin Slayer or anything like half of each arc is dedicated to the protagonist dying horribly and having mental breakdowns
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The breakdowns are at least different and result in different types of character growth, and in the fourth arc there's a ton of neat plot stuff interspersed throughout. In arc 4 I think the frequency of deaths is a lot lower than the earlier arcs; I remember multiple times when I expected him to die and restart, but it kept going for much longer. Though there is one seriously uncomfortable to read death (anyone who has read it will probably know what I'm talking about - the rabbits). I'm looking forward to the anime adaptation, because arc 4 is some seriously top tier stuff IMO. I haven't read arc 5 yet, aside from the first handful of chapters, so I don't know how it compares.
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Tiriganiaq posted:Somehow he's a Hero, though he's as weak as gently caress. Fixed.
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With respect to FoD, how much of a quality difference is there between the OG story and the version on RR? I understand that the version on RR is supposed to be a bit more polished and I'm interested in reading more but not as much if the version on RR is significantly improved.
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Nemo Somen posted:With respect to FoD, how much of a quality difference is there between the OG story and the version on RR? I understand that the version on RR is supposed to be a bit more polished and I'm interested in reading more but not as much if the version on RR is significantly improved. When I switched I didn't mind. The biggest thing to get used to is the forum format, but you can also look at some of the arguments that decided which direction would be taken and the dice rolls are embedded which makes combat encounters make more sense.
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Argas posted:I think what makes CCG so great is the Song Shuhang is the eternal plaything of the universe. Yes he's a completely OP protagonist with broken powers and plot protection, but the world doesn't care and life can still be suffering even when you're OP. Is there a good place to read the webnovel version of this?
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AtomikKrab posted:Is there a good place to read the webnovel version of this? https://www.webnovel.com/ Unfortunately it's not a good place.
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