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Brawnfire posted:That's just the part you can see. Livingston's aquarium branches throughout the ship. It’s Picard’s secret hookup to cetacean ops
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skasion posted:Jellico dismisses Riker because he thinks that Riker is unambitious, complacent. In the first conversation they have, he comments on Riker’s good but not brilliant place in the Academy, and makes reference to the fact that Riker has turned down a command of his own to remain in his present post. Their confrontation in part 2 reveals that there’s also just a total clash of personalities between the two — Riker is a much more casual person who will never be comfortable with Jellico’s formality and rigidity — which was already evident in the fact that Riker failed to accomplish the first order Jellico gave him, the shift change, instead bringing it back to Jellico with excuses for his failure. I think this confirms Jellico’s initial impression of Riker, which is that he’s temperamentally unfit for purpose. Yeah, I just think the entire conflict is really uncharacteristic of both Riker and Jellico. Riker, despite his discomfort with Jellico's command style, should have had no issue as a Starfleet officer in carrying out the order to change the shift schedule; likewise Jellico, as an experienced captain who is intensely interested in effectively utilizing the skills of his crew, should have had no issue in recognizing Riker's strengths in the short-term and getting over their command differences during a time of crisis.
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Jun 19, 2019 19:25
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Drone posted:I'm drunk and watched TNG Chain of Command recently for the first time in about 15 years, so imma do a retrospective on Captain Edward Jellico. This is an extremely good post which I 100% agree with but for some reason I can't help but find it extremely funny given Styles is your avatar. Not a comment on you, just a great happenstance.
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Jun 19, 2019 19:27
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skasion posted:It’s Picard’s secret hookup to cetacean ops "Whisper this warning to the dolphins, Livingston" says Picard, quietly. "The ship has been taken over. K-k-kreaak-k and her comrades are our only hope.". With a swish of its tail, Livingston departs to deliver his message of dire import.
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Jun 19, 2019 19:28
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Orv posted:This is an extremely good post which I 100% agree with but for some reason I can't help but find it extremely funny given Styles is your avatar. Not a comment on you, just a great happenstance. Look whatever man, Styles is just misunderstood. Await my epic redemption of his character (the next time I'm drunk)  Edit: and if whoever made this amazing avatar is listening, I'd love a higher-res version that fits better with the current version of the SA forum software. I think I've had this for like 8 years now.
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Jun 19, 2019 19:28
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Kibbles n Shits posted:I've probably said this before in the thread but Jellico's best feat was putting Troi in a standard uniform. Hell yes. Even ignoring how much more sense it makes from a character perspective, the bridge looks so much better with at least one character in the standard blue uniform. It just looks like ketchup and mustard in the first five seasons.
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Jun 19, 2019 19:29
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we need a Star Trek version of the Pet Avengers. Livingstone, Spot, Porthos, Sisko's baseball, and Janeway's coffee mug and of course, the most iconic pet companion of TOS, Pavel Chekov
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Jun 19, 2019 19:32
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Jellico's negotiation strategy is basically alpha dog bullshit and he only saves Picard because he gets lucky.
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Jun 19, 2019 19:36
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Kurr de la Cruz posted:He also got rid of the fish in Picard's ready room too, didn't he? I always thought it was really hosed up putting such a big fish in such a tiny enclosure. Stewart agreed and hated having it there.
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Jun 19, 2019 19:36
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Brawnfire posted:"Whisper this warning to the dolphins, Livingston" says Picard, quietly. "The ship has been taken over. K-k-kreaak-k and her comrades are our only hope.". With a swish of its tail, Livingston departs to deliver his message of dire import.
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Jun 19, 2019 19:37
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AlBorlantern Corps posted:Jellico's negotiation strategy is basically alpha dog bullshit and he only saves Picard because he gets lucky. Drone posted:Jellico's solution is novel and, at the risk of displaying my cultural bias, extremely reminiscent of 20th century American realpolitik. AlBorlantern Corps posted:alpha dog bullshit Drone posted:20th century American realpolitik
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Jun 19, 2019 19:43
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Naomi Wildman is probably the most successful child character in the franchise. Her rapid aging aside, the fact that her actress is actually not just passable, but good, her enthusiasm being realistic, and her not being treated as a prodigy just because (she's smart and talented but you get the sense she's earned it), and her reacting like an actual child would to certain situations is what ultimately sells her. The bit where she thinks simply talking to Seven got her assimilated is both hilarious and instantly endearing.
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Jun 19, 2019 19:51
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Drone posted:Look whatever man, Styles is just misunderstood. Await my epic redemption of his character (the next time I'm drunk) (I swear this is the last time but) Styles actually shows up in Best TOS Novel Prime Directive where Scotty finally gets to break his stick, it's great. He is... not, but I can hear his voice in my head whenever I read it so that actor did a tremendous job with his five lines.
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Jun 19, 2019 19:55
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I was always a little surprised a swagger stick was considered acceptable for a Starfleet captain. Imagine Picard with one, or Sisko. (You're picturing Janeway holding one, aren't you, pervo?) It's so bizarre.
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Jun 19, 2019 20:02
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Orv posted:(I swear this is the last time but) Styles actually shows up in Best TOS Novel Prime Directive where Scotty finally gets to break his stick, it's great. He is... not, but I can hear his voice in my head whenever I read it so that actor did a tremendous job with his five lines. Third best line of Star Trek III (after "I. Have had. Enough. Of. Youuuuu" and "Don't call me tiny") is "Incredible machine." Edit: Star Trek III is the movie that is least deserving of the old stigma of odd-numbered Trek movies being bad, fite me I need to get back on my little project of reading and reviewing all the old lovely TOS novels, I'm still stuck in the late-seventies and it's a fuckng slooooog.
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Jun 19, 2019 20:02
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Brawnfire posted:I was always a little surprised a swagger stick was considered acceptable for a Starfleet captain. Imagine Picard with one, or Sisko. (You're picturing Janeway holding one, aren't you, pervo?) It's so bizarre. Janeway can't hold a cane, her hands are too busy being on her hips or holding a coffee mug
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Jun 19, 2019 20:06
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Drone posted:Third best line of Star Trek III (after "I. Have had. Enough. Of. Youuuuu" and "Don't call me tiny") is "Incredible machine." Search for Spock is good though? Now if you wanna have a chat about The Final Frontier I will go to, through and beyond the mat. E: Unrelated, is there some weird licensing thing (paging Timby) that's preventing all of the Star Trek having places from carrying 4 and 6?
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Jun 19, 2019 20:39
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Orv posted:Search for Spock is good though? Literally saying this, yes.
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Jun 19, 2019 20:41
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END CHEMTRAILS NOW posted:And then one day, Jellico arrives on the ship. "Ah Livingston, my old nemesis." Jellico: From hell's heart, I stab at thee *fumbles around the aquarium's edges* Jellico: How the gently caress do you open this thing
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Jun 19, 2019 20:47
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davidspackage posted:Jellico: From hell's heart, I stab at thee Computer, beam the fish into space
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Jun 19, 2019 20:49
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Drone posted:Literally saying this, yes. Oh okay now we're fighting.
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Jun 19, 2019 20:53
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Drone posted:Literally saying this, yes. I agree, the 2-3-4 trilogy is good. 3 gives us the best Starfleet ship and makes Klingons into Klingons.
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Jun 19, 2019 20:55
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Kurr de la Cruz posted:He also got rid of the fish in Picard's ready room too, didn't he? I always thought it was really hosed up putting such a big fish in such a tiny enclosure. Some fish will stress themselves to death in too large an enclosure. Betta are a good example. I don't think they ever said what species Picard's fish was supposed to be but just assume it is a Denobulan Fartfish and that's how they roll
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Jun 19, 2019 20:58
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Grand Fromage posted:3 gives us the best Starfleet ship This is a post full of good opinions.
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Jun 19, 2019 21:00
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Drone posted:This is a post full of good opinions. 
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Jun 19, 2019 21:03
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The scene in 3 where Kirk steals the Enterprise is more suspenseful than anything in any JJ Trek, and a drat amazing action scene despite the fact that it's just a couple of ships slowly floating around a mostly empty space dock. What a great scene, probably the highlight of the movie.
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Jun 19, 2019 21:07
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The Excelsior looks like a bitchy soccer mom who let herself go.
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Jun 19, 2019 21:07
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Zurui posted:The Excelsior looks like a bitchy soccer mom who let herself go. 
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Jun 19, 2019 21:09
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Kibbles n Shits posted:The scene in 3 where Kirk steals the Enterprise is more suspenseful than anything in any JJ Trek, and a drat amazing action scene despite the fact that it's just a couple of ships slowly floating around a mostly empty space dock. What a great scene, probably the highlight of the movie. The music seriously helps this. Treks 1-6 had some fantastic music. If you ignore 5.
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Jun 19, 2019 21:11
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I perceive ST3 as always having been the least-disliked of the odd-numbered Treks. At least back in the day before TMP was kind of reassessed.
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Jun 19, 2019 21:16
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III is great, it just looks a little worse than II and the tension and villain are kind of a come-down in comparison to it. But it's got so much god drat heart and so many memorable scenes.
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Drone posted:The music seriously helps this. So true. The music in the Mutara Neblua battle sequence is my all time favorite Trek score. Back when movie soundtracks complemented what was happening on screen, and not just some canned harmonic progression that vaguely matches the desired emotion of the scene. Kibbles n Shits fucked around with this message at 21:32 on Jun 19, 2019 |
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Jun 19, 2019 21:29
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Drone posted:The music seriously helps this. What the gently caress, dude, 5 has excellent music.
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Jun 19, 2019 21:30
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Drone posted:Jellico's fine. lol reassigning what, a third of engineering to security, is just bonkers. you're getting ready for war. you've got a boatload of blueshirts that aren't doing anything else. throw 'em in the target range and hand out phasers to them.
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Jun 19, 2019 21:31
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Drone posted:The music seriously helps this. 
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Jun 19, 2019 21:31
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I hate the Excelsior, with its ugly nacelles and stupid slack-jawed deflector. It looks like a whale opening it’s gaping maw to fish for krill.
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Jun 19, 2019 21:32
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Big Mean Jerk posted:I hate the Excelsior, with its ugly nacelles and stupid slack-jawed deflector. It looks like a whale opening it’s gaping maw to fish for krill. It's a majestic creature.
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Powered Descent posted:My best guess is that they saw Disney doing it with Star Wars, and figured it was time to blow the dust off their own space fantasy franchise again. Na it isn't Star Wars, especially not the newest iteration. The real reason is that genre shows on TV have conquered the world. Think what you will about GoT for example but it managed to enter the realm of popculture popularity. I mean there is a reason why pretty much any decent fantasy and SciFi series gets picked up nowadays and turned into a TV series. After Enterprise a lot of people thought (and wrote) that SciFi (and Fantasy) will never gain mass audience appeal in the TV of "today" again and that there might not be a place for it with just a niche audience. That's afterall why people were also very sceptical about the mentioned GoT and to be honest, it's not like it started with super crazy numbers. It was certainly a success from the beginning but the super wide appeal had to develop which goes to show that the "problem" was never the genre. A mediocre and maybe just a "good" TV show might be limited to only a niche audience but there is now proof that the genre doesn't limit how popular you can get, if anything I think escapist narratives (which both SciFi and Fantasy can provide) have inherently the potential of a mass audience appeal. In that context... if any movie franchise is a factor in that discussion then it's the whole Marvel universe because Super Hero movies used to be even more niche than SciFi/Fantasy and yet it became the most successful movie franchise while Star Wars is mainly coasting on its name at this point. Sadly the same is true for ST when it comes to movies and so far also in the TV realm. I really hope ST: Picard has a story to tell and its own identity but it also can't be disputed that they are banking on pure brand (name) recognition once again with the move to bring Picard back.
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If we're going to argue about ships, I have to say that the constitution refit is still like the best of them all, though I certainly wouldn't kick the excelsior out of the spacedock
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The Search for Spock was the first Star Trek movie I saw, of course I loved it. The only truly bad one is Nemesis. All the others have something redeemable about them that makes them rewatchable.
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