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Proud Christian Mom posted:Russia and Iran have only been theory crafting how to sink a carrier battle group for decades Yeah but Russia's been doing their damnedest to sink their own CVBG for the last few years and only managed a mission kill so far.
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Jesus gently caress. https://twitter.com/desiderioDC/status/1141905155417395201
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WAR CRIME SYNDICAT posted:I have idiots on my Facebook ready to go to war over a loving drone. It's almost like people don't think of the actual human costs of war. It's also almost like people are loving idiots. Can you ask them how many drones equal an A300?
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facialimpediment posted:Jesus gently caress. That drone had family
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facialimpediment posted:Jesus gently caress. That would explain why there was a flurry of activity at work tonight.
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Jun 21, 2019 04:22
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Thank goodness Trump is a huge loving coward when push come to shove.
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Jun 21, 2019 04:26
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We are going to stumble into a stupid, bloody war with Iran eventually and it’s one that the cockroach historians that live in melted permafrost will someday identify as one we could have easily avoided by not being stupid.
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ABC's position: https://twitter.com/KFaulders/status/1141909846373089281
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holocaust bloopers posted:Thank goodness Trump is a huge loving coward when push come to shove. Don't hold you breath, I full expect to wake up to news that he announced some kind of strike VIA twitter while I sleep tonight.
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facialimpediment posted:He is constantly in a state of threatening to light a really big fuse on a really big explosive charge, and keeps dropping his arm to light it, then backs off every single time. My worry is that eventually he trips and lights it by accident. To continue my metaphor, it appears that someone was smart enough to give him a really long fuse and a nearby bottle of water. Fun.
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Jun 21, 2019 04:39
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gently caress me I have 18 months til I retire......
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Jun 21, 2019 04:42
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I'm glad we didn't throw ourselves into another war but I'm not thrilled that we have yet again demonstrated that the use of our military power is an empty threat
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Its really weird this iranese posturing now. Us was the one to pull out from the nuclear deal, while eu was keen on continuing business. What does Iran have to gain from this? I aknowledge that my opinion is very tinfoil, but maybe there is some inside power struggle in iran and none of the actions in gulf have been sanctioned by the leadership? Wouldnt they have more to gain continuing to Buddy up with the eu? Disclaimer: im a dumb dumb with only superficial knowledge from the news.
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Just to play devil's advocate, what's the cost to the US of an air only campaign over Iran? Like sure, a surprising (to the media and public) number of planes go down, but what stops us from doing that indefinitely without a ground invasion that results in cargo holds full of caskets?
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Jun 21, 2019 05:07
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gently caress can the aliens just land because we're loving up too badly for the experiment to yield useful data already?
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:Just to play devil's advocate, what's the cost to the US of an air only campaign over Iran? Like sure, a surprising (to the media and public) number of planes go down, but what stops us from doing that indefinitely without a ground invasion that results in cargo holds full of caskets? There is nothing stopping Iran from shutting down shipping to and from the Gulf if we launch any kind of campaign against them.
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Fallom posted:I'm glad we didn't throw ourselves into another war but I'm not thrilled that we have yet again demonstrated that the use of our military power is an empty threat Yeah dude totally people don't respect the US military I tell ya Patrocclesiastes posted:Its really weird this iranese posturing now. Us was the one to pull out from the nuclear deal, while eu was keen on continuing business. What does Iran have to gain from this? have you been huffing glue?
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Godholio posted:Iran got ready for this poo poo after Desert Storm. After years of war with Iraq they were pretty worn out; but they saw what happened in 90/91 just like everyone else. The entirety of the list of potential US adversaries collectively gulped and started spending money. I was wondering what was the step between 1) The last time Iran fought a conventional war (if using WWI strategy and tactics, and a literal Children's Crusade in the 1980s is conventional war) was a disastrous clown-show clusterfuck. and 3) OHMYGOD the Iranian superarmy will wipe up the battlefield with us if we go to war* with them. Is there any evidence that Iran has fielded actual, modern and reliable equipment? Is there any evidence that they have restructured their upper military organization and strategic thinking, as well as their operational units' leadership and tactics? Or is the concern not so much with Iranian warfighting, but more that an IED every 100m of the 1000 km to Tehran is going to figuratively and literally bleed us dry? *still a bad, bad, idea
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Stravag posted:gently caress can the aliens just land because we're loving up too badly for the experiment to yield useful data already? its just getting interesting again for them
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Kawasaki Nun posted:Yeah dude totally people don't respect the US military I tell ya That’s not what I meant and you know it. Nobody questions that the US military can flatten anything in front of it but they sure are questioning how effectively the administration can use it. Patterns of empty threats by capricious twitter leaders ain’t it. Tiny Timbs fucked around with this message at 05:25 on Jun 21, 2019 |
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Jun 21, 2019 05:21
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:Just to play devil's advocate, what's the cost to the US of an air only campaign over Iran? Like sure, a surprising (to the media and public) number of planes go down, but what stops us from doing that indefinitely without a ground invasion that results in cargo holds full of caskets? A finite number of aircraft, for one.
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Jun 21, 2019 05:31
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joat mon posted:I was wondering what was the step between 1) They shot the drone down with a Buk system or Buk-derived system. 2) They're credibly believed to have developed a supercavitating torpedo from the Russian Shkval torpedo (this isn't terribly new but there's also not really any viable countermeasure beyond distance and hoping it misses) 3) Iran does not need to field a comparable conventional army to quickly kill/injure thousands of US sailors/airmen and land a bigger punch on the US than pretty much any adversary since that time John McCain almost sank the Forrestal. The Iranian Army and IRGC aren't supersoldiers by any measure but they aren't the palace guard corps jokers most people think of when they picture a mideast nation's military.
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Jun 21, 2019 05:36
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:Just to play devil's advocate, what's the cost to the US of an air only campaign over Iran? Like sure, a surprising (to the media and public) number of planes go down, but what stops us from doing that indefinitely without a ground invasion that results in cargo holds full of caskets? As the us continues to invest in better and better aircraft everyone continues to invest in shooting them down. I dont know if a modern stealth plane has been tested against a newish missile or radar system. Weve been smashing unguarded dirt for a long time now
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joat mon posted:Is there any evidence that Iran has fielded actual, modern and reliable equipment? Is there any evidence that they have restructured their upper military organization and strategic thinking, as well as their operational units' leadership and tactics? Well they did just test their air defense missiles against an American aircraft!  But seriously, they have absolutely modern air defense systems and coastal ASCM batteries which include the supersonic SS-N-22 and SS-N-27, plus Kilo submarines. I don't know what their ground OOB looks like, but just getting the the point of putting the Army on the ground would involve loss of aircraft like we haven't seen since Vietnam and loss of warships like we haven't seen since WWII.
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I assume an air campaign against Iran would result in a humanitarian crisis and the IRGC calling in favors against US personnel and assets around the world. The Naval support would be especially vulnerable to whatever tricks Iran has been stewing over the last few decades.
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joat mon posted:I was wondering what was the step between Iran has been studying how we fight since Desert Storm (as anyone should have been.) They understand that they can’t defeat us conventionally, so their best option is to use asymmetric warfare to make the cost of war that much higher. Think of Hizballah starting trouble in northern Israel, Hamas escalating rocket attacks in southern Israel, Saudi Arabia’s Shia’ minority in Qatif attacking oil refineries, Shia’ stirring poo poo up in Bahrain, and that’s not even taking into consideration how they could gently caress up shipping in the Gulf. Also, they likely wouldn’t have to survive a full scale invasion. All they’d have to do is wait for global public opinion to sour to the degree that the US can’t continue its campaign without serious ramifications for its relations with the EU and elsewhere. It’s not like we can’t mop the floor with conventional Iranian forces- we can for sure- it’s just that they can raise the cost of war to unacceptable levels even if it results in only a few US military casualties.
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Patrocclesiastes posted:Disclaimer: im a dumb dumb with only superficial knowledge from the news. Really should've led with this and then stopped there.
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Jun 21, 2019 06:00
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I'm honestly just wondering at what point the next Coalition of the Willing is against the US
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Just lol https://twitter.com/StefSimanowitz/status/1141068275155161089
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Kind of hope some enterprising Egyptian makes their own version of the Sinclair supercut. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWLjYJ4BzvI
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Fallom posted:I'm glad we didn't throw ourselves into another war but I'm not thrilled that we have yet again demonstrated that the use of our military power is an empty threat Why should the US threaten military action when their spy plan is shot down in Iranian airspace? And why would you be mad that his didn't happen....
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The iranese have sent an invasion force into pakistan. Aljazeera.com: Millions of locusts from Iran have invaded Pakistan. https://www.aljazeera.com/ajimpact/millions-locusts-iran-invaded-pakistan-190620070741559.html Lol. Iranese.
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Yeah Im ESL and had just woken up when I made the post. Shouldve probably left it at the Im a dumb dumb lol
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joat mon posted:I was wondering what was the step between I don't think anybody believes that Iran can win a conventional war with the US, only that the fight to destroy the Iranian armed forces will be much more bloody than the war against Iraq, and that the subsequent occupation will make Afghanistan look like a walk in the park.
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https://twitter.com/HansNichols/status/1142006406033395713
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I like how the thread is slowly siding into acceptance.
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