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Liquid Communism posted:Or given Harriezzer's obsessed with PopSci, just huck him off-planet and forget he ever existed. It's a big universe, after all.
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DACK FAYDEN posted:and his sex life heyoooo A subject I dearly wish I knew less about.
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Chapter 117: Something to Protect: Minerva McGonagall It's the next day. McGonagall announces to the school that Dumbledore is gone, Voldemort is dead, Quirrell's dead, Hermione's alive, and - in front of the whole school - that the parents of several current students were death eaters and are now dead. You'd think she might want to break that news individually, but I guess not. And Harry feels bad about that. Eliezer Yudkowsky posted:And because Harry had read his father's science fiction and fantasy collection, because he had already read this scene a dozen times over when it happened to other protagonists, there was an image in Harry's mind of Mad-Eye Moody, of the scarred man called Alastor. And Mad-Eye's image was saying, in just the same voice he'd used to speak to Albus Dumbledore in memory, that the Death Eaters had been pointing their wands at Harry, that they had already chosen to take the Dark Mark, that they had been guilty of sins beyond reckoning and maybe beyond Harry's imagination, that they had foregone the deontological protection of good people and made themselves targetable if there was a strong reason to sacrifice them. That it had been necessary to save Harry's innocent parents from torture and Azkaban, that it had been necessary to protect the world from Voldemort. That plain old ordinary Aurors and judges had to do much more morally questionable things than killing sworn and blooded Death Eaters who were pointing wands at them, in the course of carrying out ordinary justices that were less clear-cut but still necessary to society. If it were not right to do what Harry had done, if it were not right to do much more morally ambiguous things than what Harry had done, then society as human beings knew it could not exist. Nobody with common sense would blame Harry for doing it, Neville wouldn't blame him, Professor McGonagall wouldn't blame him, Dumbledore wouldn't blame him, even Hermione would tell him it had been the right thing to do once she knew. Five chapters to go. How are there still five chapters to go?
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# ? Jun 20, 2019 06:06 |
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Oh, I thought this was the last chapter for some reason. This has been an incredibly long ride and I think I understand Yud even less now.
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# ? Jun 20, 2019 09:45 |
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Anil Dasharez0ne posted:A subject I dearly wish I knew less about.
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# ? Jun 20, 2019 12:34 |
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DACK FAYDEN posted:I was fully prepared for this spoiler to not be nearly as funny as it was, oh my god that's literally perfect
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# ? Jun 20, 2019 14:11 |
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Xander77 posted:Do I want to know? Their toxic shithole of a subculture had a massive loving #metoo moment last year. Here's a twitter thread on the abusiveness to be found in the LessWrong/Effective Altruism/MIRI cult. Women = "math pets". They've tried cleaning house a bit, but mostly act like it's the victims' faults for being crazy bitches u kno edit: here's the /r/sneerclub thread. Content warning: discussion of rationalist abusers. divabot fucked around with this message at 17:40 on Jun 20, 2019 |
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Yeah, the broader context of "the Rationalist Community™ is a predatory sex cult" isn't actually funny, but "Eliezer Yudkowsky gets off on making women do math problems" is.
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# ? Jun 20, 2019 18:59 |
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Anil Dasharez0ne posted:"the Rationalist Community™ is a predatory sex cult" . I disagree that is actually pretty funny
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# ? Jun 20, 2019 19:31 |
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Everything's funny if you're not the victim, I guess.
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# ? Jun 20, 2019 21:02 |
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Tunicate posted:I disagree that is actually pretty funny I mean, the whole thing was kicked off in support of a woman who killed herself with the express intent of using her suicide as a weapon against sexual abusers in the rationalist community. Maybe a little respect.
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# ? Jun 21, 2019 06:29 |
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I always cringe a little when people assume Yudkowsky and co must be bitter weirdo virgins because it turns out they're a very different and more toxic kind of pest.
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# ? Jun 21, 2019 09:07 |
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Stroth posted:I mean, the whole thing was kicked off in support of a woman who killed herself with the express intent of using her suicide as a weapon against sexual abusers in the rationalist community.
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# ? Jun 21, 2019 12:20 |
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Almost as sad as the fact that there are people in the world who would say "I would literally rather be abused and kill myself than not be a chud" and mean it.
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# ? Jun 21, 2019 12:24 |
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Cardiovorax posted:Almost as sad as the fact that there are people in the world who would say "I would literally rather be abused and kill myself than not be a chud" and mean it.
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# ? Jun 21, 2019 12:26 |
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The most disturbing thing about this is that it tacitly acknowledges that "SJWs" would stand against that kind of treatment and then still rejects it as a matter of partisan principle. It's literally the opposite of rational.
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# ? Jun 21, 2019 12:31 |
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At least Yudkowsky was helpful enough to warn us all that this was coming with his OKCupid profile. Reminds me of an effortpost I did earlier in the thread about another Harry Potter cult that turned lethal. Darth Walrus fucked around with this message at 17:02 on Jun 30, 2019 |
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"Though I'm also cool with trophy collection, if you only want to sleep with me once so you can tell your grandchildren."
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# ? Jun 30, 2019 17:58 |
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You almost have to admire that kind of ego. I don't think I've ever met another person so utterly convinced of his own importance without literally anything at all to their name.
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Chapter 118: Something to Protect: Professor Quirrell It's Quirrell's funeral and people wanted Harry, an eleven-year-old child, to give the eulogy but he declined. So instead they have a teenager do it. Eliezer Yudkwosky posted:"Professor Quirrell was very sick," the tall boy said, his wavering voice falling into a hush of students, occasionally broken by a muffled sob. "I think if Professor Quirrell had been able to fight in the fullness of his power, You-Know-Who couldn't have beat him easily, and maybe not at all. They say that David Monroe was the only one that You-Know-Who was ever afraid of, in his day. But," Oliver's voice broke, "Professor Quirrell wasn't in the fullness of his power. He was very sick. He had trouble walking by himself. And he went to face the Dark Lord, alone." Eliezer Yudkwosky posted:"Professor Quirrell told us at the beginning of this year that what he taught us would always be our firm foundation in the arts of Defense. And it will be. Forever. We'll teach it to the new students next year, no matter who we have for a professor. The older students will teach the younger ones. That's the solution to the curse on the Defense position. We won't sit around waiting for authority to teach us. And we'll make sure that Professor Quirrell's teachings never die out of Hogwarts."
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Tiggum posted:Why is the story not over yet? What is left to say at this point?
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# ? Jul 2, 2019 19:18 |
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Notice me, Wizard Hitler-senpai!
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# ? Jul 2, 2019 19:33 |
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I have to admit, the idea that the Defense Against The Dark Arts Professor position is cursed so you learn from them and then the students teach themselves is kind of clever. That could be good in the right authorial hands.
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DACK FAYDEN posted:I have to admit, the idea that the Defense Against The Dark Arts Professor position is cursed so you learn from them and then the students teach themselves is kind of clever. That could be good in the right authorial hands. It's what happens in the 5th book with Dumbledore's Army. Unless
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# ? Jul 3, 2019 02:11 |
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Doctor Spaceman posted:It's what happens in the 5th book with Dumbledore's Army. (but mostly because Yud never read the books)
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# ? Jul 3, 2019 13:47 |
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It would be pretty funny if half the poo poo that happens in the later novels is because everyone was teaching themselves defense and therefore their own accursed DADA teacher by default.
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Cardiovorax posted:It would be pretty funny if half the poo poo that happens in the later novels is because everyone was teaching themselves defense and therefore their own accursed DADA teacher by default. That'd be the kind of dick move that would make the curse effective, but Quirrelmort is a rather extreme example of "actually the best teachers must be abusive sociopaths who secretly know what's best". Say what you will about Snape, at least the text acknowledged that he's a godawful teacher because he's such an rear end in a top hat.
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# ? Jul 3, 2019 16:16 |
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Well, it's pretty obvious that Quirrelmort reflects the type of super-intellectual sociopathic Nietzschean Übermensch Yud wants to think of himself as being, rather than the petty conman and cult leader he really is. When any given individual of the scientific demigod types that he so earnestly worships from a distance would curl their lips at him in contempt the moment they find out what kind of person he really is, I suppose "I am so awesome and unemotional that I do not care about the feelings of anyone else" sounds like the kind of superpower he'd really want for himself. It's understandable, in a pathetic kind of way. Cardiovorax fucked around with this message at 16:46 on Jul 3, 2019 |
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Cardiovorax posted:Well, it's pretty obvious that Quirrelmort reflects the type of super-intellectual sociopathic Nietzschean Übermensch Yud wants to think of himself as being, rather than the petty conman and cult leader he really is. I mean, most rambling Mary Sue epics only have one author insert character who always wins, not two.
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# ? Jul 3, 2019 23:03 |
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Which I assume is where the reveal that they're actually the person somehow comes from, lol.
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# ? Jul 3, 2019 23:07 |
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divabot posted:I mean, most rambling Mary Sue epics only have one author insert character who always wins, not two. Something can't give Frodo a lightsaber without giving Sauron the Death Star something
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YaketySass posted:Something can't give Frodo a lightsaber without giving Sauron the Death Star something you can't give Mary Sue a sparklypoo sabre without giving another Mary Sue a magical death star
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# ? Jul 4, 2019 06:25 |
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〰️ Albert Einstein
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Chapter 119: Something to Protect: Albus DumbledoreEliezer Yudkowsky posted:"How - how's Hermione doing?" Harry hadn't had a chance to ask until now. The first one is all about how he's got to defeat Voldemort and the less important characters are going to be his sidekicks (even though they're adults and he's a child). The other letter is about how Dumbledore secretly listened to all the prophecies in the Ministry of Magic and hey said that Harry is going to destroy the world. Eliezer Yudkowsky posted:And so, it being clear that this world is not meant to last, I have gambled literally everything upon you, Harry James Potter-Evans-Verres. There were no prophecies of how the world might be saved, so I found the prophecies that offered loopholes in the destruction; and I brought about the strange and complex conditions for those prophecies to come to pass. I ensured that Voldemort discovered a certain one of those prophecies, and so (even as I had feared) condemned your parents to death and made you what you are. I wrote a strange hint in your mother's Potions textbook, having no idea why I must; and this proved to show Lily how to help her sister, and ensured you would gain Petunia Evans's heartfelt love. I snuck invisibly into your bedroom in Oxford and administered the potion that is given to students with Time-Turners, to extend your day's cycle by two hours. When you were six years old I smashed a rock that was on your windowsill, and to this day I cannot imagine why. And remember how Sirius Black and Peter Pettigrew are swapped around in this story, so Sirius is the bad guy and Peter's the good guy? Well Peter is also not merely an animagus but a full-on shapeshifter, and Sirius forced him to transform into a duplicate of Sirius and go to Azkaban in his place. But Sirius was one of the Death Eaters that Harry killed, so now they realise that the one in Azkaban is actually Peter and they're going to let him out. I don't know what the point of that revelation is. Harry then declares that they're going to shut down Azkaban and Hermione is going to kill all the Dementors. And he's opening a hospital where the Philosopher's Stone will be used to heal
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# ? Jul 23, 2019 15:42 |
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quote:He performed certain spells he probably ought not to have known, and declared that Hermione's soul was in healthy condition but at least a mile away from her body. At that point the senior healers gave up. quote:The Line of Merlin is... something. I don't know. Maybe I'm not paying as much attention as I could be. I don't even know if Yudkowsky made it up or if it's from the original books. Which is, of course, why he would be important in a fanfic written by a person who has never read them.
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# ? Jul 23, 2019 16:17 |
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Unbreakable vow, you say? A precocious child should have a loophole to that one figured out in a day or two, tops.
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Cardiovorax posted:. People know his name, but compared to more modern mythological figures like the Peverell brothers, he just really doesn't come up much and hasn't really done anything that still matters by the time they take place. The big stuff about Merlin in the Harry Potter universe is that he was probably the most famous (vs infamous) Slytherin, he was one of the greatest enchanters,if not wizards, of all time, he was a staunch supporter of muggle rights and there's a order of merit named after him. Hes also got a portrait in Hogwarts.
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# ? Jul 23, 2019 17:13 |
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Yeah, that's pretty much all of it, thanks for summing it up. That's what I meant with "he doesn't come up much." He has done things, but it's not plot relevant. He's important the way Charlemagne is important: you know who he was, you know vaguely what he did, but aside from the occasional mention within a historical context, he's just not relevant to your daily life. The books treat Merlin pretty much just like that.
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Chapter 120: Something to Protect: Draco Malfoy Harry tells Draco that he killed Lucius, and then McGonagall wipes his memory. I don't know what the point of that was. Then this: Eliezer Yusdkowsky posted:"Here's the last thing," Harry Potter said. "I found it in a folded parchment whose outside said that it was the last weapon to be used against House Malfoy, telling me not to read any further until the whole war hung in the balance. I didn't want to tell it to you before because I thought it might prejudice your decision unfairly. If you were a good person who never killed or lied, but you had to do one or the other, which would be worse?" ¹The amnesiac is Draco's mum. McGonagall is not Draco's mum.
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Tiggum posted:Chapter 120: Something to Protect: Draco Malfoy You know how some apologies/confessions are much more for assuaging the conscience of the wrongdoer, not for showing genuine contrition nor setting up an authentic attempt at repairing any damage? Such performative apologies are also typically for forcing the onus of forgiveness onto the aggrieved or injured party. Well this confession appears to be most of that, although with no expectation of forgiveness (memory wipes mean never having to face the music*!!), so it's just Harriezer executing this absolution-granting ritual of confession with zero consequences that make it mean anything. But I bet Harriezer feels better for having done it -- and that's what matters, since he is the godhead protagonist / authorial player character. *It's not like the Harry Potter universe would include a villain who would memory wipe all sorts of people in order to steal credit for their accomplishments and to escape accountability for his own actions! Surely the Methods of Rationality Apocrypha, viz. the actually-published Harry Potter books, would never include such a Gilderoy Lockhart type of character.
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