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The other thing about beto was we were willing to overlook at lot of his flaws during the senate race because it would have been so loving out there if he'd won. he kinda got worked by ted cruz. And not even republican primary ted cruz; this is metabolic syndrome obese ted cruz.
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Majorian posted:They do exist, they're just a very, very, VERY small minority. But they're a minority that the mainstream media and the Clintonistas latched onto as convenient scapegoats for Hilldawg's inability to inspire anyone. Warren would have beaten Trump in 2016, I think. Too many people remembered the 90s and Hillary's shenanigans over the years. Hillary's not the least bit genuine and is like a robot pantomiming emotions. Warren is further left, but far less offensive as an individual. But whoever gets the nomination this time is up against an incumbent, so good luck beating Trump if the economy is doing well. There are certainly clear chinks in the armor but a lot of the more extravagant warnings about Trump from 2016 haven't come to pass.
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Klobuchar messing up her already-awful catchphrase was enjoyable to me. (Nothing gets people pumped like REFINANCING!) Her policies are sub-Hillary but more than that, she really rubs me the wrong way; I think I actually like her less than even Biden. At least Biden has the skeletal remains of what was once charisma. Klobs is nothing but “vote for me; some Trump voters did!”
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Mellow Seas posted:Klobuchar messing up her already-awful catchphrase was enjoyable to me. (Nothing gets people pumped like REFINANCING!) Her policies are sub-Hillary but more than that, she really rubs me the wrong way; I think I actually like her less than even Biden. At least Biden has the skeletal remains of what was once charisma. Klobs is nothing but “vote for me; some Trump voters did!” She manages to be bpth aggressively smug and somehow also obviously without self confidence, it's amazingly terrible. She has no business being above state level politics.
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Mellow Seas posted:Klobuchar messing up her already-awful catchphrase was enjoyable to me. (Nothing gets people pumped like REFINANCING!) Her policies are sub-Hillary but more than that, she really rubs me the wrong way; I think I actually like her less than even Biden. At least Biden has the skeletal remains of what was once charisma. Klobs is nothing but “vote for me; some Trump voters did!” You might say she’s all foam and no beer!
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Jun 27, 2019 15:00
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Skippy McPants posted:The moderators maybe, but I'd expect at least a couple of the other candidates to go hard at him. With Sanders and Warren already polling well, the best way for a lot of them to gain ground is to try and chip away some of his liberal boomer support. I’d imagine Bernie might take a few swings at Biden but I think he just needs to keep doing what he does best: differentiate himself from the field by pushing his superior policies and consistent record. I think Harris could really attack Biden hard for all of the racist poo poo he’s done. She really needs to elevate her standing and she stands to gain the most IMO, and attacking Biden is a perfect avenue for that.
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Jun 27, 2019 15:02
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LLCoolJD posted:but a lot of the more extravagant warnings about Trump from 2016 haven't come to pass. ...literally the only one that hasn't is that the economy would self-destruct, and he's doing his best to make sure that'll happen.
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Klob getting up there and meeting each policy with something completely uninspiring is a fascinating ploy. Medicare for All? Nah, how about nothing changes. Student loan relief? Pfff, everyone knows it's refinancing that people want. Free college? Ok, I'll give you free 2-year college, but if you want a Bachelor's you better pay up, prole. Inspiring policy? I don't know if you heard, but I can win in Wisconsin!
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Zaphod42 posted:I don't get how you have universal healthcare but also keep "the private healthcare that works" ? Because unless it is Bernie we are going to get some bastardized version that is set up to fail so everyone in politics can go “Okay so we tried it, socialism and nationalized healthcare doesn’t work. Let’s go back to loving people over.”
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Of all the candidates, Booker looked like the only one who might be able to provide a substantive alternative to Biden in a more moderate lane, although he should never speak Spanish again. DeBlasio beat expectations (low as they were), Tim Ryan looks like a fine surrogate for the Midwest for the eventual nominee. O’Rourke looked physically sick the whole night, and failed to say one thing that distinguishes him.
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Democrazy posted:Of all the candidates, Booker looked like the only one who might be able to provide a substantive alternative to Biden in a more moderate lane, although he should never speak Spanish again. I expect Harris to do something similar tonight. Uhh, that is, make a run for Biden's lane, not speak Spanish.
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Skippy McPants posted:I expect Harris to do something similar tonight. Uhh, that is, make a run for Biden's lane, not speak Spanish. Moderator: Senator Harris, what is your stance on immigration policy? Harris: Yo soy.. no wait... me gusta la migra? gently caress wait hold on
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why did they speak Spanish Why It was so so bad . Talk about loving pandering in the worst possible way . Do they realize how out of touch and stupid and goober like it makes them look ? Of course not
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Jun 27, 2019 15:35
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Has this been brought up yet? https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1144216323519635456?s=21
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Jun 27, 2019 15:37
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Democrazy posted:Has this been brought up yet? the only people who read drudge are chuds, so, this is irrellevant. A poll on the drudge website that ends up picking Tulsi is just finding out which Democratic candidate old white male republicans get horniest over.
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Jun 27, 2019 15:39
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So court packing is back on the menu, and that needs to be a question tonight.
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Jun 27, 2019 15:41
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AsInHowe posted:Who was the most Jeb-like last night? De Blasio was the most Christy to Beto's solid Rubio performance. Delaney tried to be Jim Webb
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Jun 27, 2019 15:44
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Punk da Bundo posted:why did they speak Spanish It was cringey as gently caress. Here, let me waste half my time incompetently doing for the Spanish-only speakers likely watching Telemundo the very thing its interpreters are doing much better instead of actually speaking in depth to whatever question I was given.
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HootTheOwl posted:Delaney tried to be Jim Webb I think that was more Ryan with his we need to stay the course in Afghanistan to defeat the terrorists shtick. Unfortunately for him the one candidate on stage that has bathed in the blood of her enemies immediately called him out.
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Jun 27, 2019 15:51
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Democrazy posted:... Yeah, he just got paler and paler over the course of the night. I was kinda worried about him passing out by the end. I thought the lighting/makeup for some of the dudes was pretty bad -- Delaney and Booker both looked super blotchy. Anti-bald bias confirmed? My 6 y/o greatly improved the debate with frequent interpretive dance breaks, so I recommend that! In substance, Warren was the best, Booker started slow but looked better by the end, Castro was better than expected, and Beto stunk. None of the others mattered.
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Jun 27, 2019 15:52
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It's so weird their handlers don't have them handled better. There's a huge win for talking to people in Spanish when that's appropriate. If you waddled your political rear end into a town hall in a spanish-majority area and you busted out some c-level spanish, that'd make all kinds of news. Doing it on the debate stage is just incredibly out of touch in a way that that everyone knows and has already seen for years. So why do they keep doing it?
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Jun 27, 2019 15:52
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on NPR this morning they mentioned that Beto's Spanish was good enough that they didn't need to translate if for Spanish language audiences. So, big points for that.
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Jun 27, 2019 15:54
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:the only people who read drudge are chuds, so, this is irrellevant. A poll on the drudge website that ends up picking Tulsi is just finding out which Democratic candidate old white male republicans get horniest over. Yeah, but that’s what makes the poll interesting.
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Punk da Bundo posted:why did they speak Spanish Awkward pandering, for sure, but that's what these primary debates are all about. It was the same in 2016 with the GOP. Hieronymous Alloy posted:the only people who read drudge are chuds, so, this is irrellevant. It's obviously clearly skewed right, but Drudge is relatively mild in today's ultra-polarized internet. It's nowhere near Breitbart. He's a strange guy who includes more stories about sex robots than politics these days. Hieronymous Alloy posted:A poll on the drudge website that ends up picking Tulsi is just finding out which Democratic candidate old white male republicans get horniest over. Oh, I know. A poll like this on Drudge or Fox News is like asking MSNBC or HuffPo who won a Republican debate. It doesn't really tell anyone anything useful.
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Jun 27, 2019 15:59
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Love all the "woke" leftists making GBS threads on a candidate for centering an oppressed community in a debate. Seriously Beto is lovely in a lot of ways (dodging the actual question for example) but speaking Spanish in a national debate while Spanish speaking refugees are being abused in concentration camps ain't one of them.
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Gripweed posted:on NPR this morning they mentioned that Beto's Spanish was good enough that they didn't need to translate if for Spanish language audiences. I'm not giving him any points for that. You don't get points for doing something that literally everyone should be able to do, speak some other language competently. All he did was waste half his time when he did that. But yes he does speak better Spanish than Booker definitely and also I'm pretty sure Castro.
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Skippy McPants posted:The moderators maybe, but I'd expect at least a couple of the other candidates to go hard at him. With Sanders and Warren already polling well, the best way for a lot of them to gain ground is to try and chip away some of his liberal boomer support. Basically all of the more Populist candidates will go hard on Biden while the more Establishment candidates will go hard on Bernie. Both of them are in the center and both of them basically have huge bullseyes on their back as candidates try to sap polling points off of their opposition with Biden having more to tear off than Bernie.
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Democrazy posted:Has this been brought up yet? it’s The Hill and citing a “Drudge Poll” in any context is journalist malpractice so no
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Ershalim posted:It's so weird their handlers don't have them handled better. There's a huge win for talking to people in Spanish when that's appropriate. If you waddled your political rear end into a town hall in a spanish-majority area and you busted out some c-level spanish, that'd make all kinds of news. Doing it on the debate stage is just incredibly out of touch in a way that that everyone knows and has already seen for years. So why do they keep doing it? I imagine it was really targeted at white audiences, not Hispanic: to show white people that he's totally electable because he can speak Spanish and therefore presumably win over Hispanic people, and to inspire warm fuzzy feelings in the sort of people who are woke enough to feel bad about racism but not woke enough to actually get involved in the issues. I've had a couple of white people tell me that they thought it was pretty cool and heartwarming that a presidental candidate was trying to appeal to Spanish-speakers, regardless of how dumb or obviously pandery it was.
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Skex posted:Love all the "woke" leftists making GBS threads on a candidate for centering an oppressed community in a debate. You center them by answering the loving questions. Oh Snapple! fucked around with this message at 16:20 on Jun 27, 2019 |
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Zaphod42 posted:I don't get how you have universal healthcare but also keep "the private healthcare that works" ? Even in nations with Universal Healthcare, it doesn't pay for everything, or there's some sort of delay (wanting to be seen for a routine exam today rather than in a month), or there are physicians who are fine dealing with private insurance bureaucracy but not government healthcare bureaucracy. So in the gaps that exist, private insurance comes in an fills in the gaps or acts as a fast pass since those are the places they can leverage consumers for money. UHC doesn't have to suck for Private insurance to exist. It merely has to not be 100% perfect.
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Zaphod42 posted:I don't get how you have universal healthcare but also keep "the private healthcare that works" ? Generally in countries that have both, the private plans cover additional services that the state plans don't. Single bed hospital rooms rather than shared, cosmetic surgery, nonstandard or experimental treatments (chiropracty), etc.
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Politicians speaking in Spanish for extended periods and delivering full speeches in Spanish is cool and good. Beto delivering like 30 seconds of canned lines in Spanish is pandering.
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Skex posted:Love all the "woke" leftists making GBS threads on a candidate for centering an oppressed community in a debate. I think you might be confusing effectively centering the plight of oppressed people with virtue signalling. Castro taking the time to talk specifically about Oscar and Valeria was centering the issue. Naming Sandra Bland, Eric Garner, and Tamir Rice in context of people getting hosed unjustly was centering the issue. Using the opportunity to grandstand to instead speak out for those who have gone unheard is centering the issue. Performative spanish on cue is not doing that. It's blowing your own horn with an accent. To be fair to you, a lot of people don't understand what it's like to be unheard, or unseen, and so often mistake a mention for being uplifting. I think it's something you pick up when you get used as a cudgel often enough. There's strength in being legitimized, but there's a pain that comes with being marketed. That distinction is often pretty narrow. Ershalim fucked around with this message at 16:45 on Jun 27, 2019 |
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Lightning Knight posted:Politicians speaking in Spanish for extended periods and delivering full speeches in Spanish is cool and good. Right. It's 100% something he was practicing to use immediately, no matter what the question was.
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all the people on stage were regurgitating canned lines
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Democrazy posted:Has this been brought up yet? Gabbard takes one more step towards alt-right media stardom
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Hickenlooper is doing a reddit AMA: https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/c66qxi/im_john_hickenlooper_a_geologist_turned_brewer/ Hasn't actually answered any questions yet, though, since most seem to be "Why aren't you running for Senate?"
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B B posted:
same but for half the people on stage
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