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Punk da Bundo
Dec 29, 2006

by FactsAreUseless

Skex posted:

Love all the "woke" leftists making GBS threads on a candidate for centering an oppressed community in a debate.

Seriously Beto is lovely in a lot of ways (dodging the actual question for example) but speaking Spanish in a national debate while Spanish speaking refugees are being abused in concentration camps ain't one of them.

the white guy who pretends to be Latinx speaking Spanish has uplifted everybody's spirits. . .

Beto is a centrist fascist garbage dumpster fire.

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BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

Delthalaz posted:

I am not sold on Warren at all but I did like her performance and I like that she is finally clear
about medicare for all (or whatever that means to her).

The parenthetical is the problem here, shes in favor of "m4a" where that's a really loosely defined thing that doesn't really resemble m4a

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

Skex posted:

Love all the "woke" leftists making GBS threads on a candidate for centering an oppressed community in a debate.

Seriously Beto is lovely in a lot of ways (dodging the actual question for example) but speaking Spanish in a national debate while Spanish speaking refugees are being abused in concentration camps ain't one of them.

He's a fuckin Irishman who has a fake latinx nickname to help him in local politics, piss the gently caress off

Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010

B B posted:

Hickenlooper is doing a reddit AMA:

https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/c66qxi/im_john_hickenlooper_a_geologist_turned_brewer/

Hasn't actually answered any questions yet, though, since most seem to be "Why aren't you running for Senate?"

He just answered that one. He says it's because the Senate is full of debaters and dreamers, while the presidency is much more suited to a doer who knows how to get things done, like him.

So in other words, because his ego's too big.

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

Skex posted:

Love all the "woke" leftists making GBS threads on a candidate for centering an oppressed community in a debate.

Seriously Beto is lovely in a lot of ways (dodging the actual question for example) but speaking Spanish in a national debate while Spanish speaking refugees are being abused in concentration camps ain't one of them.

If it had anything to do with the question, sure maybe, but he was just spitting out some canned phrases that had gently caress all to do with what he was asked, and he still hosed them up.

Like dude did you just hop on Google translate five minutes before the debate? Six months to memorize some platitudes to recite out of the blue as soon as you were called on and that's your best rendition?

VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 17:13 on Jun 27, 2019

Delthalaz
Mar 5, 2003






Slippery Tilde

BENGHAZI 2 posted:

The parenthetical is the problem here, shes in favor of "m4a" where that's a really loosely defined thing that doesn't really resemble m4a

Yeah you’re totally right. It’s why I want to see a one-on-one Warren/Bernie debate to find out exactly what she believes.

Skex
Feb 22, 2012

The great thing about the thousands of slaughtered Palestinian children is that they can't pull away when you fondle them or sniff their hair.

That's a Biden success story.

BENGHAZI 2 posted:

He's a fuckin Irishman who has a fake latinx nickname to help him in local politics, piss the gently caress off

And you wonder why minorities look at the "left" sideways

eke out
Feb 24, 2013



https://twitter.com/ewarren/status/1144276520875319296?s=20

has bernie ever come around on the filibuster or is he still in the 'we can't kill it' camp

Punk da Bundo
Dec 29, 2006

by FactsAreUseless

Skex posted:

And you wonder why minorities look at the "left" sideways

beto isn't the left and he's rachel dolezalling it up in Texas

also Bernie is extremely popular among minorities soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, yeah.

VH4Ever
Oct 1, 2005

by sebmojo

Skex posted:

And you wonder why minorities look at the "left" sideways

Dude, are you trolling? Or do you just have your head terminally up your own rear end? The guy had no good answers the whole night and clearly whipped out the Spanish right up front, I think, in a lame attempt at pandering. I'm glad to have candidates that speak multiple languages, hell, our president barely speaks his own fluently. But knowing another language and demonstrating as such does not substitute for not having any good policies nor providing any compelling reasons to vote for you.

Skippy McPants
Mar 19, 2009

eke out posted:

has bernie ever come around on the filibuster or is he still in the 'we can't kill it' camp

I think he's still at the "it's an option on the table" stage.

But it Warren is moved into the "comply of we kill it" phase then I'd expect him to follow suit, which is awesome.

Yeowch!!! My Balls!!!
May 31, 2006

Skex posted:

And you wonder why minorities look at the "left" sideways

the critically oppressed demographic of "irishmen who pretend to be mexicans"

Mike the TV
Jan 14, 2008

Ninety-nine ninety-nine ninety-nine

Pillbug

eke out posted:

https://twitter.com/ewarren/status/1144276520875319296?s=20

has bernie ever come around on the filibuster or is he still in the 'we can't kill it' camp

He currently is ok with it, which is a sane option considering that he's a member of the Senate that Mitch currently leads. imo.

eke out
Feb 24, 2013



Mike the TV posted:

He currently is ok with it, which is a sane option considering that he's a member of the Senate that Mitch currently leads. imo.

the thing is, i would like to know what he would do if he is governing and has 50 democrats in the senate but not anywhere close to 60

Skex
Feb 22, 2012

The great thing about the thousands of slaughtered Palestinian children is that they can't pull away when you fondle them or sniff their hair.

That's a Biden success story.

VH4Ever posted:

Dude, are you trolling? Or do you just have your head terminally up your own rear end? The guy had no good answers the whole night and clearly whipped out the Spanish right up front, I think, in a lame attempt at pandering. I'm glad to have candidates that speak multiple languages, hell, our president barely speaks his own fluently. But knowing another language and demonstrating as such does not substitute for not having any good policies nor providing any compelling reasons to vote for you.

No I'm not trolling, I'm trying to point out that piling on a lovely candidate for reaching out to marginalized groups in their own language is a bad look for a group that is supposed to be about solidarity and a stupid and frankly unleftist move, Dog him out because he dodged the question not because he dodged it in Spanish ffs. How is this so loving hard to understand?

Condiv
May 7, 2008

Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

With love,
a mod


Isn’t it odd skex that no-one’s blasting Castro for speaking Spanish? I’d guess that’s because Castro actually knows the language worth a drat and wasn’t using some memorized lines in Spanish to pander

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

Skex posted:

No I'm not trolling, I'm trying to point out that piling on a lovely candidate for reaching out to marginalized groups in their own language is a bad look for a group that is supposed to be about solidarity and a stupid and frankly unleftist move, Dog him out because he dodged the question not because he dodged it in Spanish ffs. How is this so loving hard to understand?

I think Spanish-speakers are smart enough to tell the difference between someone who speaks Spanish, and someone who regurgitates poorly-memorized phrases that have nothing to do with the topic of conversation.

You sound like the kind of person who thinks waitstaff is impressed when you order "enchiladas verdes and a side of guac, por favor"

E: full disclosure, I do this

Punk da Bundo
Dec 29, 2006

by FactsAreUseless
Beto was just like , born to be in it , man . Trump es...uh...muy gordo...


Nailed it, Beto .

Skex
Feb 22, 2012

The great thing about the thousands of slaughtered Palestinian children is that they can't pull away when you fondle them or sniff their hair.

That's a Biden success story.

VitalSigns posted:

I think Spanish-speakers are smart enough to tell the difference between someone who speaks Spanish, and someone who regurgitates poorly-memorized phrases that have nothing to do with the topic of conversation.

You sound like the kind of person who thinks waitstaff is impressed when you order "enchiladas verdes and a side of guac, por favor"

E: full disclosure, I do this

Do you know for a fact that he regurgitated poorly memorized phrases? I don't speak Spanish so I don't know, I assume that actual Spanish speakers will know whether or not he does rather than making an assumption based on my own personal feelings about the man and his politics and leave it up to them to make judgement rather than pretending that I know what their judgement should be.

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Condiv
May 7, 2008

Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

With love,
a mod


Skex posted:

Do you know for a fact that he regurgitated poorly memorized phrases? I don't speak Spanish so I don't know, I assume that actual Spanish speakers will know whether or not he does rather than making an assumption based on my own personal feelings about the man and his politics and leave it up to them to make judgement rather than pretending that I know what their judgement should be.

A bunch of latinx and spanish speakers in the thread have already stated as much skex

Yeowch!!! My Balls!!!
May 31, 2006

Skex posted:

Do you know for a fact that he regurgitated poorly memorized phrases? I don't speak Spanish so I don't know, I assume that actual Spanish speakers will know whether or not he does rather than making an assumption based on my own personal feelings about the man and his politics and leave it up to them to make judgement rather than pretending that I know what their judgement should be.

flawless pivot from "this is why minorities don't trust the left" to "actually I don't know poo poo about the thing I'm discussing"

VH4Ever
Oct 1, 2005

by sebmojo

Skex posted:

No I'm not trolling, I'm trying to point out that piling on a lovely candidate for reaching out to marginalized groups in their own language is a bad look for a group that is supposed to be about solidarity and a stupid and frankly unleftist move, Dog him out because he dodged the question not because he dodged it in Spanish ffs. How is this so loving hard to understand?

What if he dodged it by using Spanish as a shield? How is this so loving hard to understand? That's what he did. Tantrum about it all you like.

theblackw0lf
Apr 15, 2003

"...creating a vision of the sort of society you want to have in miniature"
Didn't realize Bernie and Warren's friendship goes back that far

https://twitter.com/_waleedshahid/status/1144272542619885569

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

Beto is finished.

Skex
Feb 22, 2012

The great thing about the thousands of slaughtered Palestinian children is that they can't pull away when you fondle them or sniff their hair.

That's a Biden success story.

Condiv posted:

Isn’t it odd skex that no-one’s blasting Castro for speaking Spanish? I’d guess that’s because Castro actually knows the language worth a drat and wasn’t using some memorized lines in Spanish to pander

No one is bashing Castro because the never saw him as a threat to Bernie, I promise you if Bernie had "regurgitated poorly-memorized phrases that have nothing to do with the topic of conversation" in a debate the same people making fun of Beto would be praising Bernie for it. This is pure confirmation bias at work. You dislike Beto so you view everything he does negatively, you like Bernie so you give him the benefit of the doubt. It's normal natural human behavior but don't loving pretend that it's rational or reasonable.

Punk da Bundo
Dec 29, 2006

by FactsAreUseless
Lmfao at anybody , ever , viewing Beto the centrist fascist as threat to Bernie .

Mellow Seas
Oct 9, 2012
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!
I wasn’t really impressed by any of the Spanish stuff but it’s not for me so I’ll leave it to its intended audience to decide whether it was a good idea (or well executed) or not.

But was Beto really reading canned lines? (Again, I’m not in a position to know.) Considering where he’s from and that he was essentially named by an ambitious father to pander to Latinx voters, I would think he would be fluent. Surprising that he’s not.

Skex
Feb 22, 2012

The great thing about the thousands of slaughtered Palestinian children is that they can't pull away when you fondle them or sniff their hair.

That's a Biden success story.

VH4Ever posted:

What if he dodged it by using Spanish as a shield? How is this so loving hard to understand? That's what he did. Tantrum about it all you like.

Then I leave it to Spanish speakers to decide how they feel about it rather than trying to project my own animus on the matter, I don't like him because he completely dodged the question (among other things) and that's enough for me not to vote for him, besides it's been clear for months that he's not getting the nod so it really doesn't matter.

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

Skex posted:

And you wonder why minorities look at the "left" sideways

He's literally pandering you psycho

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

lol no we'd all make fun of any candidate that out of nowhere answers a question with lovely spanish in response to the first question, about taxes.

Yeowch!!! My Balls!!!
May 31, 2006

Skex posted:

No one is bashing Castro because the never saw him as a threat to Bernie, I promise you if Bernie had "regurgitated poorly-memorized phrases that have nothing to do with the topic of conversation" in a debate the same people making fun of Beto would be praising Bernie for it. This is pure confirmation bias at work. You dislike Beto so you view everything he does negatively, you like Bernie so you give him the benefit of the doubt. It's normal natural human behavior but don't loving pretend that it's rational or reasonable.

i'll be real and said I was briefly concerned back when he launched.

that concern has long since evaporated. for reasons you saw brutally demonstrated, on national television, last night.

Condiv
May 7, 2008

Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

With love,
a mod


Skex posted:

No one is bashing Castro because the never saw him as a threat to Bernie, I promise you if Bernie had "regurgitated poorly-memorized phrases that have nothing to do with the topic of conversation" in a debate the same people making fun of Beto would be praising Bernie for it. This is pure confirmation bias at work. You dislike Beto so you view everything he does negatively, you like Bernie so you give him the benefit of the doubt. It's normal natural human behavior but don't loving pretend that it's rational or reasonable.

Castro’s more of a threat to bernie than Beto is. Especially after last night’s performance.

Are there any other baseless accusations you’d like to make about unnamed posters in the thread?

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

Skex posted:

Do you know for a fact that he regurgitated poorly memorized phrases? I don't speak Spanish so I don't know, I assume that actual Spanish speakers will know whether or not he does rather than making an assumption based on my own personal feelings about the man and his politics and leave it up to them to make judgement rather than pretending that I know what their judgement should be.

drat this is a solid pivot from "you're the real racists" to "look I'm not saying"

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

Skex posted:

Then I leave it to Spanish speakers to decide how they feel about it rather than trying to project my own animus on the matter, I don't like him because he completely dodged the question (among other things) and that's enough for me not to vote for him, besides it's been clear for months that he's not getting the nod so it really doesn't matter.

Why can't you leave criticizing other posters to Spanish speakers too?

How can you claim to be all neutral about Beto yet so god drat certain that everyone else is wrong to mock him?

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747
https://twitter.com/First_Dog_USA/status/1144067534372691968?s=19

This is what you're defending

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

Skex posted:

Do you know for a fact that he regurgitated poorly memorized phrases?

Yes.

It was comprehensible, but mixing up noun gender is a pretty basic error, like come on. If he was speaking extemporaneously and actually answering the question then it wouldn't be a big deal, but since what he was repeating had nothing to do with the question he was asked, jfc get it right.

Mellow Seas posted:

But was Beto really reading canned lines? (Again, I’m not in a position to know.)

they were platitudes that had nothing to do with the question he was asked

I doubt he just decided to come up with non sequitors off the cuff for no reason

VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 17:56 on Jun 27, 2019

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

Gatts posted:

Because unless it is Bernie we are going to get some bastardized version that is set up to fail so everyone in politics can go “Okay so we tried it, socialism and nationalized healthcare doesn’t work. Let’s go back to loving people over.”

that's what I meant by "unless it sucks" which yeah is gonna happen

Condiv
May 7, 2008

Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

With love,
a mod



I really hate the Twitter pet accounts for candidates in general in this primary, but this is just amazingly disgusting, sad, and petty

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

Lightning Knight posted:

Politicians speaking in Spanish for extended periods and delivering full speeches in Spanish is cool and good.

Beto delivering like 30 seconds of canned lines in Spanish is pandering.

Yeah, I'm usually all for Spanish (gently caress y'all, hablo Español no problemo) but it did sound pretty canned and dorky.

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Solkanar512
Dec 28, 2006

by the sex ghost

ReidRansom posted:

I'm not giving him any points for that. You don't get points for doing something that literally everyone should be able to do, speak some other language competently. All he did was waste half his time when he did that.

But yes he does speak better Spanish than Booker definitely and also I'm pretty sure Castro.

How in the gently caress do you expect literally everyone to be fluent in multiple languages when at best such education shows up for maybe an hour/day for a year or two in high school?

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