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Calibanibal posted:As a gamer I think I have a special appreciation for Warren's eloquence,
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Ytlaya posted:The thing about the debates is that I'm not sure if what most of us perceive as good performances actually translates to broad support and electoral success. If I'm being completely honest, I generally don't like listening to Bernie much in debates/speeches (though I support him because he's just better on the actual issues* and has a history that makes him the most reliable and trustworthy advocate for those issues), and my "gut" response is better to the debate performance of someone like Warren or Harris. But I don't think that sort of "well-spoken in the sense that it'd get you a good grade on a school project or convince a business to purchase your services as a consultant" thing necessarily appeals to the public in general. It appeals to me because I did things like take AP courses in high school, so I learned to have a positive gut reaction to things that are phrased "eloquently," but that isn't true for most Americans (and it's probably a good thing it isn't, since that stuff is largely just upper/upper-middle class affectation). I don't thing "wins" and "losses" really mean much in debates. That's silly scorekeeping us nerds do. But I do think debates result in "gains" and "losses." Biden had a loss tonight. He was hurt and looked bad in a meaningful way. Harris had a gain. She showed herself as a good fighter and made herself Biden's equal. How that affects polls and support, I don't know, but debates are narratives and shows and those are the narratives coming out of this.
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Bernie was a bit weak on the raising taxes admission. He needs to frame it differently. That should have been a softball question. Also the healthcare question he fumbled about how are we going to do this. These questions should literally be easy peasy for Bernie no excuses
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I think Bernie's problem is that he's better at single-target dps, when he really needed to spec for aoe tonight.
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sexpig by night posted:she literally went on about how Trump has harnessed fear and hate and poo poo and she'll beat him by harnessing love, and love is more powerful. It was amazing, she's peak Weird Aunt and I love her. Someone should tell this loving moonbat that it wasn't love that beat the Nazis the first time, and it won't be what beats them again. The Red Army didn't run on love 
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Captain Invictus posted:I'm on break atm at work, how did the second debates go Bernie did not significantly impress or gently caress up, Harris publicly murdered Biden on stage, her body cam was off, and the grand jury is refusing to indict.
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Tibalt posted:Criteria for 2nd round of debates: I'm part of another forum where they looked at the donors and polling, and if you took April 28 to June 28 polls, Biden/Buttigieg/Harris/O'Rourke/Sanders/Warren are locks for the September debate, Booker is very likely to make it, Klobuchar has tailed off a bit, and Yang/Castro/Gabbard are the only other ones with a pulse. The others are DOA
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Jun 28, 2019 04:22
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Captain Invictus posted:I'm on break atm at work, how did the second debates go Kopmala won, Bernie tread water, Biden exploded, Mayor Pete was killed by a noname, and Marianne Williamson threatened the president of the United States with a spirit bomb on national television.
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Jun 28, 2019 04:23
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The knives were going to come out for Bernie or Biden regardless, and Biden made himself look like a way easier target.
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Jun 28, 2019 04:23
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if Joe Biden wasn't Joe Biden I'd feel kinda bad for how sad and confused he looked after Harris broke him over her knee
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Professor Skittles posted:Bernie was a bit weak on the raising taxes admission. He needs to frame it differently. That should have been a softball question. Also the healthcare que fumbled about how are we going to do this. These questions should literally be easy peasy for Bernie no excuses it is weird because he answered it perfectly in 2016: your healthcare saving will far outstrip any tax increase. and it felt like he was trying to get that out but the words just didn't happen right
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Mooseontheloose posted:Take his federal war chest, run for Senate. Yeah. Pete (and Beto) probably still has enough positive that they if they bow out gracefully and make some friends they might have a future somewhere, even maybe in 2020. But if they repeat this stuff in debates that don't have crazy crystal ladies and John Delaney then they might walk away with nothing.
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Jun 28, 2019 04:23
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Biden is literally Sad Jeb all over again.
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sexpig by night posted:if Joe Biden wasn't Joe Biden I'd feel kinda bad for how sad and confused he looked after Harris broke him over her knee
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Captain Invictus posted:I'm on break atm at work, how did the second debates go williamson won, harris killed biden
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Chuka Umana posted:Biden is literally Sad Jeb all over again. Nah Jeb! is at least endearing on some level.
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Jun 28, 2019 04:24
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Oh my god did he break down mid debate or something? He looks like he crashed and burned super hard. If so that'd be the first good thing in the last like 36 hours
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Also, its a nerd thing and I don't expect it to be a narrative or something that haunts Bernie... but I still want to know what the gently caress "rotate the courts" means. That left an impression on me.
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Jun 28, 2019 04:24
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Holy gently caress lol stick a goddamn fork in the Biden campaign.
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Bernie hosed up a little, especially after Rachel Maddow directly quoted him in appropriate context and he called his own words "a mischaracterization of my position." Also he seemed a bit worn down and slow. Thank goodness Biden took some of the biggest hits but it wasn't a great night for Bernie.
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Jun 28, 2019 04:25
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"Old white man who does whatever the gently caress worked out fine for Trump, it'll work out fine for me!" thinks man who just told a black woman in 2019 that fighting segregation was a "local" issue.
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Majorian posted:Nah Jeb! is at least endearing on some level. Biden really was endearing standing next to Obama. It's shocking how hatable he is now.
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If you feel compelled to self-deprecate as a 'nerd' before you post your inane 'scores' or whatever... maybe reconsider the whole bit.
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Jun 28, 2019 04:25
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Biden looked like he didn’t want to be up there and he definitely pooped his pants imo. Harris and the buttman came across the best I think, bennet was the best of the alsorans by a lot. Bernie didn’t make much of an impression but he stuck to his messaging which I think plays better for him than your average bear. That line swalwell had about Biden was legit shocking but he’s not ready for the bigs yet. Warren and Castro and booker all outplayed everybody from tonight but Kamala imho
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Jun 28, 2019 04:26
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STAC Goat posted:Simone Sanders got REAL dumb lately. tbf she probably got paid extremely well to turn her brain off
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Jun 28, 2019 04:26
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By the way I'm upgrading Bernie to a 76.5% after further consideration.
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Captain Invictus posted:Oh my god did he break down mid debate or something? He looks like he crashed and burned super hard. If so that'd be the first good thing in the last like 36 hours At least twice he was in the middle of rambling, go-nowhere answers and suddenly stopped talking, declared,"My time is up" and left the moderators to awkwardly shift to another person on the stage (all of whom were regularly begging for more time/trying to talk as long as possible).
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STAC Goat posted:Symone Sanders got REAL dumb lately. I doubt it's that. She's just amoral, careerist scum like most of our political class.
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Chuka Umana posted:Biden is literally Sad Jeb all over again. https://i.imgur.com/sSnMifJ.gifv https://i.imgur.com/wcOOtj4.gifv
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STAC Goat posted:Also, its a nerd thing and I don't expect it to be a narrative or something that haunts Bernie... but I still want to know what the gently caress "rotate the courts" means. That left an impression on me. Appoint people to lower courts, and then every few years rotate them with people in higher courts.
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Biden just literally got pulled away from a rambling answer with a MSNBC reporter by his wife and just stopped mid sentence. God drat Biden had a bad night.
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Jerusalem posted:At least twice he was in the middle of rambling, go-nowhere answers and suddenly stopped talking, declared,"My time is up" and left the moderators to awkwardly shift to another person on the stage (all of whom were regularly begging for more time/trying to talk as long as possible). Solid chance Trump or whoever manages his twitter is going to incorporate that sound byte into something.
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STAC Goat posted:I don't thing "wins" and "losses" really mean much in debates. That's silly scorekeeping us nerds do. But I do think debates result in "gains" and "losses." Biden had a loss tonight. He was hurt and looked bad in a meaningful way. Harris had a gain. She showed herself as a good fighter and made herself Biden's equal. How that affects polls and support, I don't know, but debates are narratives and shows and those are the narratives coming out of this. I think this first debate was especially important since this was the first time the candidates had the chance to speak to a national audience (that aren't just giant political nerds like us), and first impressions do matter. And in that regard, Harris definitely came across as a fighter, and Biden came across as defensive and vulnerable.
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mcmagic posted:I doubt it's that. She's just amoral, careerist scum like most of our political class. No, I know. I was just you know... taking her at face value for sport. Obviously she's just fumbling terribly trying to spin Biden's gently caress ups.
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Jun 28, 2019 04:28
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HootTheOwl posted:Appoint people to lower courts, and then every few years rotate them with people in higher courts. That... doesn't seem like a good or logical or plausible thing to me.
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