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Doesnt every Fire Emblem do this in some fashion? At the beginning you always some super powerful units while your main guy is squishy
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WaltherFeng posted:Doesnt every Fire Emblem do this in some fashion? At the beginning you always some super powerful units while your main guy is squishy To a greater or lesser degree, but you can honestly get away with not using them usually. Radiant Dawn sets up the missions with the Black Knight so you're almost assuredly forced to use him.
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Jun 28, 2019 21:05
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Dr. Fishopolis posted:fwiw, there's a massive yawning chasm between 90s yuri/yaoi games/manga and mainstream, normalized portrayal of non-hetero relationships. not saying things aren't improving but this isn't a good analogy.
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Jun 28, 2019 21:20
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https://twitter.com/RPGSite/status/1144628196333301761 give it 2 more years and maybe whatever pachinko company has the rights will toss a pc port onto steam for the 20th anniversary
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Jun 28, 2019 21:22
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RareAcumen posted:People always talk about World Maps in JRPGs but the most niche game I've played recently is Disgaea 5, when's the last time you were the escort in the escort quest? Like, FF7 flashback with Sephiroth or Jade showing up in Tales of Abyss. very early game of wild arms 3 has clive doing most of the work while everyone else just kinda stands around. its actually neat since he isnt like, massively overpowered or set to level 30 or anything, the other characters just havent really come online yet. it makes sense since hes an experienced mercenary and the others are a random wanderer, a village priest, and literally just some girl.
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Jun 28, 2019 21:24
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Endorph posted:https://twitter.com/RPGSite/status/1144628196333301761 Just got to hope for some sort of Granzella/Irem situation and hope it doesn't take as long as it did for them to start making stuff.
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Jun 28, 2019 21:27
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Endorph posted:https://twitter.com/RPGSite/status/1144628196333301761 
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Jun 28, 2019 21:36
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Endorph posted:https://twitter.com/RPGSite/status/1144628196333301761 Isn't the game in one of those rights limbos where several companies own bits of the license? Edit: \/ I was thinking of the NA publisher Midway who got split into pieces after their bankruptcy. Mokinokaro fucked around with this message at 21:57 on Jun 28, 2019 |
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Jun 28, 2019 21:39
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Mokinokaro posted:Isn't the game in one of those rights limbos where several companies own bits of the license?
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Jun 28, 2019 21:40
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So a Suikoden situation then. Not a very good prospect either
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Jun 28, 2019 21:48
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RareAcumen posted:People always talk about World Maps in JRPGs but the most niche game I've played recently is Disgaea 5, when's the last time you were the escort in the escort quest? Like, FF7 flashback with Sephiroth or Jade showing up in Tales of Abyss. the chapter in mother 3 where you've just got salsa and the uncontrollable fassad is super cool for more recent stuff, xenoblade 2 starts you off with the two main antagonists as party members. and being escorted by more powerful (hopefully) npcs is a big part of ophilia and primrose's gimmick in octopath traveler
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Jun 28, 2019 21:53
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Accordion Man posted:No, the publisher just shifted to just making pachinko machines and they've been sitting on the rights ever since. Looks like Universal Entertainment (formerly Aruze) doesn't even do that any more. They run the casinos and resorts themselves.
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Jun 28, 2019 22:00
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i'd love for shadow hearts to be ported to steam because people could play it for like five minutes and remember it was kind of a lovely game
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Jun 28, 2019 22:26
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Zore posted:Hmm, I know there's quite a bit of DQ5 that does this at the beginning. There's also a few Chapters in Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn where the Black Knight shows up as a literally unstoppable powerhouse you hide your squishy single unit behing. WaltherFeng posted:Doesnt every Fire Emblem do this in some fashion? At the beginning you always some super powerful units while your main guy is squishy Wow, that's embarrassing. You're absolutely right. And I like that series too so I have no excuse for forgetting about all of Fire Emblem's Jeigans! Endorph posted:very early game of wild arms 3 has clive doing most of the work while everyone else just kinda stands around. its actually neat since he isnt like, massively overpowered or set to level 30 or anything, the other characters just havent really come online yet. it makes sense since hes an experienced mercenary and the others are a random wanderer, a village priest, and literally just some girl. I'm not doubting you but what exactly does come online mean? Is it another MMO like .Hack or something? As for your other points, I like when that's better reflected. A well known powerful mercenary being a whole level 4 always kinda sticks out to me. Looper posted:the chapter in mother 3 where you've just got salsa and the uncontrollable fassad is super cool Oh right, Mother 3, I totally forgot about that chapter! And I never got a Wii-anything so I've never touched either of those games so those examples totally went over my head. So yeah, there're examples but I just forgot about them.
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oh i just used 'come online' in the sense of 'get their main skills'. wild arms 3 is set in the wild west, no mmo stuff or anything
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Jun 28, 2019 23:22
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Accordion Man posted:No, the publisher just shifted to just making pachinko machines and they've been sitting on the rights ever since. Wasn't there one video game whose rightsholder went into something insane like winemaking?
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Jun 28, 2019 23:49
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Mokinokaro posted:Edit: \/ I was thinking of the NA publisher Midway who got split into pieces after their bankruptcy.
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Endorph posted:very early game of wild arms 3 has clive doing most of the work while everyone else just kinda stands around. its actually neat since he isnt like, massively overpowered or set to level 30 or anything, the other characters just havent really come online yet. it makes sense since hes an experienced mercenary and the others are a random wanderer, a village priest, and literally just some girl. Virginia is a youth with burning passion in an anime game, tho, making her clearly the most powerful.
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Jun 29, 2019 00:56
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Looper posted:the chapter in mother 3 where you've just got salsa and the uncontrollable fassad is super cool
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Jun 29, 2019 01:05
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Endorph posted:very early game of wild arms 3 has clive doing most of the work while everyone else just kinda stands around. its actually neat since he isnt like, massively overpowered or set to level 30 or anything, the other characters just havent really come online yet. it makes sense since hes an experienced mercenary and the others are a random wanderer, a village priest, and literally just some girl. If you're gonna consider that then all of WA4 counts since Raquel basically carries the entire party all the way through that game.
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RareAcumen posted:I'm not doubting you but what exactly does come online mean? Is it another MMO like .Hack or something? As for your other points, I like when that's better reflected. A well known powerful mercenary being a whole level 4 always kinda sticks out to me. yeah it's that the other characters' powers don't really come into their own for a while. like they're all useful in their own way, but virginia of course doesn't become an overpowered god until you have infinite Full Carrots, at which point she is your main support carry for the rest of the game, nobody else can do anything without her. gallows' power is great but in the beginning of the game Extend only really targets groups of enemies so its usefulness is overshadowed by regular summons, which anyone can do, but once you get to the midgame, buffs and debuffs become pretty swingy and he can Extend that to your entire party instead of spending four rounds giving everyone just one buff, that kind of thing. meanwhile clive is one shotting everything and then Lock On increases his damage even further, and if he gets a crit with that he'll even one shot bosses. jet's Accelerate... well. they can't all be winners
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Jun 29, 2019 01:35
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guarantee to act first is pretty good
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Jun 29, 2019 02:21
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GulagDolls posted:guarantee to act first is pretty good
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Jun 29, 2019 02:29
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not to mention that iirc using Accelerate + Sword Art with Jack would often give you some kind of secondary effect on the attacks, like status effects or aoe (or was this just in AC:F? if so then it's the one thing it did right lol). plus the buff spells are percentage-based, so casting spd up on Jet gave him so much speed that nothing in the entire game could ever outrun him, and that was by lv30
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Jun 29, 2019 02:33
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Iirc jet gains attack power when using accelerate so his gun gets more power behind It
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The White Dragon posted:not to mention that iirc using Accelerate + Sword Art with Jack would often give you some kind of secondary effect on the attacks, like status effects or aoe (or was this just in AC:F? if so then it's the one thing it did right lol). plus the buff spells are percentage-based, so casting spd up on Jet gave him so much speed that nothing in the entire game could ever outrun him, and that was by lv30
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Merilan posted:Iirc jet gains attack power when using accelerate so his gun gets more power behind It i guess, but bonus% attack power is really only good when you have a howitzer like clive (iirc jack's manual attack is stronger than rudy's too, so it's noticeable there too of course). barely noticeable when you have a pea shooter like jet, and you can't even chain it into a full gatling.
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iirc jet's shotgun had a decent enough to-hit that you could just spend money on atk upgrades and bullets, at which point an attack boost per bullet became noticable. He's never gonna be clive but he's a reliable shooter most of the time
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Jun 29, 2019 04:36
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Yeah it's not the most amazing Force action compared to the others still
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woah woah woah. jet does NOT use a shotgun. jet & virginia have 'arcs' just like the game does...and i dont mean character arcs. virgina starts out as the item thrower basically but if you spec her right she can do a lot of burst damage besides his emergency ohshit button [that he does grow of] with the right rune setup he will demolish most random encounters/steal maybe. clive's no good for that if you want to keep hp high cause he's always gonna go last. in boss battles he basically just fills gaps and uses replay on clive though...
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Jun 29, 2019 05:01
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any game that starts with a mexican standoff has my vote
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Jun 29, 2019 05:04
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wild arms 3 is cool in how it actually ties gameplay and plot together, yeah. i love all the goofy gags with janus's gang and their combo attack, and how often janus loving off makes his sidekicks completely useless.
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I really need to get around to play Wild Arms 3, I've had it for so long. I do remember hearing that there's a good joke where you fight a bunch of generic fantasy knights and you absolutely wreck them because they brought swords to a gunfight.
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I love those dudes because they roll up like "Yes, it is us, the legendary knights you have been hearing about all this time!" and the party is just like "Huh?" because they've literally never been mentioned before.
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Jun 29, 2019 05:20
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wild arms 3 has a ton of great jokes. i love gallows getting constantly chewed out by his grandma every single time the party swings by his village. dude just cant catch a break
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Jun 29, 2019 05:35
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maybe if gallows wasn't such a gently caress up his grandma wouldn't have to slap him so much
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honestly gallows is less of a fuckup than jet
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i sympathise with gallows going 'nope' to his village tradition really after cecilia and tim it's fun to have a guardian-type character go "actually, nah" even if he winds up being roped in by virtue of the plot
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i like that his little brother is actually into the traditions and the game doesnt really portray either of them as wrong or right even if the game dunks on gallows a fair bit the whole subplot isnt really super important outside of loredumps but its a way more interesting dichotomy than if the traditions were awful and gallows was rebelling against an unjust system or if his brother was pure and noble and gallows had to learn to be less selfish. its more just a bunch of stuff that works for one of them but not the other. feels more true to life. ig gallows does have to grow up a bit over the course of the game (funnily since hes the second oldest party member) but it feels mostly unrelated to his decision to leave.
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