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Nodosaur posted:I remember reading about how Masuda was hospitalized during the development of RSE. This is the guy they're saying doesn't care about the quality of the franchise or its games. As somebody who had to deal with software development, I can confirm that high effort garbage exists.
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Not saying it doesn't. But nevertheless, the end result is being made to say quite a lot about his character and justify the harassment he's getting.
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Jun 30, 2019 06:45
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Nodosaur posted:Yeah, people are trying to catch Masuda in a lie, or make it out like they haven't been improving move animations at all, while at the same time ignoring the ones that are actually improved. All I did was describe how Corviknight's Megahorn was an improvement over the last gen's version. Its not just that the idea of trading the number of pokemon for improved graphics "isn't worth it" (it isn't in my opinion, but its certainly fine if others feel differently), its that the argument that Game Freak offered of "we spent so much dev time on these graphics that we couldn't port over all the Pokemon" is poo poo, and at least partially false. A. All the pokemon, mechanics and models wise, are already in the game engine, saying they would need tons of dev time to port is false. B. Even if you bought their excuse, what exactly have they spent that dev time on again? One fancy animation for one rarely used skill? If they were going to sacrifice a full National Dex for improved graphics, I'd expect the open world in the vein of Xenoblade 2, not "Hyrule Field a la N64". Its frustrating that Game Freak is acting like they've worked so hard on this and the fanbase is just ungrateful, when by every example they've shown us, they've cut corners and pared down content. If their work is so impressive that it justifies the cut content, they should show it to us, or else not act surprised that nobody buys their excuses. E: Nodosaur posted:I remember reading about how Masuda was hospitalized during the development of RSE. This is the guy they're saying doesn't care about the quality of the franchise or its games. If you think Masuda has been anything but a mouthpiece for GF since ~DPPt, you're mistaken.
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Jun 30, 2019 06:46
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Annath posted:B. Even if you bought their excuse, what exactly have they spent that dev time on again? One fancy animation for one rarely used skill? If they were going to sacrifice a full National Dex for improved graphics, I'd expect the open world in the vein of Xenoblade 2, not "Hyrule Field a la N64". Ew, please no
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Jun 30, 2019 06:47
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Andrast posted:Ew, please no Feel however you want about the game itself, but it does have a beautiful environmental design. I'm basically saying that if they'd said "We cut the number of pokemon, but the entire game world is designed like the Wild Area (with not lovely textures)", I'd be perfectly understanding. Not necessarily happy, but that tradeoff would at least sound like it makes sense.
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Jun 30, 2019 06:49
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I heard the news and went to this thread. I don’t know what I was expecting 
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Jun 30, 2019 06:51
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Annath posted:If you think Masuda has been anything but a mouthpiece for GF since ~DPPt, you're mistaken. He directed Black, White, and the Let's Go games after those so... forgive me for invoking the skeptical eyebrow as to that point and the rest of your post. Nodosaur fucked around with this message at 06:56 on Jun 30, 2019 |
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Jun 30, 2019 06:54
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Nodosaur posted:He directed Black, White, and the Let's Go games after those so... forgive me for invoking the skeptical eyebrow as to that point and the rest of your post. Nice way to sidestep my entire post. Also, a job title can mean a lot of different things. Its extremely uncommon in most games for a single creator/originator to maintain the same level of involvement in the design of individual games as a series develops. They go from a direct creation role to a broad direction/oversight role. Masuda isn't sitting at a desk designing every pokemon himself anymore, nor dictating specific game details. There are people for that now.
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Jun 30, 2019 07:07
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so what proof do you have that he didn't act as a Director in the same capacity on, let's say, B&W, as he did Diamond and Pearl. That's all I'm asking you for.quote:Masuda isn't sitting at a desk designing every pokemon himself anymore, nor dictating specific game details. There are people for that now. I'm. Not sure anyone was ever under the illusion that he did the first one, either. That'd be very silly, since he's never been credited as being part of the art department.
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Jun 30, 2019 07:10
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Nodosaur posted:Just talk about how you don't think better move animations or graphics are worth what we've lost. people have been repeating this non stop for weeks, get the gently caress off your high horse
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Jun 30, 2019 07:14
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Also no one here is sending death threats or even mentioning specific gamefreak employees beyond the people who keep Kramering in so they can wring their hands about the 'discourse' go tell Reddit or whoever the gently caress is actually doing that poo poo goddamn.
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Jun 30, 2019 07:16
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Nodosaur posted:so what proof do you have that he didn't act as a Director in the same capacity on, let's say, B&W, as he did Diamond and Pearl. That's all I'm asking you for. Its normal for the creator of any long running commercial work to have a reduced role in it as time goes on, regardless of how they are credited. Since you are the one arguing that Masuda is somehow different in this respect, I'd expect you to be the one offering evidence to support your position. If you have any, please feel free to post it, otherwise, this is turning into a derail. In other news, I've been playing a sort of all-in-one mod for Emerald that I'm really enjoying. It rolls in all the pokemon available in 3rd gen games, and distributes them in a sensible manner, including lengendaries. It also has an optional module to roll in moveset changes that were implemented in FR/LG, which is very interesting, but a little buggy with low level trainers' pokemon sometimes not having any moves, so I disabled that part.
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Jun 30, 2019 07:17
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People are not going to get off it. We live in the age of Twitter and constant rage cycling. To add to that nothing changes when people are silent about an issue. The game doesn't look impressive and it came at a cost to the number of pokemon sonehow and it doesn't add up.
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Jun 30, 2019 07:19
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Annath posted:Its normal for the creator of any long running commercial work to have a reduced role in it as time goes on, regardless of how they are credited. Since you are the one arguing that Masuda is somehow different in this respect, I'd expect you to be the one offering evidence to support your position. My evidence is that he is credited as a director on those titles. On titles where he only played a general managerial role, he's credited only as "General Producer" or Game Design-Advisor (he will sometimes have one of those titles on games where he's director too, among other things). There's also the Iwata Asks for Pokemon Black and White that has him discuss how he was personally involved in the title, with the fact that the game focused almost entirely on new Pokemon being something he was primarily responsible for. And barring that, if he's not making decisions about the general course of the game, who the hell is doing it on Let's Go, because I can't recognize anyone of equivalent role in the staff credits for those games. Nodosaur fucked around with this message at 07:31 on Jun 30, 2019 |
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Jun 30, 2019 07:26
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Honestly, what is with your constant defense of a company that refuses to do better, despite having the means?
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Jun 30, 2019 07:30
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It feels like kind of a stretch to think that there will be any like performance improvements from not every pokemon being in the game, or even that it's weird there's not. I guess there's the idea that surely this decision was made in order to improve some other aspect of the game or put extra polish in other areas, but if anything it kinda reads to me the decision was made early in development and not so that they could devote more resources elsewhere.
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Jun 30, 2019 07:31
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qnqnx posted:Honestly, what is with your constant defense of a company that refuses to do better, despite having the means? I wasn't aware that saying a person behaved in the manner of what one would expect of a director, and wasn't just a managerial figurehead, was in the same vein as anything else I've said about these games. The facts don't change just because you don't like the end result.
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Jun 30, 2019 07:33
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Nodosaur posted:I wasn't aware that saying a person behaved in the manner of what one would expect of a director, and wasn't just a managerial figurehead, was in the same vein as anything else I've said about these games. The facts don't change just because you don't like the end result. God drat are they paying you?
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Jun 30, 2019 07:34
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For_Great_Justice posted:God drat are they paying you? "He didn't do this." "The evidence implies that he did do this." "ARE THEY PAYING YOU?"
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Jun 30, 2019 07:36
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Nodosaur posted:I wasn't aware that saying a person behaved in the manner of what one would expect of a director, and wasn't just a managerial figurehead, was in the same vein as anything else I've said about these games. The facts don't change just because you don't like the end result. The facts are that GF hosed up. Masuda hosed up in particular with this ongoing PR disaster.
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Jun 30, 2019 07:38
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what the HELL does that have to do with whether or not he was personally involved with the development of Pokemon Black & White or not?
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Jun 30, 2019 07:38
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Nodosaur posted:"He didn't do this." 
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Jun 30, 2019 07:39
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Nodosaur posted:what the HELL does that have to do with whether or not he was personally involved with the development of Pokemon Black & White or not? You are the one implying that because B&W was good means Masuda is and will always be good and infallible.
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Jun 30, 2019 07:40
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Nodosaur posted:what the HELL does that have to do with whether or not he was personally involved with the development of Pokemon Black & White or not? I feel you’re trying to prove something that doesn’t even matter bro
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qnqnx posted:You are the one implying that because B&W was good means Masuda is and will always be good and infallible. I was responding to Annath saying that Masuda has only been a mouthpiece since DPPt, and when they asked for proof that their statement wasn't true, I gave it. I'm sorry if you think that being skeptical of whatever else he said isn't justfied, what, I don't know, a few posts ago, but right now, he told me the burden of proof was on me, and I'm endeavoring to give it. Nodosaur fucked around with this message at 07:47 on Jun 30, 2019 |
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Jun 30, 2019 07:44
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loving hell this started because I posted something that I felt showed why people shouldn't unjustifiably harass the man but go off I guess
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Jun 30, 2019 07:52
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Nodosaur posted:loving hell this started because I posted something that I felt showed why people shouldn't unjustifiably harass the man but go off I guess Who the hell is harassing him No one even mentioned him before you brought it up out of nowhere
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Zore posted:Who the hell is harassing him When did I ever say it was happening here??? When did I ever accuse anyone in this thread? This is my first post about it - If I was talking about people doing it here, I'd actually say "the people here". This is even on the same page as people talking about his violent death, which I completely ignored. And no one brought it up? AnArmyOfMidgets expressed a similar point on the last page, here. Nodosaur fucked around with this message at 08:03 on Jun 30, 2019 |
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Jun 30, 2019 08:01
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Zore posted:Who the hell is harassing him To be fair, there were a few people earlier discussing which pokemon they'd rather see the man killed by.
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BlazetheInferno posted:To be fair, there were a few people earlier discussing which pokemon they'd rather see the man killed by. I hope someone paints a tunnel on a big wall so that Matsuda runs chasing all the pokemon he's personally banning and hits it so hard he turns into a one dimensional pancake and then he holds up a sign that says "Guess the road is closed"
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Jun 30, 2019 08:05
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Nodosaur posted:loving hell this started because I posted something that I felt showed why people shouldn't unjustifiably harass the man but go off I guess
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Jun 30, 2019 08:07
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This whole argument sounds like a goddamn modern Seinfeld Episode. George: They took away the National Dex Jerry!
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Jun 30, 2019 08:10
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Wake me up when SwSh is out and hackers added in all the pokemon.
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Jun 30, 2019 08:18
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Eimi posted:Gardevoir like Sylveon is trans. Gallade's should also be allowed to be female too. gardevoir are trans. they're named Sirknight in japan but half of them are female
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Jun 30, 2019 08:36
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and now the same will apply to Sirfetch'd
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Jun 30, 2019 08:39
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Y'all ever wonder how Pokemon like Gengar and Golem and Steelix evolve in the wild?
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Jun 30, 2019 08:41
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Nodosaur posted:Y'all ever wonder how Pokemon like Gengar and Golem and Steelix evolve in the wild? Gengar can't evolve ya silly billy
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Jun 30, 2019 08:46
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Nodosaur posted:Y'all ever wonder how Pokemon like Gengar and Golem and Steelix evolve in the wild? adoption
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Nodosaur posted:Y'all ever wonder how Pokemon like Gengar and Golem and Steelix evolve in the wild? They trade themselves for each other via mass annual migrations, clearly.
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less laughter posted:adoption I was not aware that Pokemon adoption involved exposure to high amounts of electromagnetic radiation.
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