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Fiedler posted:there's some insanity that prompts executives in charge of an os monopoly to perpetually fund development of a replacement for it 
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Google is developing Fuchsia because Linus is an rear end in a top hat and monolithic kernels were a mistake.
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Jul 2, 2019 04:56
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there must be a real reason for fuscia, somewhere, even if it is just a founder's whim it's too expensive a project with too few real-world applications to slide by this long
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my fav weird detail of fuschia is that Flutter is the first class UI framework which means loving Dart has a shot of living on somehow what a long weird road that language has had
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:there must be a real reason for fuscia, somewhere, even if it is just a founder's whim microsoft spent a decade and hundreds of millions of dollars building midori - an entirely new operating system that was completely incompatible with win32. they created a new variant of c# and development tools specifically for midori. then they disbanded the teams and threw it all away.
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Jul 2, 2019 06:22
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:there must be a real reason for fuscia, somewhere, even if it is just a founder's whim yeah, the reason is they're going to move Android off of Linux
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Fiedler posted:microsoft spent a decade and hundreds of millions of dollars building midori - an entirely new operating system that was completely incompatible with win32. they created a new variant of c# and development tools specifically for midori. then they disbanded the teams and threw it all away. microsoft spent decades under incompetent management
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Jul 2, 2019 06:37
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pseudorandom name posted:yeah, the reason is they're going to move Android off of Linux that does seem like a probable fantasy driving the expensive initiative
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Jul 2, 2019 06:37
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:microsoft spent decades under incompetent management just one decade
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Jul 2, 2019 06:39
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:microsoft spent decades under incompetent management the microsoft defender has logged on
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:there must be a real reason for fuscia, somewhere, even if it is just a founder's whim
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Jul 2, 2019 07:27
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Fiedler posted:microsoft spent a decade and hundreds of millions of dollars building midori - an entirely new operating system that was completely incompatible with win32. they created a new variant of c# and development tools specifically for midori. then they disbanded the teams and threw it all away. the value proposition of midori was still more clear-cut than it is for fuchsia though, it at least amounted to somewhat novel research (mostly supplanted by rust now though). the real strange bit is why all research os's end up named after colors.
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Jul 2, 2019 08:52
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mostly a reference to the blue/pink disaster from Taligent/Apple, named after the colors of the index cards they wrote the OS designs on. why they would want to harken back to that disaster, nobody knows
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Jul 2, 2019 09:01
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Suspicious Dish posted:mostly a reference to the blue/pink disaster from Taligent/Apple, named after the colors of the index cards they wrote the OS designs on. why they would want to harken back to that disaster, nobody knows apparently it really is an intentional reference too wikipedia posted:Some of Apple's personnel and design concepts from Pink and from Purple (the original iPhone's codename)[5][6] would resurface in the late 2010s and blend into Google's Fuchsia operating system. Intended to envelop and succeed Android, its open-source code repository was launched in 2016 with the phrase "Pink + Purple == Fuchsia".[7] even accounting for the purple part it is not possible to pick a more cursed name, imo. pink (taligent) was, in hindsight, incredibly doomed in every possible way (blue turned out relatively all right, but that's because the blue cards were just unambitious updates to old school macos. blue became system 7.)
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Jul 2, 2019 09:47
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Can't wait for Google to announce OpenDoc 2.0
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Suspicious Dish posted:Hi! @gpuweb https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qImHuiYnVQ0
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BobHoward posted:even accounting for the purple part it is not possible to pick a more cursed name, imo. pink (taligent) was, in hindsight, incredibly doomed in every possible way was roz ho in charge of it, though?
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Jul 2, 2019 15:20
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BobHoward posted:apparently it really is an intentional reference too the successor to taligent was even more cursed than taligent workplace os didn't even have a userspace api. it was just "microkernel all the things." it had (extremely slow) os/2, aix, and os/400 personalities the only one that was ever released as a product was workplace OS w/ os/2, aka "os/2 for ppc". it was horrendously slow and no one was asking for os/2 on ppc to start with also jfs for linux was derived from the workplace os aix personality, so i guess that is technically the longest-lived portion of the pink/taligent/workplace fiasco
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Jul 2, 2019 15:55
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nope ICU is from Taligent
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also Kent Beck based his Smalltalk unit testing framework—the one from which all modern testing frameworks derive, though most by way of JUnit—on the one he used at Taligent
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Jul 2, 2019 19:10
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Sounds like another horror caused by Taligent then
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Jul 2, 2019 19:27
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i just saw kent beck, he's p funny and apologized for working at facebook and ruining democracy
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Jul 3, 2019 02:17
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quote:MATLAB is the BMW sedan of the scientific computing world. It’s expensive, and that’s before you start talking about accessories (toolboxes). You’re paying for a rock-solid, smooth performance and service. It also attracts a disproportionate amount of hate.
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Jul 3, 2019 19:39
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ouch, that’s pretty cruel to Julia also missing R, Mathematica, and granddaddy MACSYMA
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Jul 3, 2019 19:49
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i guess octave = geely ge?
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Jul 3, 2019 20:21
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NihilCredo posted:i guess octave = geely ge? knockoff bmv from some former ussr republic
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Jul 3, 2019 20:25
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matlab is horrific. say what you want about python but it’s a million times better than R, S, SAS, M, octave. Julia is a joke as well which is I guess an apt analogy with Tesla.
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Jul 3, 2019 20:49
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matlab is fuckin insane in both good and awful ways
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Jul 3, 2019 20:57
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the andrew ng mooc for machine learning is in octave and i'd never wish that on anyone
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Bloody posted:matlab is fuckin insane in both good and awful ways
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Jul 3, 2019 21:07
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Julia is probably the biggest joke of a language with any name recognition at all. yes more so than javascript and go
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Jul 3, 2019 21:25
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Bloody posted:Julia is probably the biggest joke of a language with any name recognition at all. yes more so than javascript and go It's trying to fill that niche that some people will insist exists between Pythons numpy and ???
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pseudorandom name posted:Google is developing Fuchsia because monolithic kernels were a mistake. osx is the only one i can think of in any sort of widespread use and even that uses a hybrid model. the fact that thread libraries like freeRTOS are considered microkernels is a joke, right? if you want to do anything useful with it you still statically link it all together and make calls directly to the various stacks.
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Boiled Water posted:It's trying to fill that niche that some people will insist exists between Pythons numpy and ??? there is totally a niche for "what if numerics and data science had a good language" but holy poo poo Julia ain't it
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Boiled Water posted:It's trying to fill that niche that some people will insist exists between Pythons numpy and ??? fortran - a ton of people in academia/science-related fields still use it
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Source You're Quotes Imagine thinking the ire that MATLAB draws is "disproportionate", holy hell
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I have a severe case of stockholm syndrome for Intersystems Cache and even I think MATLAB is a huge turd of a language
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Vomik posted:matlab is horrific. no lang has anything on r if we talk about package ecosystem for math-adjacent thing Boiled Water posted:It's trying to fill that niche that some people will insist exists between Pythons numpy and ??? numba/cython
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Harik posted:ignoring the part I agree with, that's a pretty strong statement. microkernels have been great for toys or research projects, but not so much in the real world. qnx
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also the Horizon micro kernel OS as used on the Nintendo 3DS and then the Switch
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