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quote:During Ashley’s 12 years, the club’s infrastructure has not been enhanced to a meaningful extent. It was something Benítez thought vital. “When I came to Newcastle, they gave me the plans for the new training ground, I was talking to the architect about changing a few things,” he says, smiling now. “And after three years . . . they painted the walls. they're such a pack of cunts quote:“Newcastle is what they’ve had since they were kids. They must continue to support it. Their commitment, their passion has been so good for me. I tell them ‘thank you very much, you are in my heart’. Hopefully they will be successful and, you never know, maybe we will see each other again in the future.” 
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kcer posted:I think someone mentioned it briefly here but he's got rangers so far hosed regarding merchandising that for every £10 spent on their merch, the club as it is now only gets 14p Sadly this is untrue and they were getting 4% not 1.4% https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/feb/04/rangers-sports-direct-formal-notice-end-joint-venture-dave-king-letter However Dave King has hosed rangers because he tried to be clever when they were attempting to get out of that 7 year deal, and by accident granted Ashley the right to have their merchandising forever as long he matched whatever deal they could get from anyone else. https://www.lawinsport.com/topics/a...rangers-fc-case in short Raffles posted:Mike Ashley owns imo
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This is a really good read. Arsenal has been completely mismanaged financially by Wenger and Gazidis.
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can't blame him https://twitter.com/GeorgeCaulkin/status/1146017039221481473?s=20
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Jose posted:can't blame him https://twitter.com/NUFCThreatLevel/status/1146016158916718593 lol, just lol
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the clubs official response is that those training facilities haven't stopped anyone signing for the team so why bother upgrading them i forgot about these https://twitter.com/garethblackwood/status/1146019470047109122?s=20
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Raffles posted:quite fitting for a bin man club drat, rinsed
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Vegetable posted:This is a really good read. Arsenal has been completely mismanaged financially by Wenger and Gazidis. What happens what a football team doesn’t invest in its football operations.
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Arsenal also hosed themselves over by buying awful players on comparatively high wages they can't get rid of like Mustafi or Jenkinson (possibly Xhaka too but I feel like he might be salvagable under Emery). And that's not even including players like Ozil or Mkhitaryan who aren't complete poo poo but aren't doing enough to earn the high wages they're being paid
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Mr Snips posted:Arsenal also hosed themselves over by buying awful players on comparatively high wages they can't get rid of like Mustafi or Jenkinson (possibly Xhaka too but I feel like he might be salvagable under Emery). And that's not even including players like Ozil or Mkhitaryan who aren't complete poo poo but aren't doing enough to earn the high wages they're being paid It’s kind of amazing how poorly the last ten or so years have gone for them business-wise. They made a massive gamble in the Emirates, and it didn’t pay off for a lot of reasons. At the same time, Wengy embarked upon his youth project to steady the ship while they paid for the emirates. That blew up, twice, setting the Arsenal squad back for years. Then Wengy finally started to spend some money in a panic to save face, the scouting team was poo poo and he bought a bunch of expensive and bad players and missed out on the champions league while massively inflating the wage bill. You would think Kroenke would sink some money into the squad to protect his investment because the club is clearly headed in the wrong direction, but he’s not going to do that because he’s used to owning teams whose financial success is tied to the league they are in. Thank you, it was a nice meltdown.
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I don't think building a new stadium was a bad idea. They went from 38k seats to 60k. The place gets booked constantly for events that aren't club related. They have a huge branding deal for it. The Highbury flats was a poo poo show for awhile but I think they eventually turned it around. People have just been idiotic with the money that was available. Brought in the wrong players and paid them too much money. Everything was contingent on staying in the Champions League and it's going to poo poo when that didn't happen.
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blue footed boobie posted:It’s kind of amazing how poorly the last ten or so years have gone for them business-wise. They made a massive gamble in the Emirates, and it didn’t pay off for a lot of reasons. At the same time, Wengy embarked upon his youth project to steady the ship while they paid for the emirates. That blew up, twice, setting the Arsenal squad back for years. Then Wengy finally started to spend some money in a panic to save face, the scouting team was poo poo and he bought a bunch of expensive and bad players and missed out on the champions league while massively inflating the wage bill. kroenke is a loving idiot
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Without official crisp and bog roll partners they were entirely dependent on CL income to maintain CL-level spending. All it took was Wenger failing to qualify once and the wheels fell off.
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Vinestalk posted:I don't think building a new stadium was a bad idea. They went from 38k seats to 60k. The place gets booked constantly for events that aren't club related. They have a huge branding deal for it. The Highbury flats was a poo poo show for awhile but I think they eventually turned it around. Well at the very least it didn't work out at all as they had planned. The idea behind building the Emirates was that the club would live below their means for a few years while they paid for it and emerge with a real financial edge over the competition. But while it was being built tv revenue rose dramatically and petrol dollars came into play. And on top of that, Arsenal signed extremely long endorsement deals that were frontloaded to finance the building and ended up being extremely below market value in later years. So, by the time the Emirates payments became less burdensome it didn't provide much of a financial edge, and Arsenal had lost 5+ years of squad development, as well as the commercial opportunities that would come with actually being good.
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Wengy also seemed to believe player prices were a bubble and he was looking for value in the market, I remember a bunch of posters citing his Economics qualifications. Other teams bought players that inflated in value, he saved money that lost value. Then you add in the club being really bad at renewing contracts and getting sales in before the player leaves.
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Brendan Rodgers posted:Wengy also seemed to believe player prices were a bubble and he was looking for value in the market, I remember a bunch of posters citing his Economics qualifications. Other teams bought players that inflated in value, he saved money that lost value. Then you add in the club being really bad at renewing contracts and getting sales in before the player leaves. Arsenal literally took out short term bonds on their massive piles of cash so that they would only be negligent and not grossly negligent in their management of the club. It was the most insane poo poo ever.
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we're 100% getting relegated https://twitter.com/dpcoverdale/status/1146340944264028161
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Jose posted:we're 100% getting relegated He's far from the worst choice. Frankly they'd need someone of the quality of Rafa to keep them up.
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David Moyes is literally out of contract and available now so it could be a lot worse.
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the absolute meltdown hiring an ex sunderland manager after losing benitez would be something to see. someone recently suggested roy keane would be good for the role lol
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Jul 3, 2019 10:59
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There is absolutely positively no chance it’s Martinez simply because Ashley isn’t paying a manager’s release clause. Literally every single manager he’s hired has been out of work.
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Has Ashley spoken out or been interviewed lately as to what his "vision" is for all of this aside from trying to sell the club? At least with the Glazers while utterly repugnant, it's pretty clear they're sucking money out of the club. But Ashley consistently seems to pursue activities that actively harm being able to sell on.
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It certainly appears that Lamps to Chelsea is a done deal. https://twitter.com/Thiban_ben/status/1146478407519219713
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sticksy posted:Has Ashley spoken out or been interviewed lately as to what his "vision" is for all of this aside from trying to sell the club? At least with the Glazers while utterly repugnant, it's pretty clear they're sucking money out of the club. But Ashley consistently seems to pursue activities that actively harm being able to sell on. He’s sucking profit, sponsorship and property out of the club
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Diva Cupcake posted:It certainly appears that Lamps to Chelsea is a done deal. That dude is thiccc
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https://twitter.com/dubai_geordie/status/1148126272435949569 that'll be that then. almost exactly the same subtext as last time tried our best did everything asked of us deal isn't forthcoming both parties worked amicably
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I wonder how long it will take until China starts to develop a steady stream of European top league quality players with all this financial investment and poaching of talent from European leagues. Who's the best Chinese player at this point?
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Flayer posted:I wonder how long it will take until China starts to develop a steady stream of European top league quality players with all this financial investment and poaching of talent from European leagues. Who's the best Chinese player at this point? I assume its the guy who plays in La Liga? I think all of their other regulars play in China. And it is going to be very hard for them to develop a league that can compete financially and on the pitch. My prediction is that it eventually starts looking like the KHL (if it doesn't already), with basically like 3 flagship teams that have good players making huge money and then a bunch of of filler teams, and the whole enterprise run at a huge financial loss.
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Flayer posted:I wonder how long it will take until China starts to develop a steady stream of European top league quality players with all this financial investment and poaching of talent from European leagues. Who's the best Chinese player at this point? There was big talk about this in 2002 when they qualified for the World Cup. Seventeen years later their entire squad for their most recent fixtures was domestically based. The level of play in the Chinese Super League is very very bad. China lost to Iran, Thailand, and Uzbekistan recently(thanks Wikipedia). Their best player, as bewbies said, is a forward playing for Espanyol.
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Ozil to Fenerbahce seems to be a rumor making the rounds. God I would be so happy if this happened.
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Shrapnig posted:There was big talk about this in 2002 when they qualified for the World Cup. Seventeen years later their entire squad for their most recent fixtures was domestically based. The level of play in the Chinese Super League is very very bad. China lost to Iran, Thailand, and Uzbekistan recently(thanks Wikipedia). They supposedly have money now though. I don't even remember the Chinese league existing in 2002; I'm sure it did but nobody was going there. I think there's more substance to it now. Who knows if that will actually mean anything.
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Shrapnig posted:There was big talk about this in 2002 when they qualified for the World Cup. Seventeen years later their entire squad for their most recent fixtures was domestically based. The level of play in the Chinese Super League is very very bad. China lost to Iran, Thailand, and Uzbekistan recently(thanks Wikipedia). The good Chinese teams still lose to A-League teams even with their star players, the quality of the rest of the Chinese players is that bad
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As we see with our friends LigaMX, pumping money in to the league doesn't necessarily result in growth of your domestic talent pool.
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