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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:Magnetic tape was first used as recording in 1951. 68 years ago. Punch cards were used to program, not as data storage. So not true. I worked with a sociologist on a survey in the 1980s, and he pointed out that his data sets on punch cards lasted decades, while his data sets on magnetic tape had to be re-copied every few years because of changes in tape formats.
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Lambert posted:But even though they try their best to hide it, you can still clearly see there's only half a slice of cheese on that burger. No joke, I'm kinda sorta tempted to make a fast-food review blog that rates items based on the level of visual disparity between promotional shots, with what is actually received.
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Jul 4, 2019 16:50
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Mister Facetious posted:No joke, I'm kinda sorta tempted to make a fast-food review blog that rates items based on the level of visual disparity between promotional shots, with what is actually received. Been done like 500 times
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I love the beauty of arguing digital storage has better archival qualities than books by assuming it is also stored on paper. How can you say a book last longer when you can print code in a book?
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fishmech posted:You just posted incomprehensible garbage. Would you care to rephrase that into something that makes sense? Mah immutable datah 
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Jul 4, 2019 17:16
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Megillah Gorilla posted:Mah immutable datah Zip disks still work great today, the problem was a roughly 18 month period of bad drives being manufactured, which posed the risk of actively damaging the storage media. Because Iomega had chosen to cut costs by deleting a component specifically meant to prevent the method of destruction involved (essentially a small plastic cog that would prevent components of the magnetic heads from being knocked out of alignment in such a way that they can damage disks). Trabisnikof posted:I love the beauty of arguing digital storage has better archival qualities than books by assuming it is also stored on paper. That you still aren't getting it yet is kind of mind boggling. Once you have the digital book, you can spit it out to tons of different formats and literally all over the world. In order to do the same with a physical book, which is easy to destroy or lose, you first have to make it digital. fishmech fucked around with this message at 17:37 on Jul 4, 2019 |
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Jul 4, 2019 17:33
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Trabisnikof posted:I love the beauty of arguing digital storage has better archival qualities than books by assuming it is also stored on paper. The fact digital formats are portable enough that even if paper is the one true storage medium having something digital means you can step it down to analog copies with very little effort is also an advantage yes.
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Jul 4, 2019 17:34
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Why not have passive data refreshers included inside of storage drives
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Jul 4, 2019 17:40
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Why not have passive data refreshers included inside of storage drives What does that mean, though? Having a built-in RAID system?
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Jul 4, 2019 17:43
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fishmech posted:That you still aren't getting it yet is kind of mind boggling. Once you have the digital book, you can spit it out to tons of different formats and literally all over the world. In order to do the same with a physical book, which is easy to destroy or lose, you first have to make it digital. Even checking the wiki for “the printing press” would show you can copy a book into different formats without digitizing it first. Imagine being so computer obsessed that you think it was impossible to make copies of a book and send it all over the world before digital technology.
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:When you try to engage in good faith I will bother expanding on a quick shitpost point and any history actually using paper and tape for mainframes that will show Im the one that belongs in a museum I coded my first published game at Avalon Hill during the summer of 1980, with an Apple II that only had a tape drive. One day the tape wouldn't load. I went out and bought a "transcription quality" cassette player and got the game to load. From that point on, multiple backups. Kudos for Commodore for having a tape drive built into the PET that was pretty darn reliable. Avalon Hill shipped the game with ALL the versions on a single cassette.
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Jul 4, 2019 18:09
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Why not have passive data refreshers included inside of storage drives Lemon towelettes. e: Somewhere in a college box I still have love letters from my then-current boyfriend. On paper tape because I'd run out of storage. Betcha anything that paper tape has succumbed to the ravages of time; it wasn't expensive paper.
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Jul 4, 2019 18:12
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Trabisnikof posted:Even checking the wiki for “the printing press” would show you can copy a book into different formats without digitizing it first. That's some real galaxy brain stuff, "just manually forge a bunch of type to copy your book like it's 1587, this is a viable way to make a large volume of copies". Might blow your mind but the presses books get run on these days work from computers. Because that's a far more useful way to coordinate multinational or even mere cross country releases.
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Me, an idiot: books last for decades unless something bad happens to them, and the equipment needed to read them comes standard on most humans. Fishmesh, the smartest boy in the room: they would definitely last longer and be superior as digital punched cards because magnetic media isn't reliable, this proves my point that you should store digital copies on magnetic media.
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Magnetic media is reliable. Also Magnetic media lasts decades "unless something bad happens to them" already. Also Digital storage isn't just magnetic and has never been just magnetic in history on top of it all.
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Arsenic Lupin posted:So not true. I worked with a sociologist on a survey in the 1980s, and he pointed out that his data sets on punch cards lasted decades, while his data sets on magnetic tape had to be re-copied every few years because of changes in tape formats. My next post in reply to VideoGame Veteran shows I know that  . That will explain why it was a quick poo poo post deliberatly short on nuance but highlighing Fishmech is a bad faith posting fuckwit who had no idea mainframes have been using magnetic media since the beginning
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Jul 4, 2019 20:36
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:My next post in reply to VideoGame Veteran shows I know that And then of course you deny the ongoing use of non-magentic media in whole or in part for quite some time after the magnetic media did exist. Which is also weird.
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fishmech posted:That you still aren't getting it yet is kind of mind boggling. Once you have the digital book, you can spit it out to tons of different formats and literally all over the world. In order to do the same with a physical book, which is easy to destroy or lose, you first have to make it digital. Jesus christ this may be one of the stupidest things I've ever seen
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Unoriginal Name posted:Jesus christ this may be one of the stupidest things I've ever seen gutenbergs famous invention, the electric printer
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Sage Grimm posted:What does that mean, though? Having a built-in RAID system? you have 1 drive layered ontop of another with a slow crawl of data being moved from 1 layer to the next. Obviously eventually more power will be needed to keep the process going
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Jul 4, 2019 23:56
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:you have 1 drive layered ontop of another with a slow crawl of data being moved from 1 layer to the next. Obviously eventually more power will be needed to keep the process going That makes absolutely no sense and introduces more points of failure.
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Imagine four hard drives on the edge of a cliff...
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PT6A posted:Imagine four hard drives on the edge of a cliff... You’re in a desert walking along in the sand when all of a sudden you look down, and you see a hard drive, writing itself to a backup. You kick sand on the drive's solar panel. The drive lies there, frantically trying to seek as it gasps for power, but it can't, not without your help. But you're not helping. Why is that?
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Arsenic Lupin posted:You’re in a desert walking along in the sand when all of a sudden you look down, and you see a hard drive, writing itself to a backup. You kick sand on the drive's solar panel. The drive lies there, frantically trying to seek as it gasps for power, but it can't, not without your help. But you're not helping. Why is that? Because I'm fishmech
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I've replied in ways you people wouldn't believe. Bullshit from a liar on dead forums. I read endless replies that all bounce off my thick as gently caress skull. All those words are useless, like water off a ducks back. Time to post.
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PT6A posted:Imagine four hard drives on the edge of a cliff... RAID works the same way.
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:you have 1 drive layered ontop of another with a slow crawl of data being moved from 1 layer to the next. Obviously eventually more power will be needed to keep the process going So if a bit is lost the copy will just copy the loss? Practically, what you're describing is basically any back-up system: periodically you make a copy of the data you want to back up, and in the event of failure you default to the back-up.
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HootTheOwl posted:So if a bit is lost the copy will just copy the loss? You can never have enough copies of Loss.jpg. Some say it's often harder on the backup system.
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Mister Facetious posted:You can never have enough copies of Loss.jpg. Abortion, Retry, Fail?
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Abortion, Retry, Fail? You want the keyboard shortcut: B^U
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Whatever, everyone knows that microfiche is the truest and best storage medium. You can have your musty books! Keep your magnetic drives in the brightly lit computer labs! I will be in the basement, going over very very tiny pictures on large bulky machines.
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VideoGameVet posted:Every survivor of the Great Climate-Culling will be required to memorize a book of their choosing and teach a replacement before they die.
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VideoGameVet posted:Every survivor of the Great Climate-Culling will be required to memorize a book of their choosing and teach a replacement before they die. The Bible
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:The Bible Same except I've substituted my brother's name wherever Jesus is mentioned.
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:The Bible No one getting my clever literary reference. :-(
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VideoGameVet posted:No one getting my clever literary reference. :-( It was Fahrenheit 451.
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MickeyFinn posted:It was Fahrenheit 451. Burn!
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Boot and Rally posted:Burn! 
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VideoGameVet posted:No one getting my clever literary reference. :-( Obvuously you didnt read the book because the lilies were a reference to the bible. Montag tried to remember the words...
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Obvuously you didnt read the book because the lilies were a reference to the bible. Montag tried to remember the words... I forgot this. Read the book as a teen. The film (original) probably confused me.
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