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Infinitum posted:Not to get all 'The Authority' but if your boyfriend is Superman and you know about there's a massive camp full of children seperated from their parents you'd think big blue would do something about it The eternal conundrum of comics set in the "real world" is that if you have the hero solve a real problem it stops being the "real world". Now some comics like Miracleman run with that and turn out great, but then they stop being superhero stories and become more like science-fiction. Marvel setting all their heroes in New York made them more relatable and human, but simultaneously means they have to limit what the hero is narratively allowed to do.
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Infinitum posted:Not to get all 'The Authority' but if your boyfriend is Superman and you know about there's a massive camp full of children seperated from their parents you'd think big blue would do something about it  https://nonadventures.com/
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Jul 4, 2019 15:04
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Huh, that's a good point about her cloak making a hole in the wall.
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Jul 4, 2019 16:23
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Infinitum posted:Not to get all 'The Authority' but if your boyfriend is Superman and you know about there's a massive camp full of children seperated from their parents you'd think big blue would do something about it Husband.
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Jul 4, 2019 18:46
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reminds me of the good old times of the early 2000s comics.
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Jul 5, 2019 11:28
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galagazombie posted:The eternal conundrum of comics set in the "real world" is that if you have the hero solve a real problem it stops being the "real world". Now some comics like Miracleman run with that and turn out great, but then they stop being superhero stories and become more like science-fiction. Marvel setting all their heroes in New York made them more relatable and human, but simultaneously means they have to limit what the hero is narratively allowed to do. What about the loving Spectre? You'd think people would clean up their loving act if they knew the Spectre was around.
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Jul 5, 2019 11:40
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Nessus posted:Leave aside Superman, who you can at least semi plausibly say has made the choice to limit his short-term benefit to Earth in order to maximize his long-term benefit by not making governments his enemy. I dunno seems to me like having some kind of supreme authority confirming that heaven and hell are real would make certain people zealous monsters. I mean just take any kind of religious extremist; see how because of their belief, (either in something real or not doesn't really factor into it) their supposed "closeness" with their deity, that everything is permitted to them. So it wouldn't make people better.
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Jul 5, 2019 12:38
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Kharn_The_Betrayer posted:I dunno seems to me like having some kind of supreme authority confirming that heaven and hell are real would make certain people zealous monsters. I mean just take any kind of religious extremist; see how because of their belief, (either in something real or not doesn't really factor into it) their supposed "closeness" with their deity, that everything is permitted to them. So it wouldn't make people better. That's a good point. Classic Spectre mostly killed criminals in gruesome ways - as far as being the personification of God's wrath goes, that's a pretty right-wing take on God. His existence might actually be a talking point for the authoritarian wing of the evangelical movement.
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Jul 5, 2019 13:06
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Nessus posted:Leave aside Superman, who you can at least semi plausibly say has made the choice to limit his short-term benefit to Earth in order to maximize his long-term benefit by not making governments his enemy. "Hey, should we embezzle this money from the starving orphans?" "What are you talking about, it's money! What, you're afraid that you're going to jail? The justice system in this country is a joke!" "Nah, I'm worried that the immortal Spirit of Vengeance will horribly take me away from mortal coil and curse me to sorrow and torture forever." "Spectre? Isn't he a myth?" "Man, he was on CNN fighting some space monsters two days ago!"
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Jul 5, 2019 14:07
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DarkCrawler posted:"Hey, should we embezzle this money from the starving orphans?" More like, "Hey, should we embezzle this money from the starving orphans?" "Sure, gently caress them!" "But I'm worried that the immortal Spirit of Vengeance will horribly take me away from mortal coil and curse me to sorrow and torture forever." "lol why, it's just starving orphans. If God wanted them to live, they wouldn't be starving." "Sound logic, that!"
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Jul 5, 2019 14:32
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You know it would pretty unrealistic to assume that politics in a comic book universe would be exactly like ours. I mean the president would have to negotiate with an enovy of literal talking gorillas in DC's universe. Hell Latveria's ambassadors are most definitely all doombots.
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Jul 5, 2019 14:43
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Grendels Dad posted:More like, Hey he's the spirit of wrath, not justice
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Jul 5, 2019 14:55
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Grendels Dad posted:More like, Or, "Hey, should we engineer a debt crisis to get rich off market speculation?" "Yeah, great idea!" "But I'm worried that the immortal Spirit of Vengeance will horribly take me away from this mortal coil and curse me to sorrow and torture forever." "Nah, man, he only gruesomely murders like, mafia guys and cultists and stuff. It's fine." "Oh, okay! Cool!"
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Jul 5, 2019 15:38
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I still think it's weird that DC officially made yahweh the capital g God of that universe
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Jul 5, 2019 16:01
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site posted:I still think it's weird that DC officially made yahweh the capital g God of that universe Well, it's not like they could use Kirby.
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Jul 5, 2019 16:38
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Samovar posted:Doesn't help that she actually colluded with the latter to keep her government in power. I love the bit Frankie Boyle does about how much her funeral would cost: 'For that amount of money you could buy everyone in Scotland a shovel, and we would dig a hole so deep that we could hand her over to Satan personally ' *Audience applauds and cheers
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Jul 5, 2019 16:59
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Android Blues posted:Or, There's a scene in Punisher Max where two crooks has that same conversation about Frank Castle. Then one of them says "but what if that's no longer true?" and then they both run away.
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Jul 5, 2019 22:04
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Alhazred posted:There's a scene in Punisher Max where two crooks has that same conversation about Frank Castle. Then one of them says "but what if that's no longer true?" and then they both run away. Avulsion posted:Punisher MAX was a great book not because of the excessive violence, but because of how well it conveyed the concept that Frank Castle is not a Hero. He's a monster every bit as bad as the people he kills, sometimes worse. Killing bad guys doesn't make him one of the good guys.
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With regards to the Spectre I'm just going on the time he said "This man is innocent, don't execute him," and it was explained to him that he was tried and found guilty by the people of New York state, to which the Spectre's response was: "So you're telling me that the entire population of New York state would be responsible for his murder, are you?" They put that guy in prison for life. It wouldn't necessarily make people better, but it would be different.
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Jul 6, 2019 00:17
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"Do as I say or I will murder literally everyone in the state" ain't a great look for your movement though
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Jul 6, 2019 07:29
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very on brand for old testament God though
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Jul 6, 2019 08:20
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Yeah, The Spectre is very much his own thing and doesn't play by mortal rules.
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Jul 6, 2019 08:47
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That is metal but also  as hell
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Jul 6, 2019 09:46
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thatbastardken posted:very on brand for old testament God though I'm remembering the scene where he catches some gay-bashers and they're all "wow, it's the Spectre! Hi, Spectre! Aren't you proud of us? You're our inspiration!" Toshimo posted:Yeah, The Spectre is very much his own thing and doesn't play by mortal rules. .... is that Ben Templesmith art?
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Jul 6, 2019 15:11
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Discendo Vox posted:That shading is glorious. Who worked on this? John Totleben. Also collaborated with Moore on Swamp Thing (mostly inking Steve Bisette's pencils). Got some kind of eye disease, so he doesn't work much (or at all?) nowadays.
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Toshimo posted:Yeah, The Spectre is very much his own thing and doesn't play by mortal rules. Personally I would make fun of his Hank Hill rear end situation and laugh my way to eternal torment
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Jul 6, 2019 15:23
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Malachite_Dragon posted:"Do as I say or I will murder literally everyone in the state" ain't a great look for your movement though In the 1992 John Ostrander Spectre run, the Spectre murders the entire population of Vlatava, the fictional country Count Vertigo is from, because its civil wars and ethnic cleansings have gone on so long that he deems the entire nation to be "full of sin". It's also made canonical in that run that the Spectre destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah. So, like, yeah, things would definitely be different, but the existence of a literal avenging angel who obliterates "sinful" countries in annihilating fire would probably be a bad influence on American politics, on the whole. (It's worth noting that, at this point, the Spectre is no longer the hero of that run. The Phantom Stranger and Dr. Fate and such are teaming up to try to stop him, and the takeaway is basically, "the Spectre embodies the values of the God of the Old Testament, and that God is mercilessly cruel". There's even a flashback to the Plagues of Egypt where an ancient Dr. Fate battles the Spectre in a failed attempt to stop him from delivering the final plague and murdering all the first-born sons of the Egyptians).
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Android Blues posted:In the 1992 John Ostrander Spectre run, the Spectre murders the entire population of Vlatava, the fictional country Count Vertigo is from, because its civil wars and ethnic cleansings have gone on so long that he deems the entire nation to be "full of sin". That run was so weird and ambitious, I should really reread it one of these days. I remember the Percival Popp revamp as being very 90s but also kind of endearing.
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Parahexavoctal posted:.... is that Ben Templesmith art? Yup. https://www.comixology.com/Gotham-By-Midnight-2014-2015-5/digital-comic/204972
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Toshimo posted:Yeah, The Spectre is very much his own thing and doesn't play by mortal rules. I like how the Bat Symbol is turned on because everything is going pear shaped and someone went "HEY BATMAN! HELP!"
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Jul 7, 2019 16:23
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I'm sure Batman has a Kaiju Contingency.
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Jul 8, 2019 01:40
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Vonnie posted:I'm sure Batman has a Kaiju Contingency. Yeah, it involves getting stepped on.
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Jul 8, 2019 01:53
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Of course Bruce is a sub
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Jul 8, 2019 01:56
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site posted:Of course Bruce is a sub 
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Jul 8, 2019 01:59
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he's loving it
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Jul 8, 2019 02:07
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That's not the expression of someone who is struggling and everyone involved knew about it.
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Jul 8, 2019 03:21
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From that angle, he sees London, he sees France...
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Jul 8, 2019 03:43
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Malachite_Dragon posted:From that angle, he sees London, he sees France... It's Wonder Woman, he sees that when he's standing up.
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Jul 8, 2019 05:21
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nice Synthbuttrange posted:reminds me of the good old times of the early 2000s comics. source pleease!
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Herr Tog posted:nice Black Summer by Warren Ellis, either issue #0 or issue #1 (Avatar was doing this dumbass thing of labeling the first issue #0)
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