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Nodosaur posted:What I don't get about this "elemental imbalance in shard causes calamity in the Source" thing is... what does this mean about Bahamut? That was because of actual choices and actions undertaken by Garleans and Ascians, not something that happened in another dimension. Was that NOT an Umbral Calamity? It was not, no.
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Jul 7, 2019 05:44
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S.J. posted:Ninjas do less damage because they make everyone else hit harder. It's their thing. They do have plenty of buttons to hit though. I'm aware of Trick Attacks existence, but I think the disparity is currently a lot bigger than it was before, or at least it feels worse than it did before. I think the primary issue I have with Ninja now is the forced GCD clipping I have to do constantly due to Fuma Shuriken being nerfed.
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Jul 7, 2019 05:45
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Kongming posted:I was really enjoying the Ninja changes during the leveling experience but now that I'm level 80 I feel like I have to press twice as many buttons to do less damage than everyone else. Someone please tell me I'm doing something wrong. Nope! Trick Attack's existence means you will forever do relatively low damage. And the changes to mudras and ninki mean you better be buttoning your rear end off lest you accidentally shuriken when you meant to Hyosho/Raiton. Join me in the fields of Meisui Planning.
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Jul 7, 2019 05:46
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Captain Oblivious posted:It was not, no. Then why the hell are the Ascians involved in that business? And what about the thing we're trying to stave off now? We've already been told the Black Rose is involved in what triggers a calamity. How does the buildup of light in the First contribute to what is basically a scheme by Varis? And what about the sixth Umbral Calamity, which was set off by the actions of the kingdoms of Mhach, Amdapor, and Nym? Nodosaur fucked around with this message at 05:52 on Jul 7, 2019 |
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Jul 7, 2019 05:50
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The ascians were using him like they use and manipulate everyone else.
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Jul 7, 2019 05:51
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Nodosaur posted:Then why the hell are the Ascians involved in that business? And what about the thing we're trying to stave off now? We've already been told the Black Rose is involved in what triggers a calamity. How does the buildup of light in the First contribute to what is basically a scheme by Varis? Here's how I understood it. It's a two part scheme. They need the buildup of aether on a shard and then they need the catastrophe in the Source to create a rift large enough for the aether in the shard to be absorbed. So Bahamut and Black Rose are necessary events for the rejoining to occur.
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Jul 7, 2019 05:52
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Captain Oblivious posted:It was not, no. It was, yes. The Ascians said it was, talk about it as if it was, made fancy holograms depicting it as such, and so on. It was a Calamity that destroyed one of the Shards. Only seven worlds remain, counting the Source, and one of those is the useless, hellish Void.
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Jul 7, 2019 05:55
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Kongming posted:Here's how I understood it. It's a two part scheme. They need the buildup of aether on a shard and then they need the catastrophe in the Source to create a rift large enough for the aether in the shard to be absorbed. So Bahamut and Black Rose are necessary events for the rejoining to occur. This is pretty much right. It's also important to note that this doesn't stop the Empire from using Black Rose, it just won't be a mass extinction event because it won't be empowered by aether from the First being absorbed by the first. They can still use it as a nasty weapon.
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Jul 7, 2019 05:56
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Ironslave posted:It was, yes. The Ascians said it was, talk about it as if it was, made fancy holograms depicting it as such, and so on. It was a Calamity that destroyed one of the Shards. Only seven worlds remain, counting the Source, and one of those is the useless, hellish Void. If you can find the specific cutscene I'll believe you, but to the best of my knowledge Bahamut destroying poo poo is a case of the people labelling it as such not knowing what a true Calamity really is in metaphysical terms. It's not nearly as world shaking and there's no Global catastrophic imbalance of aether. It doesn't really fit any of the criteria we know. Bahamut's rampage was entirely localized to a fairly small region
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Jul 7, 2019 06:00
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Nodosaur posted:What I don't get about this "elemental imbalance in shard causes calamity in the Source" thing is... what does this mean about Bahamut? That was because of actual choices and actions undertaken by Garleans and Ascians, not something that happened in another dimension. Was that NOT an Umbral Calamity? The idea is that the aetherial imbalance amplifies events already in motion (that have also been orchestrated by the Ascians). The example given was the Empire's poison gas: Black Rose. On its own it's just a cruel but effective weapon for killing the empire's enemies. But when you add in the Light aether flowing in from the First, it would have become a worldwide disaster that expands far beyond the empire's control and wipes out most life on the planet. Presumably the Bahamut disaster was amplified by a simultaneous influx of Fire aether or whatever.
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Jul 7, 2019 06:02
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Didn't Bahamut's rampage cause a worldwide aetheric disturbance with side effects like literally changing the climate of all of Coerthas?
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Jul 7, 2019 06:04
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Captain Oblivious posted:If you can find the specific cutscene I'll believe you, but to the best of my knowledge Bahamut destroying poo poo is a case of the people labelling it as such not knowing what a true Calamity really is in metaphysical terms. We had Ascians, standing on a cliff, declaring "yep, the Ardor sure is going well" as Bahamut was raining down fire. You're given this cutscene before you even leave the first city. You have Minfillia explaining it to us when we first learned about the shards and the purpose of the Calamities. And when Emet-Selch is doing his demonstrative display in the Crystarium on the nature of their work, seven worlds rejoin to the Source. The seventh is a baleful Dalamud Red. The game's not been obtuse.
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Jul 7, 2019 06:05
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There are still definitely only 6 shards remaining, so if Bahamut wasn't the 7th Umbral Calamity, that implies that there was a different, even more terrible calamity, that for some reason nobody remembers or talks about ever.
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Jul 7, 2019 06:05
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Hell, Bahamut's rampage hosed up certain aetherial flows so bad it turned Coerthas from a vibrant meadowland into an eternally-frozen waste.
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Jul 7, 2019 06:08
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Also Bahamut has a cast in UCoB named "Seventh Umbral Era"
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Jul 7, 2019 06:09
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Ironslave posted:We had Ascians, standing on a cliff, declaring "yep, the Ardor sure is going well" as Bahamut was raining down fire. You're given this cutscene before you even leave the first city. You have Minfillia explaining it to us when we first learned about the shards and the purpose of the Calamities. And when Emet-Selch is doing his demonstrative display in the Crystarium on the nature of their work, seven worlds rejoin to the Source. The seventh is a baleful Dalamud Red. The game's not been obtuse. That's fair, but it is noticeably out of proportion with literally every Calamity so that is metaphysically weird. A particular kind of aether is supposed to go wild on a global scale by both Urianger and Emet-Selch's explanations and it...really didn't here. Why are all six of the others world wide apocalypses that kill millions but not this one?
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Jul 7, 2019 06:10
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Meiteron posted:An entire list of all the leitmotifs is beyond my effort in a break at work but I can get a little bit into how leitmotifs are organized in all the various pieces in the game. There are a few important ones which are constantly reused: One thing that floored me when I realized it was that this little theme that played in minor Heavensward towns: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fU2r9G_B3SQ Is, in fact, the same basic sequence used in Revenge Twofold: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ms1_fL1eJ-o
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Jul 7, 2019 06:12
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Bahumat was sealed away before he could do more damage, and even during the minutes he was free he utterly reshaped the landscape of many of Eorzeas areas ad well as utterly destroying the Sahagin breeding grounds to boot
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Jul 7, 2019 06:12
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ChaseSP posted:Bahumat was sealed away before he could do more damage, and even during the minutes he was free he utterly reshaped the landscape of many of Eorzeas areas ad well as utterly destroying the Sahagin breeding grounds to boot In theory though that shouldn't matter. By the way Calamities are described, Bahamut should have just been a catalyst for the barrier to break between Eorzea and <insert overloaded shard here>. Once that happens, whether Bahamut is locked up or not the flow should continue from <insert overloaded shard here>. Much like how the War of the Magi didn't need to keep going for the Flood to keep happening.
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Jul 7, 2019 06:14
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Just think of the Seventh as the unaspected Calamity
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Jul 7, 2019 06:16
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Captain Oblivious posted:That's fair, but it is noticeably out of proportion with literally every Calamity so that is metaphysically weird. Because of the WoL and Louisoix. That's pretty much it.
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Jul 7, 2019 06:18
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It's overthinking something that's been told to us in very direct terms.
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Jul 7, 2019 06:18
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Maybe the Shard that got rejoined was just a really small one?
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Ironslave posted:It's overthinking something that's been told to us in very direct terms. tbf this describes a lot of this thread's speculation
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Jul 7, 2019 06:29
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its crystal mom and phoenix dad
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Captain Oblivious posted:That's fair, but it is noticeably out of proportion with literally every Calamity so that is metaphysically weird. Because Phoenix/Louisoux managed to stop Bahamut dead in its tracks before things got completely catastrophic. The dragon almost glassed an entire content in under 3 minutes and poo poo would have been way, way worse if he was left to his own devices. But what he did was enough to trigger a Calamity and gently caress over one of the shards, so the Ascians aren't complaining MechaX fucked around with this message at 06:32 on Jul 7, 2019 |
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Jul 7, 2019 06:29
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MechaX posted:Because Phoenix/Louisoux managed to stop Bahamut dead in its tracks before things got completely catastrophic. The dragon almost glassed an entire content in under 3 minutes and poo poo would have been way, way worse if he was left to his own devices. Also, it's worth noting that Louisoux stopping Bahamut didn't mean the huge aetheric release didn't happen - it means two happened, and we were lucky enough that they canceled each other out this time
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Jul 7, 2019 06:31
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Kongming posted:I was really enjoying the Ninja changes during the leveling experience but now that I'm level 80 I feel like I have to press twice as many buttons to do less damage than everyone else. Someone please tell me I'm doing something wrong. You aren't wrong. 
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Jul 7, 2019 06:48
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Ironslave posted:It's overthinking something that's been told to us in very direct terms. No I'm aware that "don't think about it too hard" is the answer, but that doesn't mean it doesn't contradict their own lore. They explained how Calamities work in no uncertain terms and it doesn't fit. Most likely because at the time ARR was written they still didn't have a firm grasp on the metaphysics behind it, that was written later. MechaX posted:Because Phoenix/Louisoux managed to stop Bahamut dead in its tracks before things got completely catastrophic. The dragon almost glassed an entire content in under 3 minutes and poo poo would have been way, way worse if he was left to his own devices. But what he did was enough to trigger a Calamity and gently caress over one of the shards, so the Ascians aren't complaining Again, you misunderstand the explanation they themselves gave us. Whether the triggering event is stopped or not does not matter. The source of the cataclysm is external and always has been.
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Nodosaur posted:What I don't get about this "elemental imbalance in shard causes calamity in the Source" thing is... what does this mean about Bahamut? That was because of actual choices and actions undertaken by Garleans and Ascians, not something that happened in another dimension. Was that NOT an Umbral Calamity? You misunderstand the mechanics. The aetheric imbalance tilts towards the source and causes a rejoining when a bad thing aligns with the element of an overloaded shard. They don't cause the calamities, they just make them worse. So the Ascians went to a shard, tilted it to be aspected towards Earth aether, and then whenever anything bad happens that's Earth aligned it gets amplified an order of magnitude. Meaning an average 6 magnitude earthquake suddenly ravages the land so badly it destroys the Richter scale and completely totals a civilization, sinking the Crystal Tower and leaving nothing left on land. Or Bahamut bursts out of his shell (as planned by the Ascians) when it's aligned Umbrally (also planned by the Ascians) and suddenly he's got enough power to totally destroy Eorzea, despite being overpowered and captured trivially by the Allagans previously. Black Rose is bad juju and woulda killed a lot of people like any other powerful Garlean weapon, but when it happens while another shard is overloaded on light, it instead becomes a superweapon that grows out of control and nearly wipes out all life on the source. We could've stopped it on either end, but stopping Black Rose alone doesn't mean some other disaster couldn't have gotten turbocharged by the light alignment and rejoined the First with the Source in the process. We saw how the light alignment was already loving with things in the Burn patch, when Y'shtola mentions how the aether is unusually still and out of wack. Minera fucked around with this message at 07:03 on Jul 7, 2019 |
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Jul 7, 2019 06:59
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funkymonks posted:Post MSQ Spoilers The only thing I didn’t like was the stinger after the MSQ with Zenos. He is probably my main issue with SB and now he is going to make ShB patch content less interesting. He sucks. He looks like a creep and is a bad boring villain. His motivations are really loving stupid. Everything about him is bad. I think he's pretty great tbh.
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Jul 7, 2019 07:01
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I wasn't expecting to like dancer as much as I do. The actual dance mechanics seems right up my alley, and it seems pretty relaxed as far as OGCDs goes.
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Jul 7, 2019 07:03
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Going back to bad names chat, I started playing at the end of Heavensward and rolled a Xaela Au Ra. I just used the random name generator because I liked the Mongolian naming aesthetic. I ended up with Cirina Oronir which was cool at the time, but shits been completely stupid since Azim Steppe became a thing
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Iron Prince posted:Going back to bad names chat, I started playing at the end of Heavensward and rolled a Xaela Au Ra. I just used the random name generator because I liked the Mongolian naming aesthetic. I ended up with Cirina Oronir which was cool at the time, but shits been completely stupid since Azim Steppe became a thing This exact same thing happened to me. Though at least I didn't end up with a name belonging to one of the major npcs of the area, just one of the minor ones.
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Jul 7, 2019 07:10
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Jul 7, 2019 07:10
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okay for real though is superbolide actually useful? it seems hilariously dumb
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Jul 7, 2019 07:12
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people tell me that in organized play superbolide is amazing
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Jul 7, 2019 07:12
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S.J. posted:okay for real though is superbolide actually useful? it seems hilariously dumb It's as useful as Living Dead, in that your healer has to know what you're doing or else you could trigger a wipe.
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If you press the button when you're already low it effectively has no penalty.
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