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Cojawfee posted:Dang 3600X looking like a pretty nice deal. I can't find much comparing it to the i5 9600k besides a video where the guy compares it to a 9600k overclocked to 5Ghz and it only has like 10 more fps. Huh, why would you want the overpriced 3600X instead of the 3600 or the 3700X?
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Palladium posted:Huh, why would you want the overpriced 3600X instead of the 3600 or the 3700X? What is difference between the 3600 and the x besides 50 dollars?
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Jul 8, 2019 08:43
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Cojawfee posted:What is difference between the 3600 and the x besides 50 dollars? X Ryzens are usually binned for higher base and boost clocks and higher TDP rating compared to their non-X counterparts. Edit: Oh! I forgot, the coolers. You get Wraith Spire for the X and Wraith Stealth for non-X if that matters to you.
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eames posted:"The Stilt" posted in-depth technical info at overclock.net, the best technical review of Zen 2 I've seen so far: quote:The external power measurements (VRM DCR) revealed that the CPU was consuming significantly more power, than its power management should have allowed it to. I initially suspected that this was AMDs own doing, in an effort trying What shady poo poo is ASUS up to this time? I hope AMD is considering a public statement and/or cutting them loose, even if they are a kinda big player.
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Jul 8, 2019 10:11
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sauer kraut posted:What shady poo poo is ASUS up to this time? I hope AMD is considering a public statement and/or cutting them loose, even if they are a kinda big player. Pretty much all board manufacturers do this (and have been for years), with Intel and AMD CPUs. It's very annoying, but can be disabled by manually setting things according to specifications.
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sauer kraut posted:What shady poo poo is ASUS up to this time? I hope AMD is considering a public statement and/or cutting them loose, even if they are a kinda big player. Gamers Nexus used a gigabyte board and it boosted way out of TDP spec in Blender, up to 147w with a 3900X, even with all non spec stuff (even PBO) disabled. So yeah, considering how iffy some of the BIOS are out there right now, like Hardware Unboxed burning their 3900X on a MSI board when changing LLC, I wouldn't throw ASUS under the bus yet. Also "kinda big player" is really... really understating it. They are by far the biggest motherboard maker, in both retail and OEM. e: The GN timestamp: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqQ2X1y0jvw&t=1693s Cygni fucked around with this message at 10:40 on Jul 8, 2019 |
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https://twitter.com/andreif7/status/1148170909322293248 I was going to order my 3700X today, since they're in stock, but with no word on availability of the Asrock X570M Pro4 and absolutely no competitor motherboard at all, it seems a bit pointless 
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Jul 8, 2019 12:13
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Cygni posted:Gamers Nexus used a gigabyte board and it boosted way out of TDP spec in Blender, up to 147w with a 3900X, even with all non spec stuff (even PBO) disabled. So yeah, considering how iffy some of the BIOS are out there right now, like Hardware Unboxed burning their 3900X on a MSI board when changing LLC, I wouldn't throw ASUS under the bus yet. This isn't about an unfinished BIOS, it's just one of the usual tricks mainboard manufacturers use to make their high-end boards seem better. AMD would have to throw all manufacturers under the bus for this.
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Feels very AMDy to gently caress up the review BIOS.
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Jul 8, 2019 12:22
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Isnt that exactly what they do/did on Intel platfroms too? Its usually called "multicore enhamcement" or some bullshit.
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Jul 8, 2019 12:23
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Measly Twerp posted:Feels very AMDy to gently caress up the review BIOS. We don't know if it's AMD's fault though. From what I've read on the Stilt's posting the AMD sanctioned BIOS version (0066) produces the "clean" results but motherboard vendors allegedly pushed out updates with questionable tweaks later on. Some reviewers used the AMD sanctioned BIOS, others just used the latest available (and now have a bunch of useless testing data).
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Sormus posted:Isnt that exactly what they do/did on Intel platfroms too? Its usually called "multicore enhamcement" or some bullshit. MCE is letting you do all-core boost, vs just one.
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Sormus posted:Isnt that exactly what they do/did on Intel platfroms too? Its usually called "multicore enhamcement" or some bullshit. Intel's version pushes the CPU all core clocks to the highest single core boost without regards to TDP. AMD's version as least for now raises the TDP ceiling while letting clocks to go as high as possible while staying inside said TDP.
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Anyone else play Destiny 2 and having trouble launching it? Cause I am. https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/cage36/destiny_2_does_not_work_with_new_ryzen_3000/ Every other game works fine, but Destiny just stays in the background. Got a 3700x, with a GigaByte Aorus Pro board which I updated the BIOS for already.
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GigaPeon posted:Anyone else play Destiny 2 and having trouble launching it? Cause I am. Apparently it is a known issue. Is the launcher running in task manager?
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aluminumonkey posted:Apparently it is a known issue. Is the launcher running in task manager? Destiny2.exe is, yeah. I was scratching my head on it late until the night. Felt a lot better waking up and reading that Reddit thread. GigaPeon fucked around with this message at 14:33 on Jul 8, 2019 |
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Jul 8, 2019 14:27
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GigaPeon posted:Destiny2.exe is, yeah. I was scratching my head on it late until the night. Felt a lot better waking up and reading that Reddit thread. Someone suggested running it with admin privileges. Not sure that helps or not. I'm sure a hotfix will be coming this week.
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Wow that heat density really makes me want to wait for 7nm EUV processors before reconsidering a hop on the upgrade train
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DeadFatDuckFat posted:I have no clue about x570 boards, how did you decide on that one? I haven’t touched anything outside Asus for 10+ years, my current board is a P8P67 PRO that I’ve been very happy with. I went with the WS because it’s one of the least obnoxious models (Prime isn’t too bad, the Asus article explaining all their models was a good read), ECC is a nice to have in the future and the basic out-of-band from the Realtek NIC is good to have as well as I’m throwing together this box to be a work mule in an engineering lab. I wish it had more PCIe slots for various I/O adapters and FPGA dev boards but I’ll probably be able to live with it.
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Lambert posted:This isn't about an unfinished BIOS, it's just one of the usual tricks mainboard manufacturers use to make their high-end boards seem better. AMD would have to throw all manufacturers under the bus for this. Yeah this is usual ads-on crap; I’ve always first thing gone in and clicked every single “optimization” off (on Asus boards, that’s also the physical off switches for EPUs and TPUs), and most things that claim to be “automatic”. I nudge up DRAM voltage very slightly when using 4 sticks (think like 25mV-50mV or so on DDR3) and leave most besides the CPU and PLL voltages alone.
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aluminumonkey posted:Someone suggested running it with admin privileges. Not sure that helps or not. I'm sure a hotfix will be coming this week. Tried various combinations of admin rights and compatibility modes but no avail.
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MaxxBot posted:But the issue is it actually performs better with SMT off rather than on in some games and in some cases this would be the case with the 3900X but not the 3600, basically the game runs best with a certain number of threads but not more or less. One reviewer noticed much better framerates by parking games to 1 core on the 3900X, so it is probably Windows scheduler fuckery.
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Cygni posted:Why are you trying to argue with me? I don't know, I'm just telling you what the roadmap says, man. I just don't understand why anyone would take an Intel roadmap as gospel given, I don't know, the last 5 years of actual results?
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Just wanted to repost these for fun.  
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Perplx posted:Just wanted to repost these for fun. 14nm was late by a year and I don't think there is more that needs to be said for 10nm.
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Crunchy Black posted:I just don't understand why anyone would take an Intel roadmap as gospel given, I don't know, the last 5 years of actual results? You: I bet they respin Skylake on 14nm again Me: You’re right, it’s even on the roadmap already You: Psh, that’s dumb, who would trust their roadmaps!! Me: 
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To be fair to Intel, they did say, "We expect technology innovation to continue" but they didn't specify by whom.
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GigaPeon posted:Anyone else play Destiny 2 and having trouble launching it? Cause I am. Speaking of launch problems. The new CPUs aren't booting Linux distros newer than Ubuntu 18.04 LTS. There's something up with systemd apparently. https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ryzen-3700x-3900x-linux&num=2
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All this stuff about RAM has me entirely confused. All I want is 32GB of 3200C14 or better for a decent price, but apparently trying to achieve that throws me down the rabbit hole of motherboard topology, single and dual rank RAM, Ryzen issues with dual rank, Micron e-dies, tight and loose timings, etc, and I am just getting very confused. Does anybody know a good resource that explains all these things? I saw some reddit post talking about OC results and it was mentioned that these could get timings like DDR4-3600 14-17-17 1.48V and DDR4-3600 14-19-14 1.5V: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/CdyV3C/crucial-ballistix-sport-lt-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3000-memory-bls2k16g4d30aesc Is this really all I need?
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I don't know what happened to RAM but it is totally opaque to me now. I wanted to buy two more sticks to bring me up to 32GB and it seems like every brand absolutely refuses to list any information that allows their RAM to be compared to any other brand. One was listing their memory by how many MIPs it has or something. Another went by the PC number. Another was using the frequency. I eventually just bought something that had similar looking numbers to what Ialready had (couldn't just buy the same RAM because it wouldn't fit under my heatsink in the first slot). Luckily it worked out, but jeez wtf. Anyway, I guess I'll go for just the regular 3600. Does anyone know if Amazon will ever have it or am I stuck with buying through Newegg?
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movax posted:I can’t find any of the Ryzens on Amazon FWIW, maybe the mobile app doesn’t show it? https://www.amazon.com/stores/page/09DCAE89-ECF8-4F1C-8964-F62016A14699?ingress=0&visitId=b2507182-2b55-4a30-9832-176c0664490f You can find direct links there. EDIT: But Amazon isn't selling the processors and are currently linking to a scam storefront. Because Amazon. https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/camw8a/psa_the_amd_authorized_reseller_for_the_3600x_on/
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Just a real quick question as I'm thinking about upgrading. I don't upgrade often so would it be smart to wait for the next generation and presumably new socket to future proof a little better? I've been putting off upgrading my overclocked 4670k for a bit now but I wouldn't mind waiting longer if it makes sense. Or at that long of a timespan between upgrades does it not really matter since there might even be a couple of new sockets inbetween?
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punch drunk posted:Just a real quick question as I'm thinking about upgrading. I don't upgrade often so would it be smart to wait for the next generation and presumably new socket to future proof a little better? I've been putting off upgrading my overclocked 4670k for a bit now but I wouldn't mind waiting longer if it makes sense. Or at that long of a timespan between upgrades does it not really matter since there might even be a couple of new sockets inbetween? There's always something better coming 6-12 months from now. If you're not happy with your current performance and it's not literally a few weeks before a new launch, buy now. If you are, wait until you aren't.
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punch drunk posted:Just a real quick question as I'm thinking about upgrading. I don't upgrade often so would it be smart to wait for the next generation and presumably new socket to future proof a little better? I've been putting off upgrading my overclocked 4670k for a bit now but I wouldn't mind waiting longer if it makes sense. Or at that long of a timespan between upgrades does it not really matter since there might even be a couple of new sockets inbetween? This lineup is as 'future proof' (which is a fallacy anyway, but I get what you mean) as it gets with the added cheap cores and threads (since that seems like what it's slowly shifting to) + p solid single thread performance that's fast approaching being functionally indistinguishable from Intel's. But having said that...I know that I'm gonna wait for at least 6 months so that the manufacturing on the chips gets more refined and since this is AMD might even get a nice Christmas deal or somesuch to boot. Still, that's just my circumstance of building a whole new PC from scratch and deciding to wait on my rear end on ampere after all, and in the end this poster has it right: ItBreathes posted:There's always something better coming 6-12 months from now. If you're not happy with your current performance and it's not literally a few weeks before a new launch, buy now. If you are, wait until you aren't. CrazyLoon fucked around with this message at 21:43 on Jul 8, 2019 |
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