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aphid_licker
Jan 7, 2009


I have half a year of money on ze Girokonto - 0,1% on the Tagesgeldkonto makes gently caress all of a difference - and every month throw everything that's left over beyond that after the Miete has gone out into the lowest-management-cost MSCI World ETF I could find. Make sure that you don't get charged something insane like 8€ Gebühren on your 150€ monthly Fondskauf. Fair warning: this will make you the owner of stock in every famously lovely corporation on the planet.

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Randler
Jan 3, 2013

ACER ET VEHEMENS BONAVIS

aphid_licker posted:

I have half a year of money on ze Girokonto - 0,1% on the Tagesgeldkonto makes gently caress all of a difference - and every month throw everything that's left over beyond that after the Miete has gone out into the lowest-management-cost MSCI World ETF I could find. Make sure that you don't get charged something insane like 8€ Gebühren on your 150€ monthly Fondskauf. Fair warning: this will make you the owner of stock in every famously lovely corporation on the planet.

Müsstest Du als SPD-Mitglied nicht voll hinter Rürup, Riester und Maschmeyer stehen? :thunk:

aphid_licker
Jan 7, 2009


Randler posted:

Müsstest Du als SPD-Mitglied nicht voll hinter Rürup, Riester und Maschmeyer stehen? :thunk:
Die Partei ist firmly in der jeder-für-sich Phase rn

Libluini
May 18, 2012

I gravitated towards the Greens, eventually even joining the party itself.

The Linke is a party I grudgingly accept exists, but I've learned enough about DDR-history I can't bring myself to trust a party that was once the SED, a party leading the corrupt state apparatus ...
Grimey Drawer

Randler posted:

Müsstest Du als SPD-Mitglied nicht voll hinter Rürup, Riester und Maschmeyer stehen? :thunk:

Maschmeyer is the worst politician for me, because for some reason my brain always wants to delete and replace his name with "Wischmeyer" and then I have to expend extra effort to mentally correct myself. :argh:

GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011

Randler posted:

Müsstest Du als SPD-Mitglied nicht voll hinter Rürup, Riester und Maschmeyer stehen? :thunk:

Those are public positions, not private positions

Cingulate
Oct 23, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

aphid_licker posted:

I have half a year of money on ze Girokonto - 0,1% on the Tagesgeldkonto makes gently caress all of a difference - and every month throw everything that's left over beyond that after the Miete has gone out into the lowest-management-cost MSCI World ETF I could find. Make sure that you don't get charged something insane like 8€ Gebühren on your 150€ monthly Fondskauf. Fair warning: this will make you the owner of stock in every famously lovely corporation on the planet.
What bothers me is they’re gonna add Saudi Arabia.

Dommolus Magnus
Feb 27, 2013

Smirr posted:

https://twitter.com/BillOReilly/status/1147100333463805952

On the reasonable assumption that a difference of two days is statistical noise in the grand scheme of things, I would like to ask whether anyone here has ever seen Cingulate and Bill O'Reilly in the same room? Free your minds, sheeple

Of course, O'Reilly was to Dachau before(, in his previous life as a camp guard).

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747

Dommolus Magnus posted:

Of course, O'Reilly was to Dachau before(, in his previous life as a camp guard).

I'm not at all surprised that he "kept thinking" about using a death camp against "AOC and her crew".

Randler
Jan 3, 2013

ACER ET VEHEMENS BONAVIS
https://twitter.com/marga_owski/status/1148166346561196034

Hat die SPD endlich einen kommunikationsfähigen Ansatz gefunden, um bei AKK's Neulandregulierung mitzumachen. :allears:

Ritznit
Dec 19, 2012

I'm crackers for cheese.

Ultra Carp
Seriously, I'd actually be really glad if faschofreundliche platforms like Twitter or Facebook finally cleaned up their act and stopped giving rightwing nutjobs a platform. Of course that is not how our dear government is going to handle it. So nah und doch so fern.

I get the same feeling whenever I see campaigns against the porn industry and how it exploits its workers - I go all "oh cool!" until I see it's a campaign by some overzealous Christian group that says masturbation is evil and women cannot be trusted with their own bodies. Welp!

Haramstufe Rot
Jun 24, 2016

I don't know anything about Rente so I just buy index fonds poo poo.

All the Rente offerings I saw amount to like 170€/year Zuschuss if you pay a shitton of money into a zero interest Anlage with Gebühren so its like ... nothing?
And due to starting late paying into Betriebliche RV, I'll be getting like 2€/Month when I retire at 98, if the system didn't collapse until then.


Should I be doing something else?

Wengy
Feb 6, 2008

I’m also interested in this. And yes, gently caress betriebliche Vorsorge (basically what we call zweite Säule in Switzerland).

Cingulate
Oct 23, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

caps on caps on caps posted:

I don't know anything about Rente so I just buy index fonds poo poo.

All the Rente offerings I saw amount to like 170€/year Zuschuss if you pay a shitton of money into a zero interest Anlage with Gebühren so its like ... nothing?
And due to starting late paying into Betriebliche RV, I'll be getting like 2€/Month when I retire at 98, if the system didn't collapse until then.


Should I be doing something else?
All my research has pointed to this too, and everyone in this thread with an opinion has so far said the same. Although getting oliwans opinion would be interesting too.

Edit: I pay somewhat around half my net income into A1JX52. My wife, I don’t know, buys pants or something like that.

I have a bAV from my Uni days and my Riester from my stupid days which both claim to pay me enough money to go out and have pasta at the okay-ish Italian around the corner once a month when I’m old. Maybe it’ll still be enough for a subway after 30 more years of inflation too.

Cingulate fucked around with this message at 09:35 on Jul 9, 2019

Zwille
Aug 18, 2006

* For the Ghost Who Walks Funny
I think I would have maybe gotten €100/month if I had kept paying 100€/month for 30 years. So happy I pulled the plug. Although if you're married & with kids & not oliwan, you apparently get a ton more Zulagen or whatever so YMMV.

edit: jesus, paying 100€/month sounds so much worse than 1.000€/year :psyduck:

Randler
Jan 3, 2013

ACER ET VEHEMENS BONAVIS
Betriebliche Altersvorsorge lohnt sich für viele Leute auch nicht. Anders als bei der Riester-Rente gibt es bei der betrieblichen Altersvorsorge aber viel mehr Variablen, von denen das abhängt.

Der Vorteil von der betrieblichen Altersvorsorge ist, dass die Entgeltumwandlung steuerfrei und SV-frei erfolgen kann. Allerdings sind die Renten dann später steuerpflichtig und SV-pflichtig. D.h. einen Nutzen hast Du nur, wenn Du in eine Gruppe fällst, bei der sich aus der zeitlichen Verlagerung der Besteuerung ein nennenswerter Vorteil ergibt und bei der die SV-Freiheit überhaupt was bringt (wer bereits über der GKV-Beitragsbemessungsgrenze ist spart halt auch keine GKV-Beiträge). Gleichzeitig führt eine SV-Ersparnis bei der Rentenversicherung natürlich dazu, dass man weniger gesetzliche Rente kriegt. Dieses Weniger muss die betriebliche Altersvorsorge also auch erstmal kompensieren.

Dann brauchst Du halt noch einen Durchführungsweg und Anbieter, der vernünftige Kosten hat. Das traf als ich das letzte Mal dazu nachgeschlagen habe auf die meisten nicht zu.

Dann lohnt sich das Ganze auch erst, wenn der Arbeitgeber was dazugibt (und seien es auch nur die vom Arbeitgeber ersparten SV-Beiträge). Das war früher nicht einmal zwingend, wird es aber bald. Aber IIRC muss der Arbeitgeber immer noch nichtmal alle von ihm eingesparten SV-Beiträge dazugeben.

Oh, und die Niedrigzinslage macht natürlich schon seit längeren alle Neuabschlüsse super unattraktiv.

Mithaldu
Sep 25, 2007

Let's cuddle. :3:
https://twitter.com/PolizeiSachsen/status/1148238099371180034

System Metternich
Feb 28, 2010

But what did he mean by that?


Lieber spät als nie imo, wobei ich’s erst glaube dass da wirklich was getan wird wenn ich es sehe

Torrannor
Apr 27, 2013

---FAGNER---
TEAM-MATE

Hmm yes, the replies to this tweet are sure encouraging. Finally, citizens are raising alarm about the police ignoring all those Linksextreme :smith:

Cingulate
Oct 23, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

Torrannor posted:

Hmm yes, the replies to this tweet are sure encouraging. Finally, citizens are raising alarm about the police ignoring all those Linksextreme
... in Sachsen.

Mithaldu
Sep 25, 2007

Let's cuddle. :3:

Torrannor posted:

Hmm yes, the replies to this tweet are sure encouraging. Finally, citizens are raising alarm about the police ignoring all those Linksextreme :smith:

The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."

GLS :argh:

That is all.

Sereri
Sep 30, 2008

awwwrigami

The_Doctor posted:

Hermes :argh:

That is all.

:(:hf::(

The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."


It’s amazing how utterly incompetent companies can be. :smith:

ephex
Nov 4, 2007





PHWOAR CRIMINAL

The_Doctor posted:

It’s amazing how utterly incompetent subcontractors of subcontractors of subcontractors of companies can be. :smith:

Randler
Jan 3, 2013

ACER ET VEHEMENS BONAVIS
Ich versuche mich gerade in Musiktheorie einzulesen und ich bin mir ziemlich sicher, dass selbst von den Grundlagen nichts Teil des schulischen Lernplans war.

Kein Wunder, dass die jungen Leute eine Woche lang gegen den Klimawandel protestieren anstatt zur Schule zu gehen. Verpassen tut man da wohl echt nichts. :colbert:

skipThings
May 21, 2007

Tell me more about this
"Wireless fun-adaptor" you were speaking of.
https://www.zeit.de/politik/deutschland/2019-07/afd-alexander-gauland-bjoern-hoecke-zerwuerfnisse-vorstandswahl

more purges, more radicalization

Wengy
Feb 6, 2008

https://www.faz.net/aktuell/gesellschaft/menschen/das-dilemma-der-eltern-in-sachen-schulerziehung-16271084.html

Is this how school in Germany actually works? Do primary school teachers use this type of Nazi-Duktus? WTF

elbkaida
Jan 13, 2008
Look!

They used to have a Soko Rex until a few years ago when it was renamed or merged with some other unit. I don't think this is going to be much different, it's only a handful of officers anyway.

GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011




:911:

Simply Simon
Nov 6, 2010

📡scanning🛰️ for good game 🎮design🦔🦔🦔

Wengy posted:

https://www.faz.net/aktuell/gesellschaft/menschen/das-dilemma-der-eltern-in-sachen-schulerziehung-16271084.html

Is this how school in Germany actually works? Do primary school teachers use this type of Nazi-Duktus? WTF
What do you mean exactly?

Smirr
Jun 28, 2012


lmao

Babies Getting Rabies
Apr 21, 2007

Sugartime Jones

Wengy posted:

https://www.faz.net/aktuell/gesellschaft/menschen/das-dilemma-der-eltern-in-sachen-schulerziehung-16271084.html

Is this how school in Germany actually works? Do primary school teachers use this type of Nazi-Duktus? WTF

Nice faz link















For me to poop on.

Also, to answer your question, not really, it's a faz article, it's all besorgtes Bildungsbürgertum in a Bad Homburger Niedrigenergiehaus.

Wengy
Feb 6, 2008

Simply Simon posted:

What do you mean exactly?

Uh, the sneering tone of those teacher feedback comments? The explicit expectations that parents can be drafted as co-teachers? The insane pressure on loving third graders to develop ‘presentation skills’ (and make the grade for Gymnasium when they’re ten years old, lol)? It all strikes me as patently insane. Granted, it’s been a while since I went to school, so maybe primary school in Switzerland is like that too now.

Mithaldu
Sep 25, 2007

Let's cuddle. :3:
I read the thing and feel immensely more stupid for it, and i'm sure none of what's written in there is true.

The article is made for anyone with any sort of gripe to feel mitgenommen and to nod sagely at the wisdum.

Wengy
Feb 6, 2008

Here's a better article: https://sz-magazin.sueddeutsche.de/leben-und-gesellschaft/harald-schmidt-alice-schwarzer-87509

System Metternich
Feb 28, 2010

But what did he mean by that?


It is with a heavy heart I must announce that Germany has got its own Ted Cruz moment

https://twitter.com/ardkontraste/status/1148616748192718849?s=21

Zwille
Aug 18, 2006

* For the Ghost Who Walks Funny
He didn’t advocate against masturbation so that’s an entirely different ball(lol)park there already.

E: it is a very auswärtiger Ausschuss thought, I’ll grant him that

Randler
Jan 3, 2013

ACER ET VEHEMENS BONAVIS

System Metternich posted:

It is with a heavy heart I must announce that Germany has got its own Ted Cruz moment

https://twitter.com/ardkontraste/status/1148616748192718849?s=21

Obligatory Wikipedia posted:

Bystron wuchs in der Tschechoslowakei auf. 1987 flohen seine Eltern mit ihm in die Bundesrepublik Deutschland und beantragten politisches Asyl.

:thunk:

Mithaldu
Sep 25, 2007

Let's cuddle. :3:

System Metternich posted:

It is with a heavy heart I must announce that Germany has got its own Ted Cruz moment

https://twitter.com/ardkontraste/status/1148616748192718849?s=21

it's still in his like list and it's a 2 minute long anal porn vid

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aphid_licker
Jan 7, 2009


Sehe den Nachrichtenwert nicht, we already knew that AfD was full of Wichser

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