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Groovelord Neato posted:i must've missed the trailers for it comes at night. i watched it after it got a home release and loved it. It Comes at Night is a lot like Hereditary in which the title and marketing were deliberately misleading into order to really gently caress with you when the actual plot happens
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Jul 9, 2019 15:17
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i'd love to see the movie that the hereditary trailer was setting up but it didn't affect my enjoyment of the actual movie.
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Jul 9, 2019 15:19
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I don’t think I ever saw a trailer for Hereditary. Just a review from Sundance calling it terrifying and then reviews before the wide release saying the same thing. Turned out they were right!
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Jul 9, 2019 15:37
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Someone in this thread mentioned Tusk. I watched that on recommendation from a couple of friends and now I don't take recommendations from them anymore. Utter shite.
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Jul 9, 2019 15:51
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I can totally see the comparisons between this film and Tusk, as long you're referring to Tusk the Fleetwood Mac song and not Tusk the Kevin Smith dog turd.
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Jul 9, 2019 16:40
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Do I even wanna take the time to read back and find out why we are talking about tusk
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Jul 9, 2019 16:48
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Budgie Jumping posted:I can totally see the comparisons between this film and Tusk, as long you're referring to Tusk the Fleetwood Mac song and not Tusk the Kevin Smith dog turd. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzZCoe38_hM
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Jul 9, 2019 16:50
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I have a male friend who had a spouse who was emotionally abusive and screwed up his life for a decade after their divorce. He came away with the impression that Christian was less abusive and more of a protagonist than I did. I'm starting to think that some of the characterization and Aster's building of their relationship might be deliberately vague, so that we can project our own experiences on the relationship.
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Jul 9, 2019 16:50
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Do I even wanna take the time to read back and find out why we are talking about tusk I would watch an alternate cut of this set to only songs from Tusk. The title track would coincide with the ending obviously, with the marching band kicking in once the fire starts really going Edit: https://shop.a24films.com/collections/featured/products/bear-in-a-cage Blast Fantasto fucked around with this message at 17:05 on Jul 9, 2019 |
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Jul 9, 2019 16:59
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Groovelord Neato posted:when saw came out the couple in front of me walked out right before the reveal. At my local preview screening for The Ring, people started packing up and filing out after the scene in the well. You could practically feel the internal struggle of everyone who had seen the original as they all tried to figure out if they should say something. There was a lot of throat clearing.
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Jul 9, 2019 17:08
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Do I even wanna take the time to read back and find out why we are talking about tusk It was mentioned in passing and it seems someone thought it was good for some reason. I don't quite get it myself either.
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Jul 9, 2019 17:37
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bort posted:I have a male friend who had a spouse who was emotionally abusive and screwed up his life for a decade after their divorce. He came away with the impression that Christian was less abusive and more of a protagonist than I did. I'm starting to think that some of the characterization and Aster's building of their relationship might be deliberately vague, so that we can project our own experiences on the relationship. Hard agree I was surprised at the people itt who took Christian to be malevolent instead of just lost and indecisive
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Jul 9, 2019 17:49
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yeah he's a coward for not breaking it off when the relationship was so strained but he was sorta "trapped" by something out of his control to stay in. can't really dump your girlfriend after her sister wiped out her family in a murder-suicide.
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Jul 9, 2019 17:54
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bort posted:I have a male friend who had a spouse who was emotionally abusive and screwed up his life for a decade after their divorce. He came away with the impression that Christian was less abusive and more of a protagonist than I did. I'm starting to think that some of the characterization and Aster's building of their relationship might be deliberately vague, so that we can project our own experiences on the relationship. Imo he comes off as somewhat of a selfish jerk, mostly because the film is through the lens of Dani, but his actions don’t always line up with that. Really overall it just seemed like they were stuck in a lovely situation together and it wasn’t a healthy relationship anymore. I really don’t buy the level of villainy or him deserving anything that happened to him. I think calling him abusive is an overstatement. Really the worst thing he did was done under extreme duress and drugging. Doesn’t really feel fair to blame him for that. I think the biggest thing is that he is just kind of unlikeable.
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Jul 9, 2019 17:56
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By the time he steals Josh’s thesis idea and then completely throws him under the bus when he goes missing, it seems hard to deny that Christian is not just a dude handling a breakup poorly, but more likely a guy who is selfish and uncaring in all of his personal relationships.
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Jul 9, 2019 18:07
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Sure, that's the majority opinion and close to what I feel, too. But I could see if you'd been trapped in a relationship with an emotionally abusive woman, that you might forgive Christian's faults a little more easily. In regard to Dani, at least; it's definitely the case that he's a dick in regard to Josh. I remember feeling very sympathetic in the scene on the couch. Losing your enthusiasm for a relationship and then having a partner have heavy emotional baggage would be wearying.
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Jul 9, 2019 18:09
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They both exhibited varying levels of selfishness throughout the story. Dani was just in a much more fragile state so our sympathies leaned in her favor.
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Jul 9, 2019 18:12
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Christian is weak spirited and gets what he wants by manipulating people. It's how he handled inviting Dani by telling his friends she's not really coming, or the first time they're offered mushrooms and he resigns from taking them as if he didn't know exactly what would happen. It's how he forces himself into working on the paper. He forgets his girlfriend of 4 years birthday (did anyone else notice they dated 4 years and 2 weeks? Which means when Christian goes to that party and Dani can't sleep, that may well be their first date anniversary) and then he cheats on her like a day later.
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Jul 9, 2019 18:15
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He planned a trip to Sweden without telling her, only confessed it when he got caught out in the lie two weeks before leaving, and then completely forgot her birthday like six months after her whole family died. Almost cartoonishly lovely.
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Jul 9, 2019 18:17
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so, uh everyone seems to be kind of taking Christian's participation in the orgy as consensual when... I really didn't 100% get that vibe? like, dude's whacked out of his mind on drugs and being literally physically forced to gently caress the interpretation of him having cheated on Dani has pretty strong "lmao men can't be raped" vibes and that's awful
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Jul 9, 2019 18:18
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:so, uh I chalk this up to it fitting so neatly into his established pattern of behavior that it’s reasonable to assume he would’ve done it drugs or no drugs (hence the ironic gag early on about him impregnating Swedish girls)
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Jul 9, 2019 18:21
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For the record I don't think him cheating warrants being stuffed in a bear and burned alive Not quite at least
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Jul 9, 2019 18:25
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Donovan Trip posted:For the record I don't think him cheating warrants being stuffed in a bear and burned alive That being said, if he’s not responsible for his actions due to the drugs, neither is she
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Jul 9, 2019 18:28
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:so, uh He had a conversation with the elder about him being approved to mate with that girl. Then he’s offered the drink and knows exactly what’s going to happen if he drinks it. Then he chooses to drink it. That’s him consenting to cheating right there. He was sober for all of that.
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Jul 9, 2019 18:45
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RCarr posted:He had a conversation with the elder about him being approved to mate with that girl. Then he’s offered the drink and knows exactly what’s going to happen if he drinks it. Then he chooses to drink it. That’s him consenting to cheating right there. He was sober for all of that. What? No. Uncle Boogeyman posted:That being said, if he’s not responsible for his actions due to the drugs, neither is she Agreed. I don’t think either of them bear any responsibility for anything that happened by the time the May queen dance starts and probably well before that.
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Jul 9, 2019 19:23
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veni veni veni posted:What? No. What do you mean no? All of those things happened. You could say he didn’t know it would be a weird sex ritual in the presence of a bunch of people but he absolutely knew he was going to have sex with that girl.
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Jul 9, 2019 19:30
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Did you see the conversation with the elder as Christian expressing interest in hooking up with her? Did you feel he wasn’t under pressure to drink the kool aid? Did you think he was in his right mind in that entire scenario? Was it even something he could have escaped? If so we have very different takes on it.
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veni veni veni posted:Did you see the conversation with the elder as Christian expressing interest in hooking up with her? Did you feel he wasn’t under pressure to drink the kool aid? Did you think he was in his right mind in that entire scenario? Was it even something he could have escaped? If so we have very different takes on it. Strong yes to the first one but the rest are a little more grey area. “Could he have escaped” seems somewhat irrelevant though considering none of them were ever gonna escape anyway Uncle Boogeyman fucked around with this message at 19:37 on Jul 9, 2019 |
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Jul 9, 2019 19:35
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It’s just like Oleanna!
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Does anyone else find it worth noting that Christian went along with everything riiiiight up until he realized the girl he fucks is trying to conceive
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Jul 9, 2019 19:40
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Lol good point. I didn’t even think about that.
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Jul 9, 2019 19:44
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It does seem like he resigns himself to his fate when he drinks the drug he is given. "Maybe we need to keep an open mind."
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Jul 9, 2019 19:48
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Jul 9, 2019 19:53
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Initially. They even told him it was drugged in less words. No one held him down and forced it down his throat.
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smallmouth posted:Initially. They even told him it was drugged in less words. No one held him down and forced it down his throat. No but if he's paying any attention at all to what's been going on around him his thought process could easily be "might as well do what they say if I don't want to be disappeared"
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Jul 9, 2019 19:57
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Possibly, yeah. And/or he was fed up with Dani having all the fun with her new friends. Either way his motivations were pretty thin.
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Jul 9, 2019 19:58
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Groovelord Neato posted:didn't he try to reject the drink? In like the most half hearted way possible “I think I’ll pass, I don’t wanna have a bad trip” “You won’t” “Oh okay then”
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:He planned a trip to Sweden without telling her, only confessed it when he got caught out in the lie two weeks before leaving, and then completely forgot her birthday like six months after her whole family died. Almost cartoonishly lovely. Yup. I had sympathy for him at the beginning...he's not an rear end in a top hat for being incompatible with Dani, and the insane trauma she experiences traps both of them in this terrible relationship. But my sympathy erodes pretty fast when it becomes clear how little respect he has for her needs or her intelligence. He stays in this garbage relationship for months just to maintain appearances, and when she rightly calls out how not engaged or straightforward he is with her, he denies it and essentially gaslights her. She's very clearly not a priority for him, made way worse by the fact he can't be honest about it. "I can't give you what you need, and I don't want to pretend anymore" is at least respectable even if it's painful. Though, yeah, he doesn't "deserve" to be burned alive in a bear suit. I viewed Dani's choice at the end as a mirror for her sister's choice at the beginning. They're both acts of horrifying ritualized violence designed to purge pain and despair from their lives. They're both insane, cruel, selfish choices that are not "justified" or defensible in any way. But that's not the point...both characters would do whatever they needed to to alleviate their suffering, and they act accordingly. Also, did I miss this from the last few pages, or is it news? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNz9nkQYag4
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Xealot posted:Yup. I had sympathy for him at the beginning...he's not an rear end in a top hat for being incompatible with Dani, and the insane trauma she experiences traps both of them in this terrible relationship. But my sympathy erodes pretty fast when it becomes clear how little respect he has for her needs or her intelligence. He stays in this garbage relationship for months just to maintain appearances, and when she rightly calls out how not engaged or straightforward he is with her, he denies it and essentially gaslights her. Yeah I agree with basically all of this, and I like the analysis at the end. I had trouble finding a way to thematically link the prologue with the rest of it. I think many of us can totally sympathize with the idea of staying in a relationship past the point where you should and finding yourself in an awkward situation because of it, and it’s easy to feel that sympathy in the beginning even if it is kinda his fault. But once we get to the reveal not long after that that he’s been hiding the Sweden trip for six months, that sympathy quickly erodes
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