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Volte posted:"this will make it easier to maintain" I think it was originally "Get it out the door!"
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animist posted:i like how his filter for language-design ubermensch is "got a bachelors in math or EE" do you want matlab and fortran b/c this is how you get matlab and fortran
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Jul 9, 2019 17:47
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VikingofRock posted:The author posted his rant in /r/programming and let's just say that they don't take criticism well: Weak-typed C-like language is an unmistakable sing of degeneracy.
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Jul 9, 2019 17:54
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sing o muse of degeneracy
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Jul 9, 2019 18:09
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EEs can hardly be trusted to design circuits much less programming languages
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Jul 9, 2019 18:15
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shuddering at the idea of liberal arts majors designing a language 
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Jul 9, 2019 18:18
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Plank Walker posted:shuddering at the idea of liberal arts majors designing a language isnt that perl. p sure i even read a quote some years back from larry wall about how he tried to make writing perl similar to a natural language--highly contextual, sometimes ambiguous, but expressive
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Nomnom Cookie posted:isnt that perl. p sure i even read a quote some years back from larry wall about how he tried to make writing perl similar to a natural language--highly contextual, sometimes ambiguous, but expressive Speaking of Perl 6, did people see this supposed defense of Perl 6 that reads like a parody? The author had to confirm that no, he actually meant it seriously when he rebuts "Perl 6 is slow" with look at all these open performance tickets!
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Athas posted:Speaking of Perl 6, did people see this supposed defense of Perl 6 that reads like a parody? The author had to confirm that no, he actually meant it seriously when he rebuts "Perl 6 is slow" with look at all these open performance tickets! Oh jeez, this article.
I also see that "Larry Wall is a linguist" is still the free space on the Perl Apologia Bingo Card. This is crazy, the most savage indictment of Perl 6 is to just quote directly from this article intended to defend it. It handily demonstrates all of its own myths to be true more clearly and concisely than I'd ever be able to do myself as an external observer. I used to see Perl 6 as a really amusing curiosity with flashes of insanity, but the amount of hard work that's been sunk into it and the lack of self-awareness is genuinely sad at this point.
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my favorite perl 6 fact is that you do atomic increment with the ⚛+= operator
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the most daming indictment of perl 6 is pointing at perl 5 and saying "somebody wanted to to second-system this shitshow"
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Bloody posted:what was perl 1 a mistake
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perl 5 was acceptable for scripting in the 90s
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I actually still do perl -pe sometimes but it's pure muscle memory
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perl 5 is, was, and will remain fine if you think there is any important difference between perl 5, ruby, and python, you need to get a grip
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Jul 10, 2019 04:33
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is there a legitimate reason to ever use perl over python in 2019 though?
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Jul 10, 2019 04:35
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abigserve posted:is there a legitimate reason to ever use perl over python in 2019 though? sure. flip a coin they are equally bad for exactly the same reasons
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Larry Wall is the bad Larry Larry Page is the weird Larry Larry Ellison is the good Larry
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FamDav posted:Larry Wall is the bad Larry larry wall is pretty weird, and "bad" is a value judgment i ain't willing to pursue the other two need a short trip down a long rope, for different reasons
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Jul 10, 2019 06:17
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:sure. flip a coin perl has more dollar signs than python and i find that offensive
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Jul 10, 2019 06:54
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Plorkyeran posted:perl has more dollar signs than python and i find that offensive to summarize my prior post: get a grip
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lol consider the source my friend
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Jul 10, 2019 06:56
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no, they’re right, sigils are idiotic and python is the superior language
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I think Python is better because Perl and Perl culture encourages terse and clever code. 
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pseudorandom name posted:no, they’re right, sigils are idiotic and python is the superior language to be clear that comment was not directed at nbsd despite quoting him
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a truly threaded python with the same attention to performance as perl and use of {} or similar for blocks instead of significant whitespace would rule
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Plank Walker posted:shuddering at the idea of liberal arts majors designing a language what are you talking about, AppleScript is awesome
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BobHoward posted:a truly threaded python with the same attention to performance as perl and use of {} or similar for blocks instead of significant whitespace would rule 
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BobHoward posted:a truly threaded python with the same attention to performance as perl and use of {} or similar for blocks instead of significant whitespace would rule ill start the wiki
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BobHoward posted:a truly threaded python with the same attention to performance as perl and use of {} or similar for blocks instead of significant whitespace would rule just use rust
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animist posted:just use Lisp
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homercles posted:On the crisis of Go: we should save Go from the current crisis of overconfident narcissistic idiocy. I mean in the first place this is  - who the hell was supposedly deciding who was 'allowed into PL design'? Would you get arrested if you tried to write a parser?In the second place, ever heard of, y'know, Cobol? Or MUMPS?
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eschaton posted:what are you talking about, AppleScript is awesome i was being sarcastic, like, oh no not people in the fields relating to interpersonal affairs trying to design a medium for communication??
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eschaton posted:just use APL
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Xarn posted:I think Python is better because Perl and Perl culture encourages terse and clever code. this is correct. it's possible to write python in perl, or vice versa, but people usually write perl with perl and this is what makes perl a bad language
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python is also arguably becoming more perl-like with features like assignment expressions in 3.8
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BobHoward posted:a truly threaded python with the same attention to performance as perl and use of {} or similar for blocks instead of significant whitespace would rule pypy exists also one of the many things i hate about javascript is the syntactical ambiguity between code blocks and object literals so idk maybe Algol Did Nothing Wrong
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:perl 5 is, was, and will remain fine you need to consider these things not in terms of the languages themselves, but rather as cultural artifacts in use by and affecting people. then you would realize that the important difference between perl and python is that python is in use by far more people and is therefore far worse than perl.
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Fiedler posted:you need to consider these things not in terms of the languages themselves, but rather as cultural artifacts in use by and affecting people. then you would realize that the important difference between perl and python is that python is in use by far more people and is therefore far worse than perl. i can accept this argument python has definitely damaged the world more than perl, but not because of any design reason
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