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Corsair Pool Boy posted:FFS if you don't like PJ just stay out of her thread, put her on ignore and move on. That’s not really the point. This was a fun thread dedicated to making fun of Q crazy people. The last ten pages have turned into PJ talking about her Narrative Nostradamus Hustles or whatever, which is the opposite of fun.
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You know what works really well at getting people whose posts you hate to stop posting? Ignoring them. You know what works really poorly? Weird slapfights.
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Also feel free to post fun tweets. It's just kind of a weird time right now for mocking. Hard to have as much fun poking at QAnon when Epstein's in the news.
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I dunno, it's funny watching the usual suspects try to tell PJ that she's using weird confusing language when she isn't. Perhaps the real russian psy-ops are coming from inside this thread because they can't understand terminology someone came up with. I do think it's a bit of a reach to suggest some kind of top-down super organized thing when it comes to Qanon though. I can't know how organized it is and poo poo but the general conclusion I come to is that Russia just needs to amplify the message for the most part, which is relatively easy to do.
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Argas posted:I dunno, it's funny watching the usual suspects try to tell PJ that she's using weird confusing language when she isn't. Perhaps the real russian psy-ops are coming from inside this thread because they can't understand terminology someone came up with. I mean, PJ uses very clear and easy to understand terms and she has for literally years at this point. A helpful hint for the forums is: if you find yourself agreeing with owlofcreamcheese, you know you're being a total dumbass, that's his gimmick. But if you hate a poster and want them to stop, just use the ignore button.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:No one can discuss it with you if you say things like "I've never seen a Nostradamus Hustle that seemed designed specifically to drive Compaction Cycle's among Narrativists- while Narrativists are a frequent target audience for this sort of scam, it's usually just to relieve them of their money. I've never before seeing a Nostradamus hustle that was seemingly set up just to provide a venue for a huge number of Narrativists to compact over and over." no one can engage with any of that without deep familiarity with your gobbledygook, no one can say anything about any of those claims. Who can disagree if a "nostradamas hustle" does or doesn't do that or how frequently narratives are targets of that scam or anything about any of it? You just make claims hidden behind fake words to make sure no one can agree or disagree with you. So we just have to bask in your received wisdom as our prophet. I've never even heard the words "Nostradamus Hustle" before and I immediately knew what they meant. If you're having trouble parsing anything Prester Jane is saying then you have comprehension problems. Sorry, just to explain that "Comprehension Problems" is a concept made up of two words, "Comprehension" and "Problems" meaning that you have difficulty understanding simple ideas. I don't want you to get confused and upset by the jargon I'm using. I have a passing idea of what PJ is on about having waded through a couple of their posts, that was literally the only info i needed to understand straight away what a narrativist is. You can disagree, but it's not gobbledegook like QAnon.
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For real, I read PJ's OP what feels like years ago and the terms still made sense when brought up here. It's only making GBS threads up the thread because some people seem to have an interest in failing to understand them and PJ has an interest in nver letting that go without comment.
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Jesus Christ, has this arguing over Pj's posts ever helped? No it hasn't, just please shut up
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You were whining about her posts literally on the previous page lmao.
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Yeah and now I regret engaging at all
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This is the Clintons' fault, they are trying to this thread apart
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Does the qult still Trust Horowitz? We're about to find out https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/09/us/politics/ig-russia-investigation-steele.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage
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Opferwurst posted:This is the Clintons' fault, they are trying to this thread apart Good job, leave the action blank so the rubes can fill it in with whatever furthers their own prejudices. Presentation needs some work but this is an excellent starting point.
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 This is like trying to comprehend my nearly-blind Boomer mother's emails. GOD WINS.
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Well, I mean, everyone knows that (H) + [C] = D. BTW, this above is ACTUAL gibberish that makes no sense. Just looking at it makes me mad.
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JonathonSpectre posted:Well, I mean, everyone knows that (H) + [C] = D. I think I can parse what is happening in that post and make what is happening there comprehensible to a non-cultist: Q is telling his supporters that the Narrative Dysphoria they are experiencing doesn't matter- because very soon the God-Force is going to start the "Great Upwelling". Since the "Great Upwelling" is only defined in my thread I will elaborate on it here: All Narrativist belief systems have some form of the "Great Upwelling"- a momentous event wherein the God-force asserts its dominion over human society, casting out the Enemy in a climatic compaction cycle and elevating The Elect into their proper place as rulers over the world. The "rapture" as depicted in Left Behind is the example of a belief in the Great Upwelling most posters here will already be familiar with. Other examples would include "The day of the rope" from the notoriously racist Turner Diaries or the "Falling of the Veil" in Otherkin cults. The important thing here is a given Qanon adherent does not need to believe in the Christian God in order for this particular psychological manipulation technique to be effective on them. As long as they are a Narrativist they will ultimately believe in some form of the Great Upwelling as well as having an equivalent of a God-Force; they will probably have their own labels a names for things, but the structure of the police will be identical, because the structure of the underlying psychology driving those beliefs is identical. The thing to constantly keep in mind with narrative is that the specifics of their beliefs are basically irrelevant, what matters is the underlying structure of those beliefs. Narrativists can cooperate with each other, even if their inner narratives are theoretically opposed, because the underlying structure of their beliefs provides a path to finding common ground. Prester Jane fucked around with this message at 14:35 on Jul 10, 2019 |
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How do we get these qanon retards to vote against the billionaire class and in favor of some socialist policies. Seems like it should be possible.
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bird with big dick posted:How do we get these qanon retards to vote against the billionaire class and in favor of some socialist policies. Seems like it should be possible. 1.)You would need empowered leadership figures declaring the billionaire class The Enemy and going after them the way that Trump goes after illegal immigrants. You would need to explain to them (in story form) why many of the problems and personal outrageous in their life stem from the greedy decisions of the billionaire class. And those leaders would need to keep harping on that story and attacking billionaires (The Enemy) at every opportunity- whether or not it looked like they stood a sliver of a chance of succeeding or not. 2.) You would need to flood entertainment media with constant variations of a story of ordinary individuals being wronged by the greed of billionaires- and taking vengeance on those billionaires through some form of either grass-roots activism or active resistance/sabotage. Basically you would need to sell them on your plan through a combination of combative public figures in conjunction with constant repetition of stories that center on the idea that they personally can be a Great Hero by standing up to the billionaire class via political activism/resistance/sabotage.
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Prester Jane posted:I think I can parse what is happening in that post and make what is happening there comprehensible to a non-cultist: Q is telling his supporters that the Narrative Dysphoria they are experiencing doesn't matter- because very soon the God-Force is going to start the "Great Upwelling". PJ, you’re re-inventing the eschatology. This subject is fairly well-trod ground that already has a lot of academic research into it. It might help you better define and explain your theories if you spent some time looking into that.
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JonathonSpectre posted:Well, I mean, everyone knows that (H) + [C] = D. (H) refers to one of two people: Huber, a U.S. attorney in Utah who was involved in an investigation into the Clinton Foundation, or Horowitz, the Inspector General of the DoJ. QAnons think one or both of them will issue a bombshell report into Clinton Crimes. [C] is James Comey. They think he's a traitor who will be pressured into ratting out the rest of the conspirators, particularly Hillary Clinton. D stands for declassification, which Q likes to abbreviate as "DECLAS" because that sounds way more Tactical. This refers to the idea that the Trump admin, via Bill Barr, is going to declassify the warrant applications that were used to spy on Trump's aide Carter Page and kicked off the Russia investigation. That's not totally unrealistic - they've been edging toward doing that for a couple years now. The idea is that this "DECLAS" will blow the whole conspiracy wide open because... I'm not sure? Maybe Hillary accidentally attached her Huma Abedin adrenochrome sex tape to the warrant application or something. So, H+C=D means that once there's enough public evidence of shady dealings by Clinton (via reports by Huber/Horowitz and testimony by Comey), Trump and his allies will finally be free to declassify and make public the already-existing evidence of her murderous sex crimes. Luigi's Discount Porn Bin fucked around with this message at 16:10 on Jul 10, 2019 |
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LanceHunter posted:PJ, you’re re-inventing the eschatology. This subject is fairly well-trod ground that already has a lot of academic research into it. It might help you better define and explain your theories if you spent some time looking into that. I disagree but I understand where you are coming from so let me clarify; eschatology is a much broader subject than what I am addressing here. There are entirely valid formulations of the answers to the questions of life and death and existence in the hereafter that are not Narrativist 8n their structure. While I am addressing areas of Narrativism that brush up against how Narrativists form their own eschatology; the specific structure of Narrativism is what I'm trying to hone in on here. To be more specific all Narrativist belief systems will ultimately conform to a distinct four-tiered story structure- what I call the "Grand Narrative". Narrativist eschatology will ultimately manifest through the format of the Grand Narrative- but that is true of all Narrativist beliefs
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Luigi's Discount Porn Bin posted:On a more specific level than what PJ said above, here's my understanding: Thank you! This makes much more sense than what I was imagining (Hilary+Cuck=Democrat!)
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Prester Jane posted:I disagree but I understand where you are coming from so let me clarify; eschatology is a much broader subject than what I am addressing here. There are entirely valid formulations of the answers to the questions of life and death and existence in the hereafter that are not Narrativist 8n their structure. While I am addressing areas of Narrativism that brush up against how Narrativists form their own eschatology; the specific structure of Narrativism is what I'm trying to hone in on here.
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Luigi's Discount Porn Bin posted:It really sounds like you're just describing millenarianism here. While millenarianism would fall into this category- belief in the Great Upwelling can take completely secular forms. Consider for example this comparison between Legt Behind and Atlas Shrugged: Left Behind posted:The God-Force (Yahweh) sends the perfect man (Jesus Christ) as a thief in the night to quietly gather The Elect (distinguished by being "true" Christians for their adherence to the correct version of Christian beliefs) and take them away from the world and to a sheltered paradise (Heaven) just before the onset of a period of massive destruction brought on by the collective refusal of The Enemy/The Sheeple (Atheists/The Unsaved) to obey the dictates of the God-Force (Allow Narrativists to rule the lives of everyone in accordance with fundamentalist Christianity). The story centers on a group of individuals (The Tribulation Force) that do not initially meet the requirements for admission to paradise but who later earn that right by changing their beliefs to be in line with the dictates of the God-Force. (Yahweh) It is presumed that once the destruction has ended The Elect will emerge from paradise to rebuild the world and rule over it in a new golden age. Atlas Shrugged posted:The God-Force (the Free Market) sends the perfect man (John Galt) as a thief in the night to quietly gather The Elect (distinguished by being rich people with the correct beliefs regarding personal greed) and take them away from the world and to a sheltered paradise (Galt's Gulch) just before the onset of a period of massive destruction caused by the collective refusal The Enemy/The Sheeple (The poor/everyone not poor but not rich) to obey the dictates of the God-Force (Allow Narrativists to rule the lives of everyone in accordance with Objectivism). The story centers primarily on an individual (Dagny Taggert) that does not initially meet the requirements for admission to paradise but then later earns that right by changing her beliefs to be in line with the dictates of the God-Force. (Free Market as personified by John Galt.) It is presumed that once the destruction of the old world has concluded The Elect will emerge from paradise to rebuild the world and rule over it in a new golden age. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zN6JV2GXyvg Prester Jane fucked around with this message at 16:31 on Jul 10, 2019 |
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Prester Jane posted:While millenarianism would fall into this category- belief in the Great Upwelling can take completely secular forms. Consider for example this comparison between Legt Behind and Atlas Shrugged: Luigi's Discount Porn Bin fucked around with this message at 16:59 on Jul 10, 2019 |
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Luigi's Discount Porn Bin posted:Sure, I get that, but so do the religious-studies types who write about millenarianism. There's been a good deal published about Turner-Diaries-style race wars or techno-utopianism as a form of millenarianism. There's nothing saying it has to be supernatural or religious in the traditional sense, though it often is, or acquires some kind of baggage like that along the way (like Q arguably has). Some would argue that if some worldview leads to a millenarian movement then it's kind of become a religion anyway, regardless of its content. In practice the people who study this stuff, at least the ones I've talked to, don't even like to draw sharp boundaries between "this thing is a religion" and "this thing is secular," much less rest definitions on that kind of distinction. My bad, I had a brain fart and confused millenarinism with "millerism" and thought this is what you were referencing: Wikipedia posted:
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Reading up on millenarianism now, thank you very much for this comparison . This is exactly in line with my thinking on the Great Upwelling and learning this gives me access to an established lexicon to discuss these concepts in the future.
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All good. It is pretty unfortunate that the Millerites were millenarians awaiting the millennium. Those guys owned though. They even had 19th-century protogoons mocking them when their prophecies flopped. 
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I'm just a lurker and I acknowledge that I have earned no frequent poster currency to criticize another, but I still want to say... I have no doubt that what what Prester Jane is saying makes sense if it is carefully parsed down and chewed upon, but I'd prefer this thread to be about Q-Anon and their wacky bullshit and maybe who is behind it and what can be done about it (if anything), And not about PJ's ever developing PhD thesis on the narrativist structure of the escatology of the compaction cycles oh god please validate me and my special knowledge and insights and predictive ability and really don't I deserve tenure for this brilliance. Because that is boring as gently caress and this is not the faculty lounge of the theology department at the University of Chicago.
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predicto posted:really don't I deserve tenure for this brilliance. feeling extremely called out right now
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Ahem In case you missed it here is a gbs QAnon thread. Its got some wild screenshots and then a hilarious effortpost mod challenge thing. https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3864866
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predicto posted:I'm just a lurker and I acknowledge that I have earned no frequent poster currency to criticize another, but I still want to say...  Let’s agree to disagree over whether PJ’s posts are easy to understand (on a quick skim - the usual rate at which I read these forums - they are not), but boy, this thread really took a turn. PJ, it sounds like you already have another thread going on this, so maybe that’s a better place for it? It’s not just a matter of skipping posts that I don’t like or whatever; this has just become a completely different thread at this point than making fun of wacky Q people. 
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guestimate posted:Ahem This one was good but the last post is literally from Sep last year.
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tpink posted:This one was good but the last post is literally from Sep last year. It is possible reading material about Qrap. Trying to derail the derail. 😘
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tpink posted:
Or use the ignore feature to make it so you don't have to read their posts and exist in blissful ignorance of PJ's posting. Because PJ's posts are thread relevant, easy to understand without much effort, and are better contributions than the endless whining about her posts. PJ paid  like the rest of us, it's weird to try to tell her that she can't post here because you, personally, don't like the content. Especially when the ignore feature exists.
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Captain Monkey posted:Or use the ignore feature to make it so you don't have to read their posts and exist in blissful ignorance of PJ's posting. Because PJ's posts are thread relevant, easy to understand without much effort, and are better contributions than the endless whining about her posts. you can't just ignore her - the whole thread becomes about her, pro or con. Including you jumping in to defend her over and over. If course she can post here, I just wish she would post... differently.
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I've jumped in way less than the half dozen or so people that feel the need to start poo poo every time she posts. In fact, I mostly lurk this thread. If people would just ignore the PJ posts, they'd be able to scroll past them that much faster. A lot of other discussion happens too. either way: I'm not going to contribute to the derail anymore. It's kinda gross for a bunch of people to declare that PJ can't post in their special thread because PJ posts in a different thread. The ignore button exists if they want to use it.
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Captain Monkey posted:Or use the ignore feature to make it so you don't have to read their posts and exist in blissful ignorance of PJ's posting. Because PJ's posts are thread relevant, easy to understand without much effort, and are better contributions than the endless whining about her posts. It is certainly easy to understand, that she is not saying anything of substance when she deploys the argot. It is mere spackling of trite posts.
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I don't care if she posts here, But she's posted that exact post in a dozen threads. She has posted that exact post in THIS THREAD word for word already. She has a thread for her dumb blog, she doesn't need to viral market it nonstop. It doesn't need to repost every thing she wrote every six months in every thread.
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I don't find anything distinctively wrong with PJ's theory and she's gotten support from people who actually do this kind of study professionally. I just have a problem with her trying to talk about Q and other stuff by posting massive paragraphs full of her theory whether or not anyone wants to talk about it.
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