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Winifred Madgers
Feb 12, 2002

Pick posted:

you're locking yourself out of the context for suder porn

I'm more than ok with that.

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lost my old email
Jun 20, 2019

even the erotic potential of tuvok as dom as to a barely contained psychopathic brad dourif cannot make actually watching the show "star trek: voyager" worth your time

lost my old email
Jun 20, 2019

voyager is far more entertaining to riff off of and constantly, constantly dunk on

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost

lost my old email posted:

even the erotic potential of tuvok as dom as to a barely contained psychopathic brad dourif cannot make actually watching the show "star trek: voyager" worth your time

but you admit it helps!

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost

Son of Sam-I-Am posted:

I'm more than ok with that.

I meant for when you're writing it

lost my old email
Jun 20, 2019

Pick posted:

but you admit it helps!

we all find our own way to live with voyager but it should never have happened. it should never have been done to us

Brawnfire
Jul 13, 2004

🎧Listen to Cylindricule!🎵
https://linktr.ee/Cylindricule

Snow Cone Capone posted:

*to Replicator* a shallow tray of peppermints and a Danish cookie tin full of old car keys.

One cut crystal bowl ribbon candy, inextricably stuck together

Lemniscate Blue
Apr 21, 2006

Here we go again.

Brawnfire posted:

One cut crystal bowl ribbon candy, inextricably stuck together

No media created post-1950 survived into the 24th century (except for the Beastie Boys), and obviously the same is true for candy recipes.

Winifred Madgers
Feb 12, 2002

Pick posted:

I meant for when you're writing it

just winging it has worked out ok so far

Drink-Mix Man
Mar 4, 2003

You are an odd fellow, but I must say... you throw a swell shindig.

Tears In A Vial posted:

Oh sorry, apparently it's called The Fight from season 5

That's weird its so poorly regarded, I thought it was pretty decent. Maybe I was just jazzed they shook up the format and did something visually different.

The Bloop
Jul 5, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Bedshaped posted:

Are there any Star Trek episodes anyone has seen once and will only ever see once?

TAS and DISCO

The thing about DISCO is that I'd pretty well have to watch it again in order and I don't want to

Snow Cone Capone
Jul 31, 2003


hot take: even episodes as bad as Code of Honor are worth watching more than once

Winifred Madgers
Feb 12, 2002


Whoa there bucko, back the heck up for a second.

The Bloop
Jul 5, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Son of Sam-I-Am posted:

Whoa there bucko, back the heck up for a second.

Hmmmm I really didn't fully grok the question

I will almost certainly watch all of Trek again, some year. Those are just the ones I never have


Yet

Winifred Madgers
Feb 12, 2002

your life has been spared... for now...

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006

I don't know whether DISCO is worse than ENT but both are worse than voyager. I wouldn't want to spend my free time watching any of them.

Brawnfire
Jul 13, 2004

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Lemniscate Blue posted:

No media created post-1950 survived into the 24th century (except for the Beastie Boys), and obviously the same is true for candy recipes.

"Computer, assorted candies."

"Spice, herbal, or liquor?"

"I... what? Fruit. Fuckin' fruit. Do people like that poo poo?"

"Horehound candies are a favorite of Chief Engineer Geordi LaForge."

"WHO GIVES A poo poo?"

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



I will take Disco over ENT and most of Voyager any day

You can say it's not great at times, but I feel like it's more consistent than either of the other shows

Angry Salami
Jul 27, 2013

Don't trust the skull.
I like Discovery and Voyager. Enterprise just had such unlikable characters that I couldn't make it past a handful of episodes.

Roadie
Jun 30, 2013

Admiralty Flag posted:

Late to recurring characters but what about the original TNG Chief Engineer "Leland T. lynch", who would respond to combadge pages with his full name and middle initial?

He didn't want to be confused with Leland N. Lynch, who also worked in Engineering.

John Wick of Dogs
Mar 4, 2017

A real hellraiser


Pick posted:

Speaking of Voyager, this "ship" has recently been gaining steam that sort of snowbally way that these things do. enjoy!


-shermanlad

Who is the non Tuvok?

Peachfart
Jan 21, 2017

Voyager is bad, but it isn't ENT/STD bad.

Roadie
Jun 30, 2013

Pakled posted:

Are all Romulans just Vulcans who've had a drug-induced psychosis that they're Roman senators?

See, I always figured that the Romulans are the original Vulcans who escaped to exile, and the current Vulcans are actually the Vulcan version of Augments who took over and outcompeted the previous society.

Like, what's the difference between them? Vulcans have more strength and more super-science engineering stuff, but naturally have wild emotions that are hard to control... just like human Augments do compared to normal humans.

Tighclops
Jan 23, 2008

Unable to deal with it


Grimey Drawer
The thing with Voyager is that there's just so much of it. 7 years worth of episodes and only about a dozen or so are really worth watching, and they're spaced out over the show's run. It never really gets consistently better or finds its footing, it just keeps going. By comparison ENT and STD's palpable desperation to find an audience can feel like something, at least, even if that feeling is like sandpaper to the balls.

BioEnchanted
Aug 9, 2011

He plays for the dreamers that forgot how to dream, and the lovers that forgot how to love.

Roadie posted:

See, I always figured that the Romulans are the original Vulcans who escaped to exile, and the current Vulcans are actually the Vulcan version of Augments who took over and outcompeted the previous society.

Like, what's the difference between them? Vulcans have more strength and more super-science engineering stuff, but naturally have wild emotions that are hard to control... just like human Augments do compared to normal humans.

Reading the wikipedia on the Vulcans confused me because it seemed that the Romulans were initially Vulcans that refused to follow the teachings of the first one to exert total control and so left to found their own Vulcan, with Blackjack and hookers, but clearly their emotions are only human level. Did Vulcan emotions just get worse over the centuries, or did the romulans just learn to chill out and reduce their emotions to human level?

Farmer Crack-Ass
Jan 2, 2001

this is me posting irl

Pick posted:

Enterprise is the worst Star Trek show by loving leagues. Its only redeeming feature is it is purestrain fanservice for straight white men, which is only a redeeming feature to straight white men. If it were a person it would have voted for George W Bush, twice, but lied about that to its wife.

also it would call its wife stupid, constantly, while she repeatedly catches it getting owned by obvious scams

Farmer Crack-Ass
Jan 2, 2001

this is me posting irl
enterprise would max out its credit cards buying bitcoin

BioEnchanted
Aug 9, 2011

He plays for the dreamers that forgot how to dream, and the lovers that forgot how to love.
Haven't watched enterprise myself, but it seems the main problem with it seems to be Archer's failure to realise that alien cultures aren't just like humans, or in some cases failing to empathise when they are. Like he cracks jokes about the Vulcan monastery but a human monastery has very similar rules so that's less human-vulcan relation problems and more human-being-an-rear end in a top hat problems. Also his total failure to listen to T-Pol about the vulcans without control that resulted in her getting raped because "They seem fine to me :downs:" because he doesn't realise Vulcan emotions are much more powerful and erratic than human emotions and therefore need to be kept in check. He's not just ethno-centric, he also lacks basic behavioural etiquette for interpersonal relationships even within his own species.

Roadie
Jun 30, 2013

BioEnchanted posted:

Haven't watched enterprise myself, but it seems the main problem with it seems to be Archer's failure to realise that alien cultures aren't just like humans, or in some cases failing to empathise when they are. Like he cracks jokes about the Vulcan monastery but a human monastery has very similar rules so that's less human-vulcan relation problems and more human-being-an-rear end in a top hat problems. Also his total failure to listen to T-Pol about the vulcans without control that resulted in her getting raped because "They seem fine to me :downs:" because he doesn't realise Vulcan emotions are much more powerful and erratic than human emotions and therefore need to be kept in check. He's not just ethno-centric, he also lacks basic behavioural etiquette for interpersonal relationships even within his own species.

Archer's a complete incompetent who only got the job because of nepotism.

Tunicate
May 15, 2012

to be fair to Archer he gets knocked unconscious and kidnapped by aliens so often that he's gotta have some serious head trauma

Small Strange Bird
Sep 22, 2006

Merci, chaton!
ENT would have been better with Captain Sterling Archer. At least then his incompetence and offensiveness would have been entertaining. (He also made the occasional half-hearted/assed attempt to better himself, while Jonathan Archer was a pompous and arrogant clenched rear end in a top hat all the way through.)

VOY > ENT, anyway. Granted some of the characters were voids in uniform, but that's better than all of them, and we got the Doctor, Seven, Sarcastic Spock and Captain Psycho. (Have only watched one ep of DISCO, so can't really comment on it.)

Zurui
Apr 20, 2005
Even now...



Good news for you: Captain Sterling Archer is beaming to your TV on FXX presently.

tarlibone
Aug 1, 2014
Fun Shoe

Zurui posted:

Good news for you: Captain Sterling Archer is beaming to your TV on FXX presently.

And it's been great so far!

egon_beeblebrox
Mar 1, 2008

WILL AMOUNT TO NOTHING IN LIFE.



One thing I actually like about "Enterprise" is how Archer is completely incompetent and only got his job because of who his dad is. Now, it doesn't make the show itself good, because why would you want someone like that as your lead in a serious show? But he's a loving idiot and gets owned all the time, and I kind of love it.

Small Strange Bird
Sep 22, 2006

Merci, chaton!

Zurui posted:

Good news for you: Captain Sterling Archer is beaming to your TV on FXX presently.
I'm in the wrong country. :smith:

Tears In A Vial
Jan 13, 2008

Enterprise is really good

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

Tears In A Vial posted:

Enterprise is really good

It's pretty good, I like it. I enjoy T'Pol getting frustrated by the idiot humans.

BioEnchanted
Aug 9, 2011

He plays for the dreamers that forgot how to dream, and the lovers that forgot how to love.
Why don't these fancy ships have basic safety features installed in case the computers go down? That way if disaster hits, there is an analog way out. TurboLifts go down? Take the stairs. You should never use any kind of lift in an emergency, and it just means everyone is hosed when the computer goes down. If Picard was stuck in an old fashioned lift, he'd be able to open a safety hatch and take a ladder. Even if the lifts work differently enough that that wouldn't work, find some kind of manual override way of doing things just in case.

Timeless Appeal
May 28, 2006
I'm playing a Star Trek Adventures Campaign with my wife and a friend that takes place in the TOS era that has a bit of political intrigue and presents the Federation as being a bit more fractured.

We've used some of the broad strokes from Enterprise for backstory and it's actually been pretty good. Like the idea of the Andorian-Vulcan War has actually been a cool piece of lore to play with even if the actual execution of the war on the show wasn't great.

But to be fair, we've been playing it where the Vulcans border on bad guys.

I was also watching "Liasons" as my wife begins to wrap up her Next Gen watch. It's one of those episodes that gets a bit sweaty in its sci-fi high concept, but it was interesting because of gender stuff. Picard multiple times gets kissed by a man posing as a woman, but there is also a part early on where Worf criticized the dress uniforms as being like a dress and Riker goes in on him for how outdated and sexist that thinking is.

I know not making a big deal about kissing a man or the slightest implication that gender fluidity will be the norm aren't really Earth-shattering and Next Gen does have tons of issues with how it shows gender and sexuality... Still, I feel like rewatching it, there is this undercurrent of the federation being much more sexually progressive than they could really portray in the lates 80s and early 90s.

It comes off in small moments like the men in skants early on or Crusher's issue with her Trill lover not being that they've become woman, but just that she can't keep up with someone capable of changing physical form.

I guess what I'm getting at is that I would love a modern Star Trek to really pick up on that. It's cool that there is LGBT representation in the series now, but it would be nice to really show breaking free of puritanical sexual norms as part of the utopia the same way breaking free of borders, money, or religion were. To see the show really think of what is the 2019 version of Kirk kissing Uhura.

Also, any modern depictions of Kirk where isn't pansexual isn't my Kirk.

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Tears In A Vial
Jan 13, 2008

BioEnchanted posted:

Why don't these fancy ships have basic safety features installed in case the computers go down? That way if disaster hits, there is an analog way out. TurboLifts go down? Take the stairs. You should never use any kind of lift in an emergency, and it just means everyone is hosed when the computer goes down. If Picard was stuck in an old fashioned lift, he'd be able to open a safety hatch and take a ladder. Even if the lifts work differently enough that that wouldn't work, find some kind of manual override way of doing things just in case.

Isn't that exactly what he does? The drama is he's injured with a bunch of kids.

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