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Hughlander posted:I went down a rabbit hole of this and how it interacts with Alexa... According to some, "Alexa turn on the lights" is forbidden, but "Alexa it's dark in here." is ok. alexa, don't mind me, I'll just waste away in the dark alone, an old woman no one cares about "turning on... living room lights. calling...son"
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I've always liked how my old (reform, I don't speak for Orthodox types because I don't get them at all) rabbi jokingly explained it. Christians decided they were friends with god, Catholics see him as a distant friend they send a check in email to every so often, Protestants see him as their neighbor they go have a chat with whenever they have a problem. We don't do that because for us God is more like a parent that left a list of rules to follow while they were out. We love and respect them and all but, yea, sometimes the kid is gonna decide that 'no parties' doesn't mean 'don't invite a friend you know is a blabbermouth over and let him invite everyone else' and maybe as long as things stay safe for everyone that's fine. Like, we super don't do 'benevolent God' by any means but we do tend to do 'God that goes 'aaaah, ya got me, good one' a lot' which tbh is a way cooler version of God.
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christmas boots posted:A significant amount of Judaism revolves around God setting rules, and various rabbis finding loopholes He didn't account for. For example, the Bible prohibits lighting a fire on the Sabbath and some sects have interpreted that to mean that turning on a light bulb is a violation of that command. Therefore, some among them invented devices that... well, I'll let this speak for itself. Mods, please change my name to KOSHERSWITCH ENGAGE. thank you in advance
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the dumb thing in religion is when someone spends a bunch of energy on translating phenomenology into an engineering problem, definitely not the other parts where it's used to justify pogroms or bilk octogenerians out of their savings with stories of meeting a Real Live Angel
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Jul 16, 2019 21:22
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sexpig by night posted:I've always liked how my old (reform, I don't speak for Orthodox types because I don't get them at all) rabbi jokingly explained it. "Sister Peggy, I really like going to church. Does that mean I can give it up for Lent?" "Well, I'm pretty sure God wouldn't like it. But what can he do? You caught him in a technicality. Good for you."
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Jul 16, 2019 21:22
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There is nothing more Catholic than the belief that god is your disappointed parent
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Jul 16, 2019 21:26
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He's not mad... just, you know *sigh* well what should he have expected , of you
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Jul 16, 2019 21:27
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Doc Hawkins posted:i am not sure you "get" abrahamic religions
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Jul 16, 2019 21:37
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:the dumb thing in religion is when someone spends a bunch of energy on translating phenomenology into an engineering problem, definitely not the other parts where it's used to justify pogroms or bilk octogenerians out of their savings with stories of meeting a Real Live Angel one of them is much more fun to read about
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Jul 16, 2019 21:39
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yea to be fair we did not live in a very catholic area so now thinking of it the idea of Catholics seeing God as any kind of 'friend' is very funny too, really it's just weird rear end modern American Protestants who think they're just gonna have a gab with God to clear up their problems. Everyone else is on the same page of 'God is always angry at you about something, figure it out', it's just a question of how we deal with that. My people have chosen the 'gaslight God and tell him he's not actually mad' and hell, I'm for it.
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Jul 16, 2019 21:40
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Leon Einstein posted:Yeah, but I thought Judaism didn't have the concept of hell either? Why are they afraid of breaking rules? Good point, it's not like God ever let anything bad happen to the Jews.
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Jul 16, 2019 21:41
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Sunswipe posted:Good point, it's not like God ever let anything bad happen to the Jews.
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Jul 16, 2019 21:43
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Sunswipe posted:Good point, it's not like God ever let anything bad happen to the Jews. "God's chosen people. To be poo poo on by everybody, ever."
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Leon Einstein posted:Yeah, but I thought Judaism didn't have the concept of hell either? Why are they afraid of breaking rules? two factors 1) in basically all Jewish faiths God doesn't wait till the afterlife to gently caress you up if he's mad at you, it's a very old school 'oh poo poo a bad thing happened, maybe it was God?' kinda thing. 2) More hit and miss depending on how liberal the community is. The Jewish holy books have very little afterlife talk in general, in a lot of readings there's no hell or heaven, and the afterlife is just...nothing. In a lot of others the idea of Sheol is more a 'purgatory' kinda thing, we all spend time there and get our sins burned off to join God in the proper afterlife, and many others just have the modern western 'heaven for good people Sheol for bad'. It's mainly factor 1 that's used as a morality story for Jews, but there are plenty who believe sinning will make their afterlife suck rear end too.
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Jul 16, 2019 21:47
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Bonaventure posted:one of them is much more fun to read about the angel story's pretty hackneyed rly, there's a reason they keep pretending it was written by a comatose six-year-old
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Jul 16, 2019 21:53
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:it rules, more religions should be about playing I'm Not Touching You with a wrathful God Jack-Off Lantern posted:Jewish Rules Lawerying is the best. Agreed, ops. It's pretty cool, honestly.
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Jul 16, 2019 21:54
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lol gently caress clericalism you pieces of crap
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Jul 16, 2019 21:56
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Leon Einstein posted:Yeah, but I thought Judaism didn't have the concept of hell either? Why are they afraid of breaking rules? I mean if you gently caress up he does some poo poo like turning you into a pillar of salt, so that's probably why.
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Jul 16, 2019 22:02
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what's so bad about being a pillar of salt anyway except i guess you didn't get in on all that sodomy while you had a chance
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Jul 16, 2019 22:03
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Leon Einstein posted:Yeah, but I thought Judaism didn't have the concept of hell either? Why are they afraid of breaking rules? It's not fear, it's the idea that you are by definition better person and community for submitting yourself to the dictates of the almighty, even or especially if they seem arbitrary and limiting. If following God is a good idea just because he tells you good ideas, you could just do those good ideas, and try to get better at recognizing good ideas from other sources, or even thinking up some of your own. "The wise man would not need Zeus," as some pagan rear end in a top hat put it. Requiring benefit from divine commands is a road to atheism.
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Jul 16, 2019 22:04
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Leon Einstein posted:Why would a benevolent God really want to make his followers live such a complicated existence? have you peeped the OT
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Doc Hawkins posted:It's not fear, it's the idea that you are by definition better person and community for submitting yourself to the dictates of the almighty, even or especially if they seem arbitrary and limiting. So what you are saying is that yahweh is your dom?
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Jul 16, 2019 22:12
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Figuring out a technological loophole around the idea that it’s not a virtue to work yourself or others ceaselessly until death is some serious loving black mirror poo poo.
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therobit posted:So what you are saying is that yahweh is your dom? Don't involve strangers in your kink.
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Jul 16, 2019 22:20
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Leon Einstein posted:Why would a benevolent God really want to make his followers live such a complicated existence? I've got bad news Pinecone Sample posted:I (35M) recently found out my wife (39F) has been lying about where she is at night. Jesus Christ OP you dumb motherfucker
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Jul 16, 2019 22:33
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Pinecone Sample posted:I (35M) recently found out my wife (39F) has been lying about where she is at night. even setting aside the obvious cheating, going out 3-4 nights a week instead of helping to raise your children is pretty lovely!
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Jul 16, 2019 22:39
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Which is the Jewish book where all the rabbis have comic book powers like controlling the weather and causing earthquakes? Is that the Talmud?
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Jul 16, 2019 22:47
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AITA: [37/M] for laughing because my sister [23/F] wants to live on the grid and keep her job ?quote:Unlike MOST girls her age , my little sister hates spending her money. Her attitude about it is like your typical sit-com TV Husband/Dad.
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Jul 16, 2019 22:55
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Haifisch posted:AITA: [37/M] for laughing because my sister [23/F] wants to live on the grid and keep her job ? I’m really really confused.
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Jul 16, 2019 23:16
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A typical sitcom dad doesn't want to spend money on bills and only wants to have fun? What?
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Smirking_Serpent posted:WIBTA if I told a woman her boyfriend got head from me at a wedding? This is why you take a ho to a hotel. A ho tell everybody.
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Pvt.Scott posted:This is why you take a ho to a hotel. A ho tell everybody. Even the mayor. Reach up to the sky for the ho-zone layer. Seriously though, I hope the OP tells the gf. I understand not wanting to get involved in other people’s drama and half the time the cheated-on SO won’t believe random accusations anyway, but the gf at least deserves a heads-up from the Op.
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Jul 16, 2019 23:40
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MarcusSA posted:I’m really really confused. I read the original post on reddit and couldn’t decipher it either time. She wants to... spend less money I guess? If you still work at an office you’re on the grid
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Jul 16, 2019 23:51
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Jack-Off Lantern posted:Jewish Rules Lawerying is the best. my personal favorite is that you aren't allowed to carry keys on the sabbath, but if you sew the keys into your clothes so that they're an integral part of the clothing, well, then you're really wearing them rather than carrying them, aren't you? and you are allowed to wear clothes on the sabbath of course. so who could fault you wearing a belt? nobody, that's who https://www.amazon.com/Shabbos-Key-Holder-Belt-Adjustable/dp/B006960ENM
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Sagebrush posted:my personal favorite is that you aren't allowed to carry keys on the sabbath, but if you sew the keys into your clothes so that they're an integral part of the clothing, well, then you're really wearing them rather than carrying them, aren't you? and you are allowed to wear clothes on the sabbath of course. so who could fault you wearing a belt? nobody, that's who Like at that low-effort level of rules lawyering you’re basically just trolling God.
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christmas boots posted:Like at that low-effort level of rules lawyering you’re basically just trolling God. the rules-lawyering to defend that rules-lawyering is that god gave us big brains, so obviously he intended for use to use them, and coming up with clever loopholes in his laws is one of those uses, so it pleases him when we do it
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Smirking_Serpent posted:I read the original post on reddit and couldn’t decipher it either time. She wants to... spend less money I guess? If you still work at an office you’re on the grid I think she wants to quit paying taxes for a few years
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Working at the office doesn't count as living on-grid. Off-grid means she probably wants to live on a chunk of land with solar panels and poo poo. I think the brother she asked is just stupid and doesn't understand much about life. You'd think by 37 he'd be able to make a coherent story. E god I reread that and it makes less sense. I don't loving know.
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Palpek posted:So frustrating to read eh, he'll get there in the end. Too bad for the kids, but hey. Lots of people are terrible, just one of them is their mother.
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Scathach posted:Working at the office doesn't count as living on-grid. Off-grid means she probably wants to live on a chunk of land with solar panels and poo poo. I think the brother she asked is just stupid and doesn't understand much about life. You'd think by 37 he'd be able to make a coherent story. Living 'off-grid' has become code for not paying taxes/not having the gubbmint track ya. If you read the story with that in mind it makes perfect sense and the sister is a moron.
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