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Grape posted:This sure is a post. Come again? It's important to come out guns blazing for your first post on the forums, really make an impression e: More drones https://twitter.com/FirasMaksad/status/1152178471562600448 US denies responsibility but lets be real Bohemian Nights fucked around with this message at 17:21 on Jul 19, 2019 |
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Bohemian Nights posted:It's important to come out guns blazing for your first post on the forums, really make an impression Theres plausible deniability here
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Iran says it siezed a British flagged oil tanker: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/19/british-oil-tanker-reportedly-seized-by-iranian-forces.html
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Can someone explain how EU sanctions on Syria grant EU nations the legal right to seize Iranian tankers allegedly headed to Syria? I still don't understand how that works. Aren't blockades an act of war?
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Tom Clancy is Dead posted:Iran says it siezed a British flagged oil tanker: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/19/british-oil-tanker-reportedly-seized-by-iranian-forces.html
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:Can someone explain how EU sanctions on Syria grant EU nations the legal right to seize Iranian tankers allegedly headed to Syria? I still don't understand how that works. Aren't blockades an act of war? The justification used was that the tanker was going through Gibraltar's territorial waters, not international waters. Gibraltar, with the aid of the UK, have basically said "you can't use our waters to circumvent our sanctions - that's smuggling" and have offered to release the vessel in exchange for assurances that it won't go to Syria. Up to you how convincing a justification that is.
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Tom Clancy is Dead posted:The justification used was that the tanker was going through Gibraltar's territorial waters, not international waters. Gibraltar, with the aid of the UK, have basically said "you can't use our waters to circumvent our sanctions - that's smuggling" and have offered to release the vessel in exchange for assurances that it won't go to Syria. Thanks, that's helpful.
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Tom Clancy is Dead posted:The justification used was that the tanker was going through Gibraltar's territorial waters, not international waters. Gibraltar, with the aid of the UK, have basically said "you can't use our waters to circumvent our sanctions - that's smuggling" and have offered to release the vessel in exchange for assurances that it won't go to Syria. But smuggling to a 3rd country? I also don't see how it could be legal.
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Tom Clancy is Dead posted:Iran says it siezed a British flagged oil tanker: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/19/british-oil-tanker-reportedly-seized-by-iranian-forces.html My guess is they will hold it until Britain agrees to release the Iranian tanker they grabbed a few weeks ago.
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Count Roland posted:But smuggling to a 3rd country? I also don't see how it could be legal. Especially given Britain's not in a declared war against Syria so it could be argued its waters are technically that of a neutral country's, making its justification illegal too.
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https://twitter.com/BreakingNLive/status/1152291233055805440 https://twitter.com/ConflictsW/status/1152287599064735744 and it's a big one. https://www.balticshipping.com/vessel/imo/9452672 Dante80 fucked around with this message at 20:17 on Jul 19, 2019 |
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Jul 19, 2019 20:14
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Very cool that in this administration it's the State Department that most wants war rather than diplomacy: https://twitter.com/AliAhmadi_Iran/status/1152290913701498882
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:Especially given Britain's not in a declared war against Syria so it could be argued its waters are technically that of a neutral country's, making its justification illegal too. Think of it more like this. The UK has declared sending oil to Syria to be illegal. Oil being sent to Syria in the UK's territorial waters is therefore contraband and can be seized like any other contraband. You don't have to declare war to seize goods if it's in your country's waters and those goods are considered illegal by your country. If Iran declared heroin legal, they still couldn't sail a tanker full of it into the UK's territorial waters without it being seized.
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:Can someone explain how EU sanctions on Syria grant EU nations the legal right to seize Iranian tankers allegedly headed to Syria? I still don't understand how that works. Aren't blockades an act of war? It's okay when the Good Guys do it. Tom Clancy is Dead posted:The justification used was that the tanker was going through Gibraltar's territorial waters, not international waters. Gibraltar, with the aid of the UK, have basically said "you can't use our waters to circumvent our sanctions - that's smuggling" and have offered to release the vessel in exchange for assurances that it won't go to Syria. Gibraltar does not have territorial waters. At least that's the viewpoint of Spain.
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Iran have pretty much figured out that donald trump wont do anything to them until 2020 is over.
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Al-Saqr posted:Iran have pretty much figured out that donald trump wont do anything to them until 2020 is over. It's a good moment to score some hard-liner brownie points in Iran. And loving about in the straits is a lot less detrimental to your health than heading over to Syria.
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Scratch the second one. https://twitter.com/ConflictsW/status/1152309986833420288
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Rent-A-Cop posted:And the UK is a political poo poo-show right now and probably won't do much either. What would we (the UK) even do if we weren't currently hitting our collective national dick with a hammer? Send over our planeless carrier? E: our destroyers that don't work in warm water? ContinuityNewTimes fucked around with this message at 22:01 on Jul 19, 2019 |
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Beg the Yanks to go do something
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If you want to keep the US safe, putting forces back in Saudi Arabia pretty much objectively isn't the way to do it, but here we go again: https://twitter.com/MicahZenko/status/1152389495968415745
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Sinteres posted:If you want to keep the US safe, putting forces back in Saudi Arabia pretty much objectively isn't the way to do it Why?
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1979_Grand_Mosque_seizure
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_withdrawal_from_Saudi_Arabia#Overview Even the Bush Administration thought it was more inflammatory than it was worth to stay there, and depending on who you ask it may have been bin Laden's primary motivation for attacking the US. Dr Kool-AIDS fucked around with this message at 03:28 on Jul 20, 2019 |
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Thanks. Still, they're invited by the Saudi government. Who cares about what some extremists think? Appeasing terrorists is how the Holocaust happened.
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Aziz of Arabia posted:Thanks. yes i'm sure completely ignoring popular sentiment will work out this time
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My dude I'll give you the benefit of the doubt but hating the US is not "popular sentiment" in the Arab peninsula. At least not in Saudia or the UAE, though I admit I haven't visited in the last 5 years. The hate against the US is entirely on the part of extremists, and the reason extremism has flourished is that until recently, the gulf monarchies have kowtowed to them. This is a good move to show the fundamentalists that they no longer have a stranglehold on policy.
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(non-elite) extremists are EXTREMELY aware they don't control poo poo in the middle east. The US trying to control poo poo is less the inside fastball that makes them back off the plate and more the inside fastball that makes them charge the mound.
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Marxist-Jezzinist posted:What would we (the UK) even do if we weren't currently hitting our collective national dick with a hammer? Send over our planeless carrier? Lol Britannia rules the waves
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Aziz of Arabia posted:Thanks. It's tricky. Saudi Arabia is a complicated country. The mosque seizure in 79 really demonstrates how hosed it all is. No non-Muslims are supposed to set foot on holy ground, and the Saudis legitimacy revolves around the idea that they are the legitimate gatekeepers of Mecca.
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A divine right to rule, if you will.
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Tom Clancy is Dead posted:Iran says it siezed a British flagged oil tanker: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/19/british-oil-tanker-reportedly-seized-by-iranian-forces.html At this point, does whoever is in charge of the Iranian Navy want to start an actual war? It'll probably be Operation Praying Mantis 2.0 and at most the US Navy will be embarrassed by losing a token destroyer while all Iranian Navy ships that dare to sortie get pulverised. suck my woke dick fucked around with this message at 09:55 on Jul 20, 2019 |
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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quote:The Trump administration is trying to freeze all Iranian oil exports as part of its policy of maximum economic sanctions designed to force the Iranians to reopen talks on the nuclear deal signed in 2015. Didn't.... Trump personally nix that deal?
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Eschenique posted:Didn't.... Trump personally nix that deal? Yes. But you see the thing is they want a return to the negotiating table so that Trump can wear his special big boy pants and go "I negotiated a better deal than Obama"
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Turkey's massing forces (their own and TFSA) north of Manbij again, and putting them on combat alert. The US still has forces in the area, and Erdogan's always blinked in this situation before, but the new S-400 sale (and resulting US sanctions required by law which Trump hasn't implemented yet and says he doesn't want to) may play a role here. Turkey also seems to be rounding up some number of Syrian refugees in their country for deportation.
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lol, loving Yanks. https://twitter.com/PressTV/status/1152249384710492161
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:lol, loving Yanks. according to US officials there was also a helicopter harassing the ship and it is possible this footage, or some of it, was recorded by that aircraft. I have no idea how you would tell if it was but that's the story.
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