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Drink-Mix Man posted:Hey Oh dear god that's not funny.
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Drink-Mix Man posted:Hey Don’t you put that evil on us
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Jul 23, 2019 04:03
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Hay guys what if control went back in time and became the Borg huh
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Jul 23, 2019 04:19
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Drink-Mix Man posted:Hey The entire show is just Picard talking to people who knew  to try and learn clues on how to deal with this Control threat.
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Jul 23, 2019 04:34
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Picard show actually looks like it could own. Plenty to nitpick if you're so inclined, and they could totally drop the ball still, but the trailer, in contrast to every Discovery trailer, actually inspires hope. That's amazing. That shot of Seven of Nine has inspired me to watch all of Voyager. The only Star Trek series I haven't seen every episode of. How big a mistake am I making? Maybe a long bland "more TNG" style show will be refreshing after things like Discovery (which I do quite like) and modern TV in general.
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Jul 23, 2019 04:47
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Eiba posted:That shot of Seven of Nine has inspired me to watch all of Voyager. The only Star Trek series I haven't seen every episode of. About a quarter of it is really good. The remainder bounces between a soulless copy of TNG and a manila envelope in a beige room.
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Jul 23, 2019 04:57
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Eiba posted:That shot of Seven of Nine has inspired me to watch all of Voyager. The only Star Trek series I haven't seen every episode of. You'll hate yourself but you should watch all if it. Experience bij.
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Jul 23, 2019 05:01
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There's a lot of it that is like unflavored oatmeal, especially in the beginning. I like Voyager, especially specific episodes, but there's a lot of chaff to get through. It was begging to be a serial show and was held back by the apparently absolute requirement that it stay episodic. Not to mention some of the bad ideas they ran with. Also I think once or twice in the last season or two they did a "Previously on Voyager" bit for stuff that was never actually on Voyager. Either that or I missed an episode somewhere and my bad memory has made me think that.
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Jul 23, 2019 05:08
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Eiba posted:Picard show actually looks like it could own. Plenty to nitpick if you're so inclined, and they could totally drop the ball still, but the trailer, in contrast to every Discovery trailer, actually inspires hope. That's amazing. If you liked Discovery, you aren't all that picky so Voyager would be a good watch.
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Jul 23, 2019 05:18
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Peachfart posted:If you liked Discovery, you aren't all that picky so Voyager would be a good watch. Can we please stop with this poo poo? Some people like Discovery and it doesn't mean their tastes are OBJECTIVELY TERRIBLE, it just means they enjoyed an incarnation of a show you didn't.
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Jul 23, 2019 05:33
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both shows are at least as senseless so it's not unreasonable to conclude that if you like you might like the other By volume there are more good hours of Voyager I'm certain
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Jul 23, 2019 05:46
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so I’m watching voyager and  
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Jul 23, 2019 05:51
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Big Mean Jerk posted:so I’m watching voyager and That was pretty neat, always good to have a bit of Borg body horror. They never mention that baby again.
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Jul 23, 2019 05:52
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MikeJF posted:That was pretty neat, always good to have a bit of Borg body horror. He quickly grows up into a 29th century Borg, which is an admittedly interesting premise that I’m sure Voyager will punt sometime in the next 30 minutes.
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Jul 23, 2019 05:54
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Zurui posted:Can we please stop with this poo poo? Some people like Discovery and it doesn't mean their tastes are OBJECTIVELY TERRIBLE, it just means they enjoyed an incarnation of a show you didn't. That's right! As a huge dumbass, I love Voyager.
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Jul 23, 2019 05:59
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Big Mean Jerk posted:He quickly grows up into a 29th century Borg, which is an admittedly interesting premise that I’m sure Voyager will punt sometime in the next 30 minutes. Oh sorry thinking of something else.
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Jul 23, 2019 06:02
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MikeJF posted:Oh sorry thinking of something else. Were you thinking of the Borg baby from Q Who?
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Jul 23, 2019 06:22
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No, he's thinking of "Collective" - Voyager finds a malfunctioning Borg ship where the only survivors are a half-dozen child drones, including an infant. They beam the infant to sickbay and then never mention it again. It's not even a standard Voyager "We never mention the events of this episode again" reset, it literally vanishes from the story between scenes.
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Jul 23, 2019 06:35
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Jesus Christ, Paris is a smug unlikable sexist racist jerk. I remember him being kind of bland, not an irredeemable turbo-rear end in a top hat. Putting aside his overt sexual harassment "womanizing" at work, he just would not stop making racist Indian jokes to Chakotay. His whole character in the pilot is just shockingly off putting. I guess there's a lot about the pilot episode of Voyager that doesn't tonally match the rest of the series. I know I saw this when it first came out at least, but there's so much I don't remember so it should be a fun journey. I'm reminded how much I love the premise. I've heard some opinions to the effect that it should have been a desperate Battlestar Galactica-esque journey, and it is a pity that it wasn't more serialized, but specifically their relative power and comfort I actually really appreciate. This is a state of the art Federation vessel. If they were lounging in luxury conditions their whole journey, it would be cool and good. It's a little island of post-scarcity Utopia on the other side of the galaxy, all by itself. That's cool as heck. I'm making a point of appreciating that premise now, because I remember it being very unevenly explored after this. We've already got our first incredibly awkward attempt at exploring scarcity with water being the scarce resource for warp capable people. I also love the Intrepid class. Putting aside it's association with a "meh" show, I think it's a great little design and scale. It feels cute and snug, like the Orville, and it's a good contrast to the scale and feel of the Galaxy class luxury cruise ship "city in space." Peachfart posted:If you liked Discovery, you aren't all that picky so Voyager would be a good watch. If I just blindly liked bad things I would have appreciated your post more.
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Jul 23, 2019 06:41
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Eiba posted:We've already got our first incredibly awkward attempt at exploring scarcity with water being the scarce resource for warp capable people. In retrospect that was one of the most representative things of the whole pilot. An idea that sounds like it could be reasonable at first glance, but makes zero sense at all if thought about even a little, then is unceremoniously dropped.
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Jul 23, 2019 06:55
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Eiba posted:
Honestly, it should've been smaller. Fifteen decks and a third of a kilometre long for 150 people? So every deck has an average of 3 people on duty every shift? Something more like the Nova would've been better, I reckon. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 07:18 on Jul 23, 2019 |
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Jul 23, 2019 07:11
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I’m about halfway through the list of 7 episodes someone here provided, and uh 7 kinda owns. Jeri Ryan’s great right from the start and this episode where she goes through multiple personalities is a good showcase for her range, even if the plot’s a bit thin. I really want to see Ryan play a Ferengi on some show after she’s done with Picard.
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Jul 23, 2019 07:15
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MikeJF posted:Something more like the Nova would've been better, I reckon. Yeah, Voyager really should have been seven seasons of Star Trek: Equinox.
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Jul 23, 2019 07:51
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Call me easy to please but I'm enjoying most of Voyager. There's a few episodes that are stupid, and some more that are downright bad, but by and large it's pretty inoffensive and sometimes real, real good. I feel like most of the animosity comes from the absolute squandering of the scarcity premise that was focused on so heavily in the beginning (negative eighty five photon torpedoes) and the admittedly larger quantity of boring-to-bad episodes than DS9 or TNG (even though most people admit TNG has a scant few good episodes in seasons 1 and 2 but it gets a pass for that while Voyager doesn't) Like yeah, the show has its problems, but so do all of the Treks. The only sin i can't forgive Voyager for is how terrible Chakotay is, and that's not even entirely the writers' faults, since Beltran openly admitted to phoning it in from seasons 2-7
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Jul 23, 2019 08:00
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MikeJF posted:Honestly, it should've been smaller. Fifteen decks and a third of a kilometre long for 150 people? So every deck has an average of 3 people on duty every shift?
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Jul 23, 2019 08:04
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curiousTerminal posted:and the admittedly larger quantity of boring-to-bad episodes than DS9 or TNG This is the biggest hurdle for me. Even when TNG and DS9 turn in subpar or outright bad episodes you can usually fall back on the crew interactions if you’re looking for something to enjoy. You can’t really say the same for Voyager because everyone other than Ryan and Picardo is phoning it in and none of them have any chemistry with each other to speak of. I’m no stranger to Bad Trek either, I watch and (sometimes) enjoy Disco, and I watched Enterprise religiously as it aired. But even those two have little redeeming moments where either the characters or the plot are interesting enough to hold your attention for more than a few minutes. There’s an inescapable blandness and malaise to 90% of Voyager that just kinda sours the entire experience. Even in these cherry-picked Seven episodes I’m watching, my eyes just start to glaze over anytime someone other than 7, The Doc, or Tuvok is featured. It’s just a ship full of boring characters.
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Jul 23, 2019 08:13
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curiousTerminal posted:Call me easy to please but I'm enjoying most of Voyager. There's a few episodes that are stupid, and some more that are downright bad, but by and large it's pretty inoffensive and sometimes real, real good. I feel like most of the animosity comes from the absolute squandering of the scarcity premise that was focused on so heavily in the beginning (negative eighty five photon torpedoes) and the admittedly larger quantity of boring-to-bad episodes than DS9 or TNG (even though most people admit TNG has a scant few good episodes in seasons 1 and 2 but it gets a pass for that while Voyager doesn't) For me the difference is the number of episodes you’ll just skip on a rewatch as compared to other Trek shows. Voyager has so many more of those.
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Voyager episode 2: Thanks to time shenanigans it turns out Voyager is actually the cause of the Problem of the Week we're investigating! Torres learns about teamwork. Voyager episode 3: Thanks to time shenanigans it turns out Voyager is actually the cause of the Problem of the Week we're investigating! Everyone forgets though and nothing is learned. Voyager episode 4: Nelix gets his loving lungs stolen. This is going to be quite a trip at this rate. Nessus posted:I assume some of those decks would just be like "the power generator (takes up 90% of the deck)" or "the cargo bay" or something. Right??? People give Discovery poo poo for the turbo lift scenes, but it's a drat space ship. Volume is probably not the limiting engineering issue for a ship build in space for space travel. Giant empty areas for experimental modular science poo poo actually kinda makes sense.
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Jul 23, 2019 08:46
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Do people really give Discovery poo poo for conversations happening in turbolifts going long? Like, the time from one deck to another has been the length of an exchange since TOS. gently caress right off.
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Jul 23, 2019 09:20
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Zurui posted:Do people really give Discovery poo poo for conversations happening in turbolifts going long? Like, the time from one deck to another has been the length of an exchange since TOS. gently caress right off.
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Jul 23, 2019 09:23
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Zurui posted:Do people really give Discovery poo poo for conversations happening in turbolifts going long? Like, the time from one deck to another has been the length of an exchange since TOS. gently caress right off. No, the Disco turbolift thing stems from several shots that show the turbolift cars zooming through an absolutely cavernous empty space that makes little physical sense given the size of the ship. It’s pretty ridiculous looking, but it’s ultimately just a bad fx decision.
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Jul 23, 2019 09:25
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https://i.imgur.com/vfmyeBs.mp4 https://i.imgur.com/Lf0yTeR.mp4 WHEEEE
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Jul 23, 2019 09:29
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Grand Fromage posted:In retrospect that was one of the most representative things of the whole pilot. An idea that sounds like it could be reasonable at first glance, but makes zero sense at all if thought about even a little, then is unceremoniously dropped. I mean, it definitely could have been an interesting thing, this race that somehow has shooty spaceships, but so little understanding of science that they don't get how easy it is to get more or less unlimited water from hydrogen, which should be fairly easy with their level of technology. Which then leads to the revelation later on that their entire peoples had been a slave race to the people who built the ships they now use, having risen up against their oppressors and overthrown them, seizing their technology for themselves, but more or less piloting them by rote learning and borderline cargo-cult understanding of what's now their own tech without understanding any of the underlying fundamental principles, which also means said technology is breaking down and deteriorating faster than it should be, because they can't really fix anything serious, which is, obviously, a huge threat to the well-being of their people as a result. Thus giving Voyager an in on a diplomatic angle and possible peace with what they had thought to just be savage thugs. It being Voyager, of course, it actually turned out like frrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrtttt.
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Jul 23, 2019 09:38
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Nessus posted:I assume some of those decks would just be like "the power generator (takes up 90% of the deck)" or "the cargo bay" or something. Right??? Plus shuttlebays, torpedo bays - the impression I always got was that the engineering decks on most ships are all equipment and storage, and the actual livable areas are mostly only in the saucer section.
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Jul 23, 2019 09:43
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Oh yeah. But even so Voyager is ridiculously huge for its size. The D is too but you can get away with it better when it's meant to be self-sustaining for a decade.
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Jul 23, 2019 09:46
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EimiYoshikawa posted:I mean, it definitely could have been an interesting thing, this race that somehow has shooty spaceships, but so little understanding of science that they don't get how easy it is to get more or less unlimited water from hydrogen, which should be fairly easy with their level of technology. The other problem is that space has giant chunks of ice that just move around in it, so they'd probably find those, at least
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Jul 23, 2019 11:41
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drat, Eye of the Needle was good. Great, even. I'm glad there's an honestly fantastic episode just 7 episodes into Voyager, otherwise I might get disheartened by all the prolonged technobabble. The episode was just a series of changing emotional perspectives on their situation, everyone just walks from set to set on the ship and talks, but it comes together so well. Is this episode to Voyager what Duet is to DS9? The Romulan character was fantastic. I kind of want to look up a best of Voyager list, but I'd rather be surprised when the gems turn up. Is Eye of the Needles as well regarded as I think it should be?
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Jul 23, 2019 12:20
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I didn't remember it until you mentioned it, but Eye of the Needle was a decent episode.
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Jul 23, 2019 12:34
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Big Mean Jerk posted:This is the biggest hurdle for me. Even when TNG and DS9 turn in subpar or outright bad episodes you can usually fall back on the crew interactions if you’re looking for something to enjoy. You can’t really say the same for Voyager because everyone other than Ryan and Picardo is phoning it in and none of them have any chemistry with each other to speak of. This is definitely true. Enterprise is probably just as bad as Voyager, but I liked the characters/actors better, and that carried the show for me. Voyager I just got bored with and gave up. Even after 7 joined, it just made it more obvious how boring everyone else was. Eiba posted:drat, Eye of the Needle was good. Great, even. I'm glad there's an honestly fantastic episode just 7 episodes into Voyager, otherwise I might get disheartened by all the prolonged technobabble. I don't remember that episode specifically, but Voyager is the only '90s Trek show that ended up getting worse and worse as it went on, overall.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:so I’m watching voyager and Ko..Kojima-san??!?
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