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More Florence is good https://mobile.twitter.com/Marvel/status/1152752497255157760
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:More Florence is good If anyone hasn’t seen Lady Macbeth she is very very good in it
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# ? Jul 22, 2019 16:32 |
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K. Waste posted:Well, Hostel is more or less about the exact same things as Cannibal Holocaust, just with post-Cold War eastern europeans instead of Amazonian indigenes. Good post, I'm glad I went back four pages instead of three to see it. I like that you wrote out the differences between Wickerman and the film, which I was still thinking of how to explain to people.
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# ? Jul 22, 2019 22:41 |
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Calico Heart posted:The horror in Hereditary works great - perfectly, actually - it just didn't actually need a boring rear end cult demon reveal at the end for any of it to be impactful, and absolutely does detract from what was most enjoyable about the film.# I thought the end was great, after all the tension between Annie and Peter poo poo goes totally loving insane with actual demonic possession. The cult using such a horrible tragedy to their advantage and destroying the family in the process was pretty horrific. It reminded me a lot of the VVitch. Midsommar was fantastic, it totally nailed the feeling of a bad trip and the associated panic attacks.
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# ? Jul 22, 2019 23:20 |
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I never found Herditary's "it was a cult" ending to be out of place. The supernatural element heightens all the themes around mental illness and fate throughout the movie. The family is literally cursed, and it was a curse handed down to them by the grandmother.
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# ? Jul 23, 2019 00:41 |
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Hereditary owns, the ending just ramps up in wildness... Super good movie.
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# ? Jul 23, 2019 11:44 |
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People who didn't like that Hereditary actually panned out to be a demonic horror movie drive me nuts.
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# ? Jul 24, 2019 06:20 |
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The fact that they call it a boring cult "reveal" at that end says a lot. Everything about the movie would indicate it's about ghosts, supernatural forces, demons or whatever. But the people that hate the ending all thought they were really smart for ignoring all of that and going "this is actually about grief! This is about mental illness!" and then were mad when the movie was actually what it presented itself to be. It is about those things, but it's also about demons. The hypothetical smart guy ending about "mankind's psyche being the real horror" or whatever would have sucked dog dick and ruined the movie. That's the way some crappy 90's Ashley Judd thriller would end, not Hereditary.
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# ? Jul 24, 2019 06:34 |
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Hereditary is in a special top ten list of absolutely phenomenal movies I never, ever want to watch again. Shits burned in my brain.
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# ? Jul 24, 2019 06:43 |
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Donovan Trip posted:Hereditary is in a special top ten list of absolutely phenomenal movies I never, ever want to watch again. Shits burned in my brain. O-o-o-o-h YEAH! I remember feeling like I was going to be sick watching that movie.
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# ? Jul 24, 2019 08:58 |
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veni veni veni posted:The fact that they call it a boring cult "reveal" at that end says a lot. Everything about the movie would indicate it's about ghosts, supernatural forces, demons or whatever. But the people that hate the ending all thought they were really smart for ignoring all of that and going "this is actually about grief! This is about mental illness!" and then were mad when the movie was actually what it presented itself to be. It is about those things, but it's also about demons. The hypothetical smart guy ending about "mankind's psyche being the real horror" or whatever would have sucked dog dick and ruined the movie. That's the way some crappy 90's Ashley Judd thriller would end, not Hereditary. I think the objection is really that cults and magic and Paimons aren't as scary as your mom.
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# ? Jul 24, 2019 09:50 |
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porfiria posted:I think the objection is really that cults and magic and Paimons aren't as scary as your mom. Certainly not as scary as your Mom! Heyooooo!
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# ? Jul 24, 2019 10:11 |
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Hereditary reveals that it's about a cult within the first 10 minutes of the movie because that isn't the point of why we're watching or what we're supposed to care about, so I dunno why anyone would be surprised or upset. It would be like watching Midsommar and being surprised and upset that the people in the Hårga ended up being not so nice.
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# ? Jul 24, 2019 17:36 |
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I mean they were "nice" at all times, even the killings were done with respect, care and a kind of affection. They were dangerous but not malicious. Well, maybe the "fool" was treated differently.
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# ? Jul 24, 2019 17:41 |
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Hereditary was so incredibly boring though. Up until that last section rocketed past horror and into humor it was just a slog of gorgeous family drama. I went based off all the trailers that made it out to be a traditional horror movie the whole way through and did not get that.
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# ? Jul 25, 2019 00:20 |
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Len posted:Hereditary was so incredibly boring though. Up until that last section rocketed past horror and into humor it was just a slog of gorgeous family drama. Yowza-bo-bowza, that's certainly an adjective.
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# ? Jul 25, 2019 08:54 |
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not just boring - INCREDIBLY boring lmao
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# ? Jul 25, 2019 13:13 |
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So I just saw this last night. I have been religiously avoiding this thread and rushed back home to read it and discovered there are 900 responses. So before I try to read all 900 here's a weird theory I thought of on the way home. The cult is a hive mind. The intelligence of the hive mind can only run a dozen or so people at 100%, which is why a lot of the other people in the backgrounds are doing very simple, repetitive things, and very few of them are talking. When Dani dances with them she begins to become part of the hive mind. She and another girl begin speaking Swedish to each other, and the girl says something like, "We aren't even speaking, it's the dance." When the women share in her grief they sort of uncertainly cry at first, and then as Dani looks up at them they begin to sync up perfectly with her grief, and some of them seem to be smiling and almost happy at all this screaming and crying. IIRC (I might not) even Dani looks kind of happy when she realizes this. Here at last are people (or something) that will feel with her. She's not a lovely burden to them, she is the May Queen. The hive mind does the same thing in the ritual orgy. All the women are synced up, all moaning and swaying and helping the two copulate. They don't pay a bit of attention to Christian after he's finished because he's completely irrelevant now. He's done what he needed to do. I also speculated that Christian was allowed to live and breed with them because he is the weakest, least proactive, biggest doormat of all the men. His cowardice in just going along and getting along makes him a perfect set of genes to make more weak men who have no drive besides what they are conditioned and told to do. Who runs a hive? The females. Who gets to mate with the queen? A single drone. The other drones are cast out to die. The selected male is allowed to mate, and then it is cast out to die. And who's in charge of the village? Grandmother Siv. Again IIRC we never see a male villager ever make any sort of decision or command. One last thing: At the end, when the commune seems to be experiencing the pain of the burning villagers, some of them are smiling and looking excited and happy while screaming. Perhaps this is the only time some of the "worker bees" get to experience full human sensation and even though it's pain it's still something. Or perhaps they have some sort of near-field telepathy. I got no idea. But this is the strange theory I worked out on the way home while trying to figure out this wonderful, beautiful, dreadful movie. I can't wait to see this again. Oh BTW this was the second movie of a Crawl/Midsommar double feature I went to. Crawl was first, thank God. I'll leave you a one-sentence spoiler review below. Crawl: An immortal woman whose injuries instantly heal is bitten over and over again by 7+foot long alligators while showing no signs outside those particular moments that her arm, leg, and torso have been crushed by alligators.
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# ? Jul 25, 2019 15:54 |
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Thom and the Heads posted:not just boring - INCREDIBLY boring lmao ...sayeth the guy who calls himself Len online.
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# ? Jul 25, 2019 16:02 |
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JonathonSpectre posted:So I just saw this last night. I have been religiously avoiding this thread and rushed back home to read it and discovered there are 900 responses. So before I try to read all 900 here's a weird theory I thought of on the way home. I mean sure, why not.
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# ? Jul 25, 2019 23:39 |
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SidneyIsTheKiller posted:I mean sure, why not. Hahaha, my thoughts exactly.
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# ? Jul 25, 2019 23:47 |
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Well, I hated this movie, but I wasn't that much of a fan of Hereditary either. This was definitely a step down though because Hereditary at least had some interesting themes. The feeling I got watching it was the same one I got watching Hateful Eight: a director with nothing interesting to say hiding behind an overlong, stylish movie. It just feels very hollow, dressed up empty nihilism played for laughs, reveling in cruelty. All the imagery was a sideshow, either for gross-out or shock impact. The complete lack of suspense leaves the audience just like the characters, only along for the unenjoyable, meandering ride to the inevitable end. I usually like digging into movies for subtext and symbolism but this just felt like Aster throwing up a bunch of things he thought looked cool to spruce up a bland story about a lovely relationship with some dime store psychologizing around grief. I mean yes visually it's interesting, well directed, if bloated, but it's not nearly as clever as it thinks it is and just feels obnoxious, unsubtle, and insulting to the audience. I was bored and angry throughout. I don't like when a director shoves an audience up his own rear end with him.
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# ? Jul 26, 2019 03:05 |
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RCarr posted:Hahaha, my thoughts exactly. Yeah it's as valid as anything.
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# ? Jul 26, 2019 03:38 |
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Segue posted:it's not nearly as clever as it thinks it is How clever does the movie think it is?
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# ? Jul 26, 2019 03:40 |
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Olympic Mathlete posted:...sayeth the guy who calls himself Len online. BYOB namechange thread like a decade ago But yeah I wanted to like Hereditary and maybe if I'd gone in knowing the types of movies A24 makes instead of going in thinking the trailers were accurate I would have liked it more. With this I'd seen exactly one trailer the day we went and knew more about what to expect from A24 and really liked it. I keep saying I'll give Hereditary another shot but I don't want to waste my time a second time if it still falls flat.
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# ? Jul 26, 2019 03:49 |
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veni veni veni posted:The fact that they call it a boring cult "reveal" at that end says a lot. Everything about the movie would indicate it's about ghosts, supernatural forces, demons or whatever. But the people that hate the ending all thought they were really smart for ignoring all of that and going "this is actually about grief! This is about mental illness!" and then were mad when the movie was actually what it presented itself to be. It is about those things, but it's also about demons. The hypothetical smart guy ending about "mankind's psyche being the real horror" or whatever would have sucked dog dick and ruined the movie. That's the way some crappy 90's Ashley Judd thriller would end, not Hereditary. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMVrMHQk95s&t=418s
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# ? Jul 26, 2019 04:41 |
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Saw this for the second time and absolutely loved it. Not being in suspense or prolonged dread over what happens really highlights the inherent humor in the movie. It felt like an elegant homage to campy slashers: friends go mysteriously missing one by one with the flimsiest explanations for their absence! Everyone has too much petty internal poo poo going on to pay attention to ill omens, AND they're just unlikable enough that you don't care if they die! Every death is blatantly telegraphed in in-universe visuals! A dude is bludgeoned to death with a hammer by three people who take turns! The cult sex! THERE'S A FOOT STICKING OUT OF THE GROUND! The movie has tremendous aesthetic currency that serves as beautiful window dressing to some really madcap comedy. I appreciate it as a thriller and as #art but I think it’s undeniably very, like, 1980s slasher. It’s delightful.
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# ? Jul 26, 2019 06:57 |
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When Christian eats the pube, one of his friends say "hair pie" and I couldn't stop thinking about Revenge of the Nerds for the rest of the movie.
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# ? Jul 26, 2019 07:13 |
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Does this guy know he's making hilarious films? Would he be angry that I laughed a lot during this and so did most of the rest of the audience?
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# ? Jul 26, 2019 08:21 |
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Unkempt posted:Does this guy know he's making hilarious films? Would he be angry that I laughed a lot during this and so did most of the rest of the audience? Probably not.
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# ? Jul 26, 2019 10:46 |
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Unkempt posted:Does this guy know he's making hilarious films? Would he be angry that I laughed a lot during this and so did most of the rest of the audience? yeah he's said multiple times that he likes laughter as a reaction and the humour is very intentional.
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# ? Jul 26, 2019 12:57 |
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are people just not familiar with horror comedies?
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# ? Jul 26, 2019 13:13 |
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i think the only time the audience laughed in my showing was the mpreg scene.
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# ? Jul 26, 2019 14:50 |
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I think whether or not it's "supposed" to be funny doesn't really make it a good choice. People can laugh at a scene in the wrong way if they the comedy is super lame/inappropriate. veni veni veni posted:The fact that they call it a boring cult "reveal" at that end says a lot. Everything about the movie would indicate it's about ghosts, supernatural forces, demons or whatever. But the people that hate the ending all thought they were really smart for ignoring all of that and going "this is actually about grief! This is about mental illness!" and then were mad when the movie was actually what it presented itself to be. It is about those things, but it's also about demons. The hypothetical smart guy ending about "mankind's psyche being the real horror" or whatever would have sucked dog dick and ruined the movie. That's the way some crappy 90's Ashley Judd thriller would end, not Hereditary. You're kind of intentionally missing the point. The movie obviously has supernatural poo poo going on from the get-go, and they work well heightening the psychological aspects of the rest of the movie. They key point being "working together"" - by the ending we are, sorry, watching a boring cult do boring cult poo poo. When people say "the movie is about grief" they're saying that's what the movie does well. It's what it spends a huge amount of it's screentime on and what it revels in. The supernatural stuff at the end is the culmination of what's come before but considering the buildup it's a wet fart. No one on earth said the movie should be free of supernatural elements or that it should completely be a psychological horror, just that the cult poo poo is boring and presented in a boring way, which it is, sorry. By the end of Hereditary how are you meant to feel besides shrugging and saying "so?" Which is also what a lot of folks have been saying about the ending of Midsommar. Calico Heart fucked around with this message at 15:35 on Jul 26, 2019 |
# ? Jul 26, 2019 15:28 |
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Can you explain what you wanted from the ending of Hereditary? The finale, which involves a rapidly deteriorating Peter being stalked by his grief-addled mother and the toxic cult enabling her, is a lot of things but I wouldn’t call it dull.
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# ? Jul 26, 2019 15:52 |
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Paragon8 posted:yeah he's said multiple times that he likes laughter as a reaction and the humour is very intentional. Yeah he’s talked about it in most interviews I’ve heard. There’s literally a comic relief character in the movie so it’s not even exactly subtle. Calico Heart posted:I think whether or not it's "supposed" to be funny doesn't really make it a good choice. People can laugh at a scene in the wrong way if they the comedy is super lame/inappropriate. I don’t know if cults are as universally perceived as boring as you think they are, and the cult in Hereditary has very little screen time “doing cult things” so I imagine a lot of people itt just legitimately have no idea what you’re talking about.
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# ? Jul 26, 2019 16:00 |
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it's weird to call the cult poo poo boring when i found it the most effective part. i said it in the hereditary thread but the movie was so effective the scariest thing to me was a photo album of the cult having normal party devoted to something monstrously horrific.
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# ? Jul 26, 2019 16:08 |
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Groovelord Neato posted:it's weird to call the cult poo poo boring when i found it the most effective part. i said it in the hereditary thread but the movie was so effective the scariest thing to me was a photo album of the cult having normal party devoted to something monstrously horrific. this was my reaction as well. the cult is scary because of the mundane ways in which it exerts its influence. they aren’t black-clad figures who keep to the shadows but smiling “normal people” who infiltrate your life and pervert all of the social structures you might have turned to. you can’t trust your friends. you can’t trust your family. you can’t trust your support group. midsommar relies on the same kind of daylight horror. the tension comes from the audience slowly realizing the extent of the cult’s power over those trapped in its clutches. QuoProQuid fucked around with this message at 16:48 on Jul 26, 2019 |
# ? Jul 26, 2019 16:45 |
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I found both this and Hereditary to be more foreboding-funny than scary, particularly with the ironically-jubilant endings and the giddy violence. The moments of horror are almost more like gleeful twists in a soap opera where you’re like “ohhhhh poo poo lmao”. I spent a lot of this movie grinning because it’s just fun to see things like the attestupa or the murder suicide done so fearlessly, and it’s kind of hard for me to imagine someone reeling with terror from those scenes (though, much like comedy, horror is different for everyone).
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The ‘cult poo poo’ was the best part of the movie.
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