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Freaking Crumbum posted:i don't know if anyone else has had this experience, but it's absolutely insane how american evangelicalism has become a blatant death-cult. the real lol is that you haven't carbon monoxided your lovely boomer parents yet
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Epic High Five posted:ur not allowed to talk about how the nay-saying conservative mouthpieces were wrong about everything, only about how this time they're certainly right tbf i did see one thing from like a year or so ago about how seattle daycare operations were gonna probably hafta raise prices, since most of their overhead is labor costs but point me to literally any city that has JOBS ECONOMY which isn't seeing childcare costs spiraling right alongside rents regardless of to what degree they're exploiting the workers responsible for babbies. they just desperately wanna blame that on a mandatory $3/hr raise
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:tbf i did see one thing from like a year or so ago about how seattle daycare operations were gonna probably hafta raise prices, since most of their overhead is labor costs lol childcare costs are ballooning like crazy to the point where it costs more a month than a full time job will bring in, while labor is part of it I'm sure I cannot for a second imagine there's more going on there
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seriously also it's loving journalistic malpractice that they're not all "whoa wait since when is a licensed childcare facility paying their workers minimum wage" a lotta the time these places hafta offer significantly reduced or free admission for the kids of their employees, because otherwise they wouldn't be able to afford it on what they pay them
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i would assume that a daycare's operating costs run roughly 5% wages 5% rent 90% whatever insurance covers someone else's kid pissing in your electrical sockets
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Jul 25, 2019 20:58
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:a lotta the time these places hafta offer significantly reduced or free admission for the kids of their employees, because otherwise they wouldn't be able to afford it on what they pay them my older brother's wife quit her job as a middle manager in retail to go be a teacher at her kid's pre-school because they did the math and figured out the savings in tuition + minimal hourly / salary was still a net gain for their family over her continuing to work at separate job + pay for childcare for two kids. A Wizard of Goatse posted:90% whatever insurance covers someone else's kid pissing in your electrical sockets it's this. any business that primarily deals with children has insane insurance rates
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"If you guys pay janitors more, I'm going to throw a goddamn hissy fit, because what the hell, that makes me sooooooooo mad"
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My county proactively voted to raise the minimum to $15/hour, the state legislature promptly passed a law prohibiting cities and counties from establishing a min wage. Party of freedom.
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Epic High Five posted:lol childcare costs are ballooning like crazy to the point where it costs more a month than a full time job will bring in, while labor is part of it I'm sure I cannot for a second imagine there's more going on there My 2 kids in daycare costs over $1600/month and I live in goddamn Kansas.
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Jul 25, 2019 21:34
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Epic High Five posted:lol childcare costs are ballooning like crazy to the point where it costs more a month than a full time job will bring in, while labor is part of it I'm sure I cannot for a second imagine there's more going on there just ballparking it...i think the daycare my kid attends, maybe 30% of what i am charged is paying for the labor (and benefits) of the teachers in the classroom, but that doesnt account for the admin staff, rent and insurance.
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Jul 25, 2019 21:35
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Ghostnuke posted:My 2 kids in daycare costs over $1600/month quote:and I live in goddamn Kansas.
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Ghostnuke posted:I live in goddamn Kansas. Have you considered cross-posting in the Schadenfreude thread?
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Ghostnuke posted:My 2 kids in daycare costs over $1600/month and I live in goddamn Kansas. lmao hatchi matchi
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it's small solace in the grand scheme of things, but this warms my heart Ghostnuke posted:My 2 kids in daycare costs over $1600/month and I live in goddamn Kansas. you know what would fix that? a nice, fat tax cut* *to the rich
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my buddy has a church near him that does free daycare with limited times and complains about all the deprogramming he has to do as a result but like, he still couldn't afford daycare if his pay was doubled and he can't quit so what can he do
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Epic High Five posted:my buddy has a church near him that does free daycare with limited times and complains about all the deprogramming he has to do as a result but like, he still couldn't afford daycare if his pay was doubled and he can't quit so what can he do this is according to their plan
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got any sevens posted:this is according to their plan ya lol, can't imagine they have to like be licensed or insured or anything like that either so there's always the risk your kid is being shuffled into an abuse mill
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Ghostnuke posted:My 2 kids in daycare costs over $1600/month and I live in goddamn Kansas. in silicon valley we were paying $2k for one kid
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Hi all. I quit my job about 5 years ago to take care of my daughter full time, and recognize that I am insanely lucky to be married to someone who earns enough that I don't need a job. I spent three years doing lovely warehouse work before that for a company that gave me bullshit reasons why they could never give me a raise. Daycare around here, on average, would have been about 2/3s of my take home pay. Anyway, they had to hire two people to do the job I was doing alone. Congrats on saving yourself that fifty cents an hour or whatever, former employer.
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Jul 25, 2019 22:07
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FMguru posted:Most people "like" their health insurance because they haven't (yet) had to engage it over something expensive. They get their checkups and the flu shots paid for, a colorful newsletter full of wellness tips arrives in their mailbox every so often, and they have the peace-of-mind knowing that they're "covered" if something really bad goes wrong. Of course, once something serious and expensive happens, the insurance companies reveal their true demonic faces, but until then, as far as most people are concerned, everything is working great. It's funny seeing people like this smugly tell me that the minute $15 per hour, all of the workers will be replaced by machines. For extra fun, mention what's stopping their job from being replaced as well. You'll either get rabid ranting or a list of reasons that you could easily train a robot to do in a day
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Burt Sexual posted:My county proactively voted to raise the minimum to $15/hour, the state legislature promptly passed a law prohibiting cities and counties from establishing a min wage. Party of freedom. North Carolinian spotted
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Jul 25, 2019 22:15
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lol if you have kids, just lol
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having a child is the ultimate betrayal, the absolute worst thing you could ever, ever do to another person is bringing them into this shitfest of a world. i say this as a parent 100% unironically.
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you: will die of a goon induced heart attack your grandchildren: will have to flee rising tides while dodging capture from slavewranglers to compete in Barron Trump’s Live Action Battle Royales
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Biplane posted:having a child is the ultimate betrayal, the absolute worst thing you could ever, ever do to another person is bringing them into this shitfest of a world. i say this as a parent 100% unironically. 
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*goons erupting from woodwork* IMAGINE THE EVIL OF BUSTING IN A FEMALE
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Biplane posted:having a child is the ultimate betrayal, the absolute worst thing you could ever, ever do to another person is bringing them into this shitfest of a world. i say this as a parent 100% unironically.
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Biplane posted:having a child is the ultimate betrayal, the absolute worst thing you could ever, ever do to another person is bringing them into this shitfest of a world. i say this as a parent 100% unironically. quote:Man hands on misery to man.
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:*goons erupting from woodwork* IMAGINE THE EVIL OF BUSTING IN A FEMALE i prefer being busted inside instead yes
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pseudanonymous posted:https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2018/aug/03/bernie-s/did-conservative-study-show-big-savings-bernie-san/ This is sort of what I was looking for but was hoping to find a reliable source/study that says "this is what you pay in premiums and deductibles" and "this is what you pay in taxes under M4A". It would maybe be higher for an individual under a national plan but when you factor in people who get crushed with ER visits and surgeries and poo poo, I'd tend to think that per capita it would be lower. ? I commute 45 - 60 minutes to and from work and have had job offers much closer to home that don't offer healthcare coverage so, with an 8 year old son, it's a non starter for me and it pisses me off. I'd take a lower wage not to have waste 10 hours and $80 bucks a week driving. Doctor Spaceman posted:American public (ie government) spending on healthcare per capita is currently roughly the same as in countries that actually have UHC. So pretty much the same. You have a source?
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you gotta have kids in order to keep the economy running but the economy is so bad that having kids is financially impossible so you don't have kids and suddenly there's no one to work the jobs and there goes social security lol capitalism is doomed to eat itself
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:*goons erupting from woodwork* IMAGINE THE EVIL OF BUSTING IN A FEMALE Get a vasectomy and buy a sports car. Or, I guess, rent if you aren't a straight white male.
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My Trump voting father died of a brain cancer about a month ago. Thinking about his life, it occurs to me that he led the archetypal life of a boomer. He was born into a family supported by a union electrician who later went on to become a union president. The decent wages and conditions allowed my grandfather to live in a nice house and send my father to college for engineering, the first in our family. My father's relationship with his own father became more strained as he headed into management later in life and as the Republican party stopped pretending to play nice with union workers. My father appears to have always been right wing, but began to transform into a boomer chud in the age of Reagan. He never seems to have bought fully into the more esoteric Republican beliefs on voodoo economics or cutting all regulations. He was mostly a single issue voter, and that single issue was guns. Culture war issues were a useful cudgel to aggravate the libs but held no real animus for him. During the early 1990s the company he spend 20 years working for was bought out by another company and he was laid off as redundant. It was the obvious conclusion to everything Reagan's economy embodied. He was able to find another job in local government that he held until a few years before he died. The working conditions were better and the benefits were light years ahead. None of this had any effect on his shallowly considered belief that governments needed to be cut down and that the free market could handle it better. I watched him transform further during the 1990s as a result of the Contract with America and the explosion Rush Limbaugh and Fox News. No longer would he consider political views outside of the pre-scripted talking points. For someone going through their own teenage political formation, it made earnest conversation all but impossible. The Bush years were banner years, sort of. All of the ideals he should have loved were politically ascendant but he never seemed satisfied with it. He was not terribly pleased with the invasion of Iraq even if he was fine with Afghanistan. In the 2008 primary he bafflingly chose to vote for Fred Thompson. The election of Obama broke his political will and from then on he just seemed sullen and bitter on the subject of politics. He never seemed to like Trump and thought he was an idiot. He voted for him, though. Anything to see Clinton eat poo poo on a national stage. In some ways it was not as dire as it sounds. All the Limbaugh in the world couldn't break his love for his family and he supported my brother and me through mistakes that flew against the conservative mindset. He also loved babies and had a great relationship with his grandchildren. I will miss him despite the fact that our conversations needed to be carefully cultivated to avoid politics. I think this is true of many boomers and their children.
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Ghostnuke posted:My 2 kids in daycare costs over $1600/month and I live in goddamn Kansas.
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im gonna have my 3rd kid in a few months. if i have to live through this poo poo, i have to punish others to do so as well
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Charles 2 of Spain posted:Holy shitballs America and now consider that the daycare workers taking care of those kids for that money can't make ends meet because they're getting paid minimum wage.
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Charles 2 of Spain posted:Holy shitballs America Yeah even though healthy, happy societies tend to have their populations stabilize rather than exponentially grow forever, I genuinely think with some proper-rear end family benefits we might see more childbirths in the US. It's fuckin' hard to have kids here.
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BiggerBoat posted:This is sort of what I was looking for but was hoping to find a reliable source/study that says "this is what you pay in premiums and deductibles" and "this is what you pay in taxes under M4A". It would maybe be higher for an individual under a national plan but when you factor in people who get crushed with ER visits and surgeries and poo poo, I'd tend to think that per capita it would be lower. The problem is it's not in any powerful groups interest to do the study correctly. Both Corporatist Democrats and basically all Republicans are owned by the insurance industry. And they, in turn, have tremendous influence over the think tanks. The fact that it's cheaper and has better outcomes in virtually every country with Universal Health care tells you most of what you need to know: https://www.healthsystemtracker.org...milar-countries But as to who would be taxed, that depends on how regressive or progressive is the law that pays for it.
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