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LifeLynx posted:This is what WotC has always wanted. A judge started a class action lawsuit, which uh, good intentions maybe, maybe not, but it's responsible for Hasbro/WotC panicking and dismantling organized play in the most disorganized way possible. when did that happen? and what does it mean to dismantle organized play? no more tournaments? that seems bad long term.
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Jul 27, 2019 23:34
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:I mean, it does sound like a company union, in that it's probably a sham entity created by Hasbro to evade prosecution for labor law violations uh, aren't company unions explicitly illegal in the us? yes yes i know lol at the idea that labor laws are ever enforced, but this is a bit explicit
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smertrioslol posted:Yes, you will pay WotC minimum wage while judging Paying WotC your money to answer the #4568th question about Opalescence is a form of financial domination.
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Jul 27, 2019 23:38
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A big flaming stink posted:uh, aren't company unions explicitly illegal in the us? Yes, which is why "employee involvement programs" that skirt around the letter of the law and create the superficial appearance of worker empowerment without actually addressing key grievances about labor and compensation came into being.
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from a reddit post:quote:From judge discord: obviously take this with a dumptruck of salt, but if it is true holy poo poo this is perhaps one of the worst ideas they've ever had
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Arivia posted:Paying WotC your money to answer the #4568th question about Opalescence is a form of financial domination. Excuse me you're actually getting financially stepped on by ~unknown organization~ here and definitely for sure not WotC.
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Kurtofan posted:when did that happen? and what does it mean to dismantle organized play? no more tournaments? that seems bad long term. It was basically brushed under the rug. A judge started a class action lawsuit that was basically "treat us like employees!" which followed the lawsuit where a judge sued because he was upset that he didn't get the same judge foils at a GP as higher level judges. WotC's response to that one was to stop giving judge promos to everyone and instead make judges vote for which of them got promos. Which of course led to favoritism and judges who have more fellow judges in their area getting rewarded differently, but hey, WotC's hands were clean. So it was no surprise when WotC's answer to the class action suit was to delay it for as long as possible and deny judges an outlet for pretty much everything. Judges aren't "required" anymore at store level events, so if a store declines to get adequate staff for an event, that's not WotC's fault. All actual staffing for Magic Fests is done by Channel Fireball. The organized play system was revamped haphazardly to downplay the role of and need for judges. No more PPTQs means no more necessary level 2+ judges for an event. I didn't join the class action, but I was in the chat for it, and there was never any news. There's no longer any grounds for complaints because all the things that WotC should have treated us like employees for are things we're no longer required to do... except maybe the mandatory annual test to keep your certification, which is probably taken care of with the Judge Academy. Arena requires no staff to run beyond an IT team and intern programmers, so it's perfect for them. (I Am Not A Lawyer, this is just what I understand from talking to other judges for years.) LifeLynx fucked around with this message at 20:11 on Jul 28, 2019 |
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eagerly awaiting monday and all of the future backstepping and attempts at damage control this will bring
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So it sounds like you're saying "get the judge foils you need now because who even knows how they'll be sent out in the future"?
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A big flaming stink posted:from a reddit post: That was an obvious joke buddy.
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ItBreathes posted:That was an obvious joke buddy. I can confirm those prices and judge foil packets were not a joke.
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Elyv posted:hogaak only got one copy into t8, guess it was overblown who could've predicted, and as soon as eldraine is released hogaak will be forgotten and y'all will cry about some new hot deck for the three months it's viable
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One copy of hogaak in the top 8 doesn't sound bad, but the most played card is leyline of the void and a bunch of decks are maindecking it. It's too fast and powerful for modern to be a t3.5 format. Where's neoform at? It seems like it would be great against a field stacked against graveyard decks
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ilmucche posted:One copy of hogaak in the top 8 doesn't sound bad, but the most played card is leyline of the void and a bunch of decks are maindecking it. It's too fast and powerful for modern to be a t3.5 format. This is a result of variance. Hogaak had the highest winrate of all the major decks at the tournament.
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IANAL but don't class actions usually refer to a specific period, and changes implemented by the company after they're filed don't impact them?
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tqilamknbrd posted:who could've predicted, and as soon as eldraine is released hogaak will be forgotten and y'all will cry about some new hot deck for the three months it's viable My coin lands on heads 55% of the time and it came up tails 7 times in a row! Probability is bullshit!
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Jul 28, 2019 01:30
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Jund gets the most decks in the top 8. It's back baby! Unban Deathrite
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GoutPatrol posted:Jund gets the most decks in the top 8. It's back baby! reban bloodbraid elf
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Jul 28, 2019 01:40
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Tom Clancy is Dead posted:IANAL but don't class actions usually refer to a specific period, and changes implemented by the company after they're filed don't impact them? Not a lawyer but from what I remember from the Opening Arguments podcast: A class action lawsuit is a lawsuit where the plaintiff is a "class" of individuals, filed over an issue that affected all of the individuals that signed onto the class action suit. For courtroom purposes the lawfirm/lawyers representing the plaintiff(s) choose a small sample of the "class" to be representatives for the whole to give testimony and/or be present at proceedings. There's some other specific things about them I don't recall but that's the gist of it. Cernunnos fucked around with this message at 02:23 on Jul 28, 2019 |
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Jul 28, 2019 02:11
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ilmucche posted:One copy of hogaak in the top 8 doesn't sound bad, but the most played card is leyline of the void and a bunch of decks are maindecking it. It's too fast and powerful for modern to be a t3.5 format. not many people ran it and less than 50% made day 2. neoform is super inconsistent and folds to any sort of interaction. it's frustrating to lose to but hard to run hot enough to carry more than a 5 round mtgo league
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Jul 28, 2019 02:22
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Personally I'm just glad the free ride for those smug judges has ended.
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salt shakeup posted:Personally I'm just glad the free ride for those smug judges has ended. finally the money goes to people that deserve it: those hard-working marketing consultants billing hasbro
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tqilamknbrd posted:who could've predicted, and as soon as eldraine is released hogaak will be forgotten and y'all will cry about some new hot deck for the three months it's viable It had way too high of a day 2 conversion rate, what did the top 8 do to beat it and how can Hogaak adapt to that?
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:It had way too high of a day 2 conversion rate, what did the top 8 do to beat it and how can Hogaak adapt to that? They won more matches of limited, mostly. Three 6-3-1 players made top 8, going 12-3-1 (6-0 limited) to beat out a bunch of players at 21 match points or better, which you can see on reddit below: https://old.reddit.com/r/ModernMagic/comments/cimzii/modern_deck_performance_mc_iv/ 28 of the 72 decks that finished that high were some form of Hogaak deck, for a 39% 21+ point share. Practically speaking? The best way for Hogaak to adapt from here is to be played exclusively in tournaments that do NOT feature limited rounds.
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55% winrate on 20% of the field probably gets you around 2 top 8 berths expected as well, so it's not like having only 1 is some insane statistical aberration.
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It really feels like Wizards is trying to phase out organized play like PTs and GPs.
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Entropic posted:It really feels like Wizards is trying to phase out organized play like PTs and GPs. So I was thinking such; having competitive play being done through Arena is cheaper and better for viewers, but I hadn't considered the idea that they'd also want to do so to avoid the issue of the judge program, a vital backbone to organized play that has been more-or-less free because they got paid in product, thought there's no untangling the two impetuses at this point. Either way, yes. I'd be willing to bet paper magic becomes casual until (if) it becomes unprofitable.
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I think Arena is WotC's big plan for tournaments from now on. Far easier to organize, no need for as much space, more universally accessible, and far easier to watch on streams. It wouldn't surprise me at all if high-level sanctioned paper tournaments began to be phased out. I doubt they'll ever stop making paper product though; it's far too popular and there's a lot of money to be made there for those of us who still like playing at an LGS level, be it casually or FNMs/local tournaments.
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Jul 28, 2019 05:18
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Eej posted:Also you can't cheat in Arena *Furiously clicks cat.*
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What was the cat-clicking thing, like does it actually affect the other player somehow when you click on it? I had assumed that all the clicking of cats / gargoyles / scorpions / whatever was purely client-side on your screen only and had no effect whatsoever on the other player, it would be hilarious to learn I'm wrong about that.
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Jul 28, 2019 05:41
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The cat colour updated as fast as you could click it and people with ancien laptops would get FPS lagged so hard they couldn't play
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Entropic posted:did Limited Resources just not post an episode this week? They're usually a bit late on the weeks during a protour since Marshall and Louis usually record it their hotel room after the tournament.
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Eej posted:Also you can't cheat in Arena Also you don't have to watch people shuffle and flick their hand every second of the tournament.
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My goal in life is to become a hikikomori.
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watching coverage and every time they say "Wrenn and S--" i think they're going to end with "timpy"
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Elyv posted:55% winrate on 20% of the field probably gets you around 2 top 8 berths expected as well, so it's not like having only 1 is some insane statistical aberration. Not just that, but 6 matches are based on their Modern Horizons draft record. EDIT: Looks like the deck rankings came out: https://magic.wizards.com/en/events/coverage/2019MC4/24-27-modern-match-point-decklists-2019-07-28 11/20 were Hoogak oryx fucked around with this message at 12:47 on Jul 28, 2019 |
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