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BioEnchanted posted:Worf complains about the dress uniforms looking like dresses at one point, which felt out of place. Mostly because at that point in the show, they don't even look like dresses anymore.  Like, how short are dresses where you come from, Worf? The earlier uniforms were the dress-looking ones.  That line upset me greatly as a child. What, are we to expect this is some sort of magic dress uniform? I certainly hope someone got fired for that blunder.
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Powered Descent posted:Got to disagree with you on this one. It might just be due to the crappy pre-restoration VHS version I saw as a kid, but I always saw Talos IV as having a turquoisey, two-strip technicolor look to it. I think I even praised the episode in the Disco thread for getting the planet's color scheme right (even if the effect is kind of cranked up to 11). It’s blue toned, but a good bit more subtly than Disco’s version   
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The Bloop posted:Dynamic! Exciting! Absolutely bonkers! In defense of DISCO which I haven't watched, I don't mind a Star Trek show being more experimental with it's direction so long as it makes sense if that makes any logical sense.
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skasion posted:It’s blue toned, but a good bit more subtly than Disco’s version well fair enough, I'm not a fan of disco's stylistic choice specifically then. love that matte painting of talos in the cage in the background
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Mooseontheloose posted:In defense of DISCO which I haven't watched, I don't mind a Star Trek show being more experimental with it's direction so long as it makes sense if that makes any logical sense. Totally same, but many experiments fail It was just cranked to warp 11
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That first background screams "Ok lighting crew, rip out all the R02 and Bastard Amber and throw some powder blue and aqua green into the mix"
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I couldn't even make it through the first episode of Discovery because the camera was so hyperactive. Combined with the lens flare, my eyes/brain could never really comprehend the size and shape of any of the rooms on the ship.
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Kinda reminds me of how other Star Treks borrow heavily aesthetically from whatever other shows or TV that are popular at the time. DS9 and Babylon 5 were drinking from the same well, and a lot of Enterprise is remeniscent of Stargate. Discovery has a lot of the same cinematography that bugged me enough to keep me from getting into the Expanse. You can't have bright lights and dim lighting at the same time. mehall posted:So I don't have much issue with most of what you said, though whilst all the points you made are definitely accurate points to talk about the cinematography, I just don't have much issue with them personally. Not every fight needs to be a modern choreography kung fu spectacular though. So much of modern cinematography has gotten up its own rear end about making fights that look cool that they've gotten miles away from what any real fight would look like. It just feels dumb trying to cover up how they didn't have enough time/money to make it look even more dumb. You can get a lot more weight by just cutting duration in half or more instead of stretching out half a minute on people rolling around. There are some great fight scenes out there, but if you're already trying to cut down on your expenses, there should be no shame in reducing a scene into a couple punches and a little weird grappling instead of flashing the camera around like a maniac afraid that people might see what's on the screen. BioEnchanted posted:Worf complains about the dress uniforms looking like dresses at one point, which felt out of place. Klingon uniforms aren't particularly non-dresslike either.
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SlothfulCobra posted:There are some great fight scenes out there, but if you're already trying to cut down on your expenses, there should be no shame in reducing a scene into a couple punches and a little weird grappling instead of flashing the camera around like a maniac afraid that people might see what's on the screen. 
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the 60s seemed like a wild time, you just went with it baby
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Lester Shy posted:I couldn't even make it through the first episode of Discovery because the camera was so hyperactive. Combined with the lens flare, my eyes/brain could never really comprehend the size and shape of any of the rooms on the ship. I like Discovery but that first episode was practically impossible to follow.
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piratepilates posted:
Imagine getting out of the shower and padding across this room. Imagine the reflections.
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Expanse looks vastly superior to Disco as well as being better in pretty much every other way. If Disco is trying to ape it, it’s bad at it.
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Living in such dim spaces would probably drive everyone into a depression, plus all the eye strain making folks irritable from the constant headaches.
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I still love that the commercial for the video game tie-in to Into Darkness had William Shatner and some guy in a Gorn costume reenact this fight.
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:Living in such dim spaces would probably drive everyone into a depression, plus all the eye strain making folks irritable from the constant headaches. Not if you're from the mirror universe! Which was a stupid explanation on the first place, made stupider by the lack of any change after that revelation
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skasion posted:It’s blue toned, but a good bit more subtly than Disco’s version If you're going to get pedantic about lighting not matching the 1960s shots then you probably want to start with the fact that in that first photo Talos IV apparently has multiple suns close to the horizon casting those shadows. Or you know, you could accept that they aren't trying to replicate obvious stage lighting.
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frickin see more skin on this guy than you do any cardassian in the whole show. ffs
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:Living in such dim spaces would probably drive everyone into a depression, plus all the eye strain making folks irritable from the constant headaches. It's the bit that annoys me about people complaining about the D being comfortable or TOS being bright. Yeah, no poo poo, people have to live on these things for years. The D was designed so people would live in it for a decade or so in happiness. I remember a while back looking a what they did for designing the South Pole base where they needed to make a building for two hundred people to stay in for six months of darkness without them going crazy, and it looked remarkably TOS-like. Bright spaces with lots of giant slabs of color in the corridors. Everyone in winterover getting their own tiny room instead of bigger bunk rooms, because having that personal space is important to staying sane. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 04:08 on Jul 29, 2019 |
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Star Trek: Experience Beige
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Beige, or...?
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If I were in space for a long time, I'd want lots of plants.
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Arglebargle III posted:Star Trek: Experience Beige 
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He puts the B.J. in Bij
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The is no 'I' in 'Kleangon', BROTHER!
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Pick posted:frickin see more skin on this guy than you do any cardassian in the whole show. ffs Please spooncleavage is Iconic. 
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Arglebargle III posted:Star Trek: Experience Beige Mods!
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When the Expanse went all loopy zoomy twisty with the camera, it tended to be in low gravity and to communicate how disorientating space is. There was a point. There was still plenty of standard shot scenes that trusted the script and the performances to keep the audience engaged. Unfortunately Discos script is poo poo and the actors aren’t, for the most part, very good, so the whole thing ends up looking like the editor just got onto their first NLE during an internship at MTV in 1995. Also, they do it because they think your stupid.
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MikeJF posted:It's the bit that annoys me about people complaining about the D being comfortable or TOS being bright. Yeah, no poo poo, people have to live on these things for years. The D was designed so people would live in it for a decade or so in happiness.
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Wrong, the actors on Discovery are very good.
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I really, really want to see Michael Burnham go for at least a few consecutive episodes without being teary-eyed though. Sonequa Martin-Green is fantastic and has a wide range, and yet I feel like every other DISCO episode has her getting super welled up about one thing or another. But otherwise yeah, DISCO has many faults but the strength of its actors is generally not one of them. Tyler's not great, but I don't know enough about Shazad Latif to be able to say whether or not that's more a result of the acting or of bad writing (which DISCO is definitely guilty of).
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Pick posted:I agree that it sucks but I blame more of that on the sort of poo poo y'all threw money at (marvel movies). like I think every other shot of Thor in the original was a dootch anglae To be fair, Thor (the movie) often gets called out specifically on that. I don't mind Disco's visual style, kinda like it even with the heavy dark/light contrasts, but the unnecessary camera movement is just loving bonkers. Aside from twisting and spinning through perfectly serene scenes, they do that thing where the camera is always moving a little, to mimic docu-style handheld, and sometimes I just wanna grab both ends of my TV and yell HOLD STILL into the screen.
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piratepilates posted:The other stylistic choice that really gets to me is how many scenes end up bathed in harsh light, and again this is usually scenes of people discussing something boring in a completely pedestrian manner. It looks like the crew should be walking around wearing sunglasses all the time, at least have some blinds drawn when you have the ship parked right next to a glaring sun. Excellent post all around, but I want to point out that the absurd lighting also looks fakey and underdone/ENHANCED as hell and draws attention to how fakey everything else is. What has consistently prevented me from bothering with Discovery is how loving tacky it looks, let alone all the terrible poo poo I hear about the plot. Abramstrek was ten years ago, it's depressing watching this show make a poor showing of aping it.
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Pastamania posted:Also, they do it because they think FTFY. I hate fight choreography that has one person against many foes, most of whom stand there doing nothing but waiting for their cue to attack, and it's so obvious. Like Batman should be dead a thousand times. Rey, too, in The Last Jedi. Or in the Picard trailer, the fight on the steps looks awful. https://youtu.be/Ja8cHYtF8n4
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Drone posted:I really, really want to see Michael Burnham go for at least a few consecutive episodes without being teary-eyed though. Sonequa Martin-Green is fantastic and has a wide range, and yet I feel like every other DISCO episode has her getting super welled up about one thing or another. Once Spock shows up it’s like every episode until the finale
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Snorb posted:I still love that the commercial for the video game tie-in to Into Darkness had William Shatner and some guy in a Gorn costume reenact this fight. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWV0ycFLxM8 Thank you for the wonderful gift of this thing's existence. The game had already provided me many bounties of joy, watching various other people play it and ice skate through the corridors or deliberately get their friends killed in entertaining ways, but now I have this, as well. You've made my day.
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Yes and that was the last major Star Trek game that wasn’t the VR thing or mobile trash
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piratepilates posted:For some reason the planet has a weird colour filter lazily slapped on it to make the planet seem more alien? In the "Previously On" footage at the start of the episode you could see the (same) planet didn't have a blue tint, it was just a neutral balance like Earth. Hey is that the same place they did the location shots for The Ship in DS9? (Or was it Rocks and Shoals...)
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Sodomy Hussein posted:Excellent post all around, but I want to point out that the absurd lighting also looks fakey and underdone/ENHANCED as hell and draws attention to how fakey everything else is. What has consistently prevented me from bothering with Discovery is how loving tacky it looks, let alone all the terrible poo poo I hear about the plot. I'm glad I'm not insane for thinking the show looks expensive and cheap at the same time
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