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guestimate
Nov 10, 2011

bird food bathtub posted:

Immersion in the deep state.

Think peanut butter jelly sandwiches.

53 19.

We're coming for you.
Lol this is perfect :haw:

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zoux
Apr 28, 2006

https://twitter.com/travis_view/status/1155848981328486401

Ah of course the Deep State Cabal is filing stories to signal to people that conspiracists are dead instead of just....not doing that

zoux fucked around with this message at 15:40 on Jul 29, 2019

pseudanonymous
Aug 30, 2008

When you make the second entry and the debits and credits balance, and you blow them to hell.

zoux posted:

https://twitter.com/travis_view/status/1155848981328486401

Ah of course the Deep State Cabal is filing stories to signal to people that conspiracists are dead instead of just....not doing that

think peanut butter. Neither a nut, nor a butter. Trust. 1974. Dogs like peanut butter. Plan. Think connections. Of course it's a deep state psyop, but what has DJ tricked them into revealing with his own double bluff? 7777777

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

I don't get why these people think that the international global cabal of elites that pulls all the strings from behind the scenes would also be constantly dropping clues to their many crimes like the loving Riddler

Jay Rust
Sep 27, 2011

The cabal get off on it, you see

The Chairman
Jun 30, 2003

But you forget, mon ami, that there is evil everywhere under the sun

zoux posted:

I don't get why these people think that the international global cabal of elites that pulls all the strings from behind the scenes would also be constantly dropping clues to their many crimes like the loving Riddler

The international global cabal of elites loves to tease its victims with cryptic puzzles about their existence, but they're also not clever enough to make those puzzles more difficult than a Junior Jumble

Ague Proof
Jun 5, 2014

they told me
I was everything

zoux posted:

I don't get why these people think that the international global cabal of elites that pulls all the strings from behind the scenes would also be constantly dropping clues to their many crimes like the loving Riddler

Dr Pizza :tinfoil:

We're ruled by minor tech bloggers.

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

zoux posted:

I don't get why these people think that the international global cabal of elites that pulls all the strings from behind the scenes would also be constantly dropping clues to their many crimes like the loving Riddler

Schizophrenia

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

If I were a child eating satan worshipping member of the global cabal of elites that control everything from when your favorite show gets interrupted by a tornado warning to geopolitical realpolitik, I would simply not say that I was that.

Yngwie Mangosteen
Aug 23, 2007

zoux posted:

I don't get why these people think that the international global cabal of elites that pulls all the strings from behind the scenes would also be constantly dropping clues to their many crimes like the loving Riddler

Its just tied into their weird belief in the occult. By doing those things, the (occult group/deep state/etc.) is clowning on God and drawing forth their own vision (and thusly their power) into the world.

Basically it started with the idea of it all being magic spells. That’s ever more silly in 2019 than in the past, so now it’s just hidden messages for True Patriots because crazy tends to follow similar lines of thought and patterns.

LanceHunter
Nov 12, 2016

Beautiful People Club


zoux posted:

https://twitter.com/travis_view/status/1155848981328486401

Ah of course the Deep State Cabal is filing stories to signal to people that conspiracists are dead instead of just....not doing that

Aw drat. I saw a segment on that dog on an old episode of NOVA. It was a very good dog

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

LanceHunter posted:

Aw drat. I saw a segment on that dog on an old episode of NOVA. It was a very good dog

That dog was Hillary Clinton.

pseudanonymous
Aug 30, 2008

When you make the second entry and the debits and credits balance, and you blow them to hell.
Has anyone written one of those generators that take all the Q drops and puts them into a database or deep learning or whatever tech-bro magick words are correct and just creates its own Q-drops?

RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

Black Magic Extraordinaire

pseudanonymous posted:

Has anyone written one of those generators that take all the Q drops and puts them into a database or deep learning or whatever tech-bro magick words are correct and just creates its own Q-drops?

That's not the challenge. Anyone can slam words together. Its just being the bait that people take amongst all the other options.

Owlofcreamcheese
May 22, 2005
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!
Buglord

pseudanonymous posted:

Has anyone written one of those generators that take all the Q drops and puts them into a database or deep learning or whatever tech-bro magick words are correct and just creates its own Q-drops?

Probably? would that do anything?

Prester Jane
Nov 4, 2008

by Hand Knit

pseudanonymous posted:

Has anyone written one of those generators that take all the Q drops and puts them into a database or deep learning or whatever tech-bro magick words are correct and just creates its own Q-drops?

It's not the structure or style of the incoherent gibberish that is difficult to reproduce, what's challenging is understanding how to make gibberish that a certain group of people will interpret in specific ways. That is much more... art than science in all honesty. The number of people who have that particular skill set is extremely small.

Prester Jane fucked around with this message at 17:57 on Jul 29, 2019

RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

Black Magic Extraordinaire

Prester Jane posted:

It's not the structure or style of the incoherent gibberish that is difficult to reproduce, what's challenging is understanding how to make gibberish that a certain group of people will interpret in specific ways. That is much more... art than science in all honesty. The number of people who have that particular skill set is extremely small.

To be honest I don't think it's even that. I think it's random chance at play. Theres a lot of Q imitators out there and a handful have been taken as "real". There's no real logic or consistency to them, many have incredibly different "voices".
With the benefit of hindsight it's easy to want to believe the once that got picked were special or unique but i think its more of a shotgun approach. Enough of these Q imitators are in the wild that one random crazy will wander across the right one at the right time and boost it.

RagnarokAngel fucked around with this message at 18:23 on Jul 29, 2019

Owlofcreamcheese
May 22, 2005
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!
Buglord
The formula for a Q drop is to just say whatever the conspiracy theory of the day is from reddit or whatever but then say it all fancy like 5 days after everyone already posted about it. That is kinda it. That is the whole secret.

All the fake Q plans people make us is the idea they are gonna inject some crazy new thing they made up in, but that isn't what it is, Q stuff is just reheating stuff days/weeks/years/decades after it was already a conspiracy theory.

It's the retirement home for conspiracy stuff, not the birthplace.

Apathy420
May 18, 2017

by Cyrano4747
I was huffing baby hormones before it was cool

pop fly to McGillicutty
Feb 2, 2004

A peckish little mouse!

pseudanonymous posted:

Has anyone written one of those generators that take all the Q drops and puts them into a database or deep learning or whatever tech-bro magick words are correct and just creates its own Q-drops?

No, because we're smart enough to know that doing that will just create another cult of loonies who will go to war with Q.

Wait... I'll be right back

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

https://twitter.com/dappergander/status/1155904478786347010

"This psyop was used to ruin my life"

Owlofcreamcheese
May 22, 2005
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!
Buglord

Apathy420 posted:

I was huffing baby hormones before it was cool

I mean, literally, the adrenochrome stuff is from the 1950s and 60s and shows up in fear and loathing that was shown not to be psychoactive like 40 years ago. The whole general concept of globalist elite that eat children is like, just literally blood libel from like the 1300s.

Q stuff isn't coining new conspiracy theories, it's not even like recontextualizing old ones, it's just literally saying the ones that already were around but in a weird semi-military tom clancy code cadence and that is about it.

Like if you made some random Q post generator and it said figs control the world from the moon or something that'd be brushed off as fake, if you said obama's kids got pregnant in highschool and named their kids Orangejello and Eczema then people would like and subscribe or whatever, but what does that get you?

Yngwie Mangosteen
Aug 23, 2007
Money usually.

pseudanonymous
Aug 30, 2008

When you make the second entry and the debits and credits balance, and you blow them to hell.

Owlofcreamcheese posted:

Like if you made some random Q post generator and it said figs control the world from the moon or something that'd be brushed off as fake, if you said obama's kids got pregnant in highschool and named their kids Orangejello and Eczema then people would like and subscribe or whatever, but what does that get you?

In theory, you could probably de-program some members if you got popular then exposed exactly what you did, but it seems like most q-anon followers probably just drift from conspiracy fnord theory to conspiracy theory.

SneezeOfTheDecade
Feb 6, 2011

gettin' covid all
over your posts

zoux posted:

https://twitter.com/travis_view/status/1155848981328486401

Ah of course the Deep State Cabal is filing stories to signal to people that conspiracists are dead instead of just....not doing that

Chaser = CHASER = Clintons (Hillary) Are Sealing Epstein's Records :tinfoil:

Owlofcreamcheese
May 22, 2005
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!
Buglord

pseudanonymous posted:

In theory, you could probably de-program some members if you got popular then exposed exactly what you did, but it seems like most q-anon followers probably just drift from conspiracy fnord theory to conspiracy theory.

There was literally interviews with an 4chan mod that helped write Q stuff, but lots of people have written as Q nothing happened because of one getting reviled. Anyone can be Q if you write things Q would say.

Fiend
Dec 2, 2001
This Q thing certainly is crazy!

Say, would any of you fellow youths have any extra adrenochrome for sale?

Not a cop.

pop fly to McGillicutty
Feb 2, 2004

A peckish little mouse!
I do

Think my balls

69 420

Brokeback

Orbs
Apr 1, 2009
~Liberation~

Owlofcreamcheese posted:

The formula for a Q drop is to just say whatever the conspiracy theory of the day is from reddit or whatever but then say it all fancy like 5 days after everyone already posted about it. That is kinda it. That is the whole secret.

All the fake Q plans people make us is the idea they are gonna inject some crazy new thing they made up in, but that isn't what it is, Q stuff is just reheating stuff days/weeks/years/decades after it was already a conspiracy theory.

It's the retirement home for conspiracy stuff, not the birthplace.
The phrase "say it all fancy" here is doing a lot of work. If Q is literally the same as everything before with not even a different context, then why are people holding up babies with Q on them, and occupying dams with guns in the name of Q, instead of those other conspiracies

RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

Black Magic Extraordinaire
Because its multiple people putting it under one banner. Probably the cleverest part of the whole thing, Q cannot die just be replaced.

Yngwie Mangosteen
Aug 23, 2007

Klingon w Bowl Cut posted:

The phrase "say it all fancy" here is doing a lot of work. If Q is literally the same as everything before with not even a different context, then why are people holding up babies with Q on them, and occupying dams with guns in the name of Q, instead of those other conspiracies

As we all know, no conspiracy theory has ever been erroneously accepted by a large chunk of the American public prior to Q.


*ignores the JFK assassination, UFOs, 90's militias/black helicopter stuff, antivaxxing, etc.*

Deuce
Jun 18, 2004
Mile High Club
Is the deep state also behind chemtrails and the secret x-ray cannon that destroyed the WTC?

Parakeet vs. Phone
Nov 6, 2009
It's a psychological response to Trump not being the savior. Chuds are finally getting something that they want now thanks to the camps, but even that's probably a weak compromise to them. The people falling for Q don't care about policy or the 1,000 lovely things the Republicans are succeeding at. They wanted Trump to make the scary foreigners go away, "drain the swamp" and prove that they were right and their kids were wrong and goddamn it they'll come crawling back any day now. Plus some number of alt-righters who want their video games back, the SJWs gone and a girlfriend.

Since Trump wasn't the savior, they built a fantasy where he was. That's it. Q was a means to an end and that's why it took off despite the obvious issues. They want to believe so they do most of the work.

In the same way that JFK theories are big because people were terrified of Oswald pulling it off alone, and that black helicopters and the evil UN let white men be afraid of a bigger scarier enemy.

We see baby versions of it too. There was that tumblr post comparing Q to the fan conspiracy theories that sprung up to deal with the cognitive dissonance caused by something as small as a bad Radiohead album and a bad season of Sherlock. Hell, there was a whole now mostly forgotten conspiracy theory that Metal Gear Solid 5 was going to get a bunch of free DLC and Kojima wasn't really fired and it was all just one big ARG.

People don't like feeling like they're wrong or that they're just not going to get what they want.

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
Salad Prong

Klingon w Bowl Cut posted:

The phrase "say it all fancy" here is doing a lot of work. If Q is literally the same as everything before with not even a different context, then why are people holding up babies with Q on them, and occupying dams with guns in the name of Q, instead of those other conspiracies

A national park was occupied for several weeks by an armed gang in the name of cattle ranchers not wanting to pay taxes, my dude. This was only a few years ago.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

fishmech posted:

A national park was occupied for several weeks by an armed gang in the name of cattle ranchers not wanting to pay taxes, my dude. This was only a few years ago.

Well, at least they all went to prison.

pseudanonymous
Aug 30, 2008

When you make the second entry and the debits and credits balance, and you blow them to hell.

Parakeet vs. Phone posted:

In the same way that JFK theories are big because people were terrified of Oswald pulling it off alone, and that black helicopters and the evil UN let white men be afraid of a bigger scarier enemy.

I have to say on the JFK one, I don't have any particular belief, I've just heard so many weird things over the years about it that in my head I'm like something strange happened right? But then I wonder am I just an effete q-anon liberal equivalent. I mean I don't really care whether a cabal assassinated JFK, I certainly don't read J-drops or anything. It just... seems strange to me. But I also never really look at it (picked up the breadcrumbs as they say).

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


pseudanonymous posted:

I have to say on the JFK one, I don't have any particular belief, I've just heard so many weird things over the years about it that in my head I'm like something strange happened right? But then I wonder am I just an effete q-anon liberal equivalent. I mean I don't really care whether a cabal assassinated JFK, I certainly don't read J-drops or anything. It just... seems strange to me. But I also never really look at it (picked up the breadcrumbs as they say).

You sound like the arsonist.

Owlofcreamcheese
May 22, 2005
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!
Buglord

Klingon w Bowl Cut posted:

The phrase "say it all fancy" here is doing a lot of work. If Q is literally the same as everything before with not even a different context, then why are people holding up babies with Q on them, and occupying dams with guns in the name of Q, instead of those other conspiracies

Have people never fallen for conspiracies before? If anything the abject dumbness is toned down from past panics, (while still being extremely dumb), here is a wikipedia list of some things that were claimed to have happened during the satanic panics of the 80s and 90s


Seeing witches fly; travel in a hot air balloon; abuse and travel through underground tunnels;[125] identifying actor Chuck Norris from a series of pictures as an abuser;[126] orgies at car washes and airports, children being flushed down toilets to secret rooms where they would be abused, then cleaned up and presented back to their unsuspecting parents[125][127][128] (McMartin preschool trial, no forensic evidence was found to support these claims)

Being raped with knives (including a 12-inch blade[129]), sticks, forks, and magic wands; assault by a clown in a magic room; being forced to drink urine; tied naked to a tree[130] (Fells Acres Day Care Center preschool trial; no forensic evidence was found to support these claims)

Ritual murder of babies; children taken out on boats and thrown overboard; trips in hot air balloons;[131] babies were thrown against walls; children were penetrated with knives and forks; the walls and floors of the center's music room were spread with urine and feces[132] (Little Rascals day care sexual abuse trial; no forensic evidence was found to support these claims)

Forced to act in child pornography and used for child prostitution; tortured; made to watch snuff films[129] (Kern County child abuse cases; no child pornography was ever found to substantiate these accusations)

the mentally handicapped abuser who suffered from Noonan syndrome drank human blood in satanic rituals; abducted the children despite being unable to drive;[133] forced the children to eat urine and feces; abducted the children to secret rooms; committed violent sexual assaults and beatings; killed a giraffe, rabbit and elephant and drank their blood in front of the children;[134] (Faith Chapel Church ritual abuse case; no forensic evidence was found to support these claims)

pseudanonymous
Aug 30, 2008

When you make the second entry and the debits and credits balance, and you blow them to hell.

Lurdiak posted:

You sound like the arsonist.

I guess I just don't know where to get "real" "unbiased" information about it. The one time I remember vaguely looking into it, there was the Warren commission than a later commission and as far as I know they both "odd things".

I guess I just feel apathetic about it. Also, I am sure I could make up a wall of evidence and break it down and look at it myself I just don't care. If you asked me point blank did Oswald kill Kennedy I'd say yeah I think so. If you asked me if I thought there was a conspiracy I'd say I don't feel educated enough to know.

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Orbs
Apr 1, 2009
~Liberation~

Captain Monkey posted:

As we all know, no conspiracy theory has ever been erroneously accepted by a large chunk of the American public prior to Q.


*ignores the JFK assassination, UFOs, 90's militias/black helicopter stuff, antivaxxing, etc.*
That's just the thing. None of these other conspiracies you mention are the same as each other, much less the same as Qanon. Maybe it would be cool if we could discuss the similarities and differences instead of shutting discussion down?

Owlofcreamcheese posted:

Have people never fallen for conspiracies before? If anything the abject dumbness is toned down from past panics, (while still being extremely dumb), here is a wikipedia list of some things that were claimed to have happened during the satanic panics of the 80s and 90s


Seeing witches fly; travel in a hot air balloon; abuse and travel through underground tunnels;[125] identifying actor Chuck Norris from a series of pictures as an abuser;[126] orgies at car washes and airports, children being flushed down toilets to secret rooms where they would be abused, then cleaned up and presented back to their unsuspecting parents[125][127][128] (McMartin preschool trial, no forensic evidence was found to support these claims)

Being raped with knives (including a 12-inch blade[129]), sticks, forks, and magic wands; assault by a clown in a magic room; being forced to drink urine; tied naked to a tree[130] (Fells Acres Day Care Center preschool trial; no forensic evidence was found to support these claims)

Ritual murder of babies; children taken out on boats and thrown overboard; trips in hot air balloons;[131] babies were thrown against walls; children were penetrated with knives and forks; the walls and floors of the center's music room were spread with urine and feces[132] (Little Rascals day care sexual abuse trial; no forensic evidence was found to support these claims)

Forced to act in child pornography and used for child prostitution; tortured; made to watch snuff films[129] (Kern County child abuse cases; no child pornography was ever found to substantiate these accusations)

the mentally handicapped abuser who suffered from Noonan syndrome drank human blood in satanic rituals; abducted the children despite being unable to drive;[133] forced the children to eat urine and feces; abducted the children to secret rooms; committed violent sexual assaults and beatings; killed a giraffe, rabbit and elephant and drank their blood in front of the children;[134] (Faith Chapel Church ritual abuse case; no forensic evidence was found to support these claims)
No, I don't think people have never fallen for conspiracies before, though clearly I hosed something up since multiple people seem to think that's what I said. To clarify, I'm saying they're not all the same, and I think dismissing them as such is lazy thinking.

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