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| Joe Biden, the Inappropriate Toucher |
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18 | 1.46% |
| Bernie Sanders, the Hand Flailer |
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665 | 54.11% |
| Elizabeth Warren, the Plan Maker |
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319 | 25.96% |
| Kamala Harris, the Cop Lord |
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26 | 2.12% |
| Cory Booker, the Super Hero Wannabe |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Julian Castro, the Twin |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Kirsten Gillibrand, the Franken Killer |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Pete Buttigieg, the Troop Sociopath |
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17 | 1.38% |
| Robert Francis O'Rourke, the Fake Latino |
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3 | 0.24% |
| Jay Inslee, the Climate Alarmist |
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8 | 0.65% |
| Marianne Williamson, the Crystal Queen |
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86 | 7.00% |
| Tulsi Gabbard, the Muslim Hater |
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23 | 1.87% |
| Andrew Yang, the $1000 Fool |
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32 | 2.60% |
| Eric Swalwell, the Insurance Wife Guy |
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2 | 0.16% |
| Amy Klobuchar, the Comb Enthusiast |
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1 | 0.08% |
| Bill de Blasio, the NYPD Most Hated |
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4 | 0.33% |
| Tim Ryan, the Dope Face |
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3 | 0.24% |
| John Hickenlooper, the Also Ran |
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7 | 0.57% |
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HootTheOwl posted:I watch this and come to the opposite conclusion. She's right, but comes off as evasive and weak when Chris tries to pin her down. And Trump will cut you off and not give a drat what anyone says. You have to be direct and forceful with him. You have to be Bernie.
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Jul 31, 2019 14:52
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Judakel posted:And Trump will cut you off and not give a drat what anyone says. You have to be direct and forceful with him. You have to be Bernie. This is some hardcore revisionist history, Trump is not actually good at debate, he's just good at sucking all the air out of the room in an overcrowded field
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Jul 31, 2019 14:53
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joepinetree posted:Best evidence is his military service. He'll frequently talk about how he signed up because of 9/11. But note that while he was 19 when 9/11 actually happened, he only signed up for the military in 2009, a few months before his first political race. And he signed up for the navy reserves in landlocked state. As a result, when he deployed he served in the financial unit of navy intelligence. And yet despite the fact that he mostly dealt with spreadsheets in Kabul, he constantly talks about his courageous service. He talks about how it was dangerous, how he carried an assault weapon abroad so that people wouldn't need to carry it here, and, perhaps most emblematic, he said it was so dangerous that with time he had to learn to differentiate construction sounds from suicide bombers, despite the fact that while he was in Kabul there were no suicide bombings there. He was a desk jockey who unironically says stuff like "'It's not like I killed Bin Laden, but it was dangerous." It was very obvious that he signed up for political reasons while making sure that he had the safest assignment possible. He spent 6 months in Afghanistan and talks about it like saw action, instead of chasing spreadsheets in Afghanistan's safest area. This is the very definition of vietnam-era REMF, except that was to avoid combat not burnish your CV.
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Jul 31, 2019 14:53
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something is very sick when the "left-wing" party has a guy with a net worth of 90 million he gained from the health care industry saying we can't afford universal health care.
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Jul 31, 2019 14:54
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Arist posted:This is some hardcore revisionist history, Trump is not actually good at debate, he's just good at sucking all the air out of the room in an overcrowded field Trump is bad at debate. He's good at interrupting with tantrums. Warren spent the night showing she's willing to cede her time because the rules say they're getting punished for it.
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Jul 31, 2019 14:55
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HootTheOwl posted:I watch this and come to the opposite conclusion. She's right, but comes off as evasive and weak when Chris tries to pin her down. CNN's format was garbage. 15 seconds to respond is stupid as all hell.
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Jul 31, 2019 14:56
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Arist posted:This is some hardcore revisionist history, Trump is not actually good at debate, he's just good at sucking all the air out of the room in an overcrowded field "warren is only good when she gets plenty of uninterrupted space to explain what she means" "which is bad against trump, who sucks all the air out of the room by interrupting people" "this is HARDCORE REVISIONIST HISTORY, the only thing trump is good at is sucking the air out of the room and interrupting people" lmao
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Jul 31, 2019 14:58
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Arist posted:Lol, Delaney went on loving Fox News to complain about Warren attacking him: https://twitter.com/sheriffofcanada/status/1156378284948692992
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Jul 31, 2019 14:59
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HootTheOwl posted:I watch this and come to the opposite conclusion. She's right, but comes off as evasive and weak when Chris tries to pin her down. This was my take
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Jul 31, 2019 15:01
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mormonpartyboat posted:"warren is only good when she gets plenty of uninterrupted space to explain what she means" where were you when the  heard around the world was muttered into the mic?
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Jul 31, 2019 15:02
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Ummm is he saying that Pulp Fiction is 45 minutes too long? Cancelled.
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Jul 31, 2019 15:03
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:I am so terrified of losing in 2020, is a full medicare for all with no private insurance a guaruntee way Trump wins or is this a republican talking point? source your quotes
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Jul 31, 2019 15:05
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extremely pumped for bernie's policy videos full of inexplicable foot shots
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Jul 31, 2019 15:06
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The debate is much sadder when you realize Delaney paid out of his own pocket to be a punching bag for 2 1/2 hours last night
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Jul 31, 2019 15:07
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Arist posted:This is some hardcore revisionist history, Trump is not actually good at debate, he's just good at sucking all the air out of the room in an overcrowded field Trump slaughtered Clinton at the debates and realizing that most of D&D literally couldn't understand this was a huge revelation regarding just how out of touch most of the posters here actually are.
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Jul 31, 2019 15:08
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elizabeth warren trying to wheel over a whiteboard to draw up a flowchart showing oversight responsibilities but trump just cant stop humping it
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Jul 31, 2019 15:09
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mormonpartyboat posted:according to a couple people trying to hedge the bet, you need supplemental private insurance to cover things that the public insurance won't cover such as: Well if you want a real world example, I live in Canada and OHIP does not include dental, prescription drugs, or other types of insurance such as accidental death, etc. The private insurance through my employer supplements those things. The two companies that I have had (Manulife & Desjardin) also provide our Retirement Savings plans, so I’m not 100% sure this would be an apples for apples comparison as to how these companies would exist, but there would likely be a role for private insurance companies to fill. It just wouldn’t be as profitable.
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Jul 31, 2019 15:10
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Slowpoke! posted:Well if you want a real world example, I live in Canada and OHIP does not include dental, prescription drugs, or other types of insurance such as accidental death, etc. that's because ohip (like most real world examples) is not good, it's just better america shouldn't be aspiring to be canada, america should be aspiring to make canada feel like dogshit for having such a backwards system
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Jul 31, 2019 15:13
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FlamingLiberal posted:The debate is much sadder when you realize Delaney paid out of his own pocket to be a punching bag for 2 1/2 hours last night this is paypig erasure
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Jul 31, 2019 15:13
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VH4Ever posted:CNN's format was garbage. 15 seconds to respond is stupid as all hell. Well I'm sure CNN will learn their lesson come their inevitable general election debate, and also Trump will let her have endless time to make her points.
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Jul 31, 2019 15:14
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Slowpoke! posted:Well if you want a real world example, I live in Canada and OHIP does not include dental, prescription drugs, or other types of insurance such as accidental death, etc. The private insurance through my employer supplements those things. OHIP is really terrible and more or less has actual death panels, except they take the form of a doctor or hospital administrator behind the scenes telling the hospital social worker to send the old diabetic person home where they will die so that some else can be rotated through that bed. Or if the social worker won't do it, they wait till she's not there (a lot of em are only working four days or less thanks to cuts) and then transfers the patient anyway. People are killed this way all the time. It is also infinitely better than the American system, because this is hellworld and the extremely spotty, unreliable and indifferent health insurance that you get in Canada somehow puts America to shame.
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Jul 31, 2019 15:18
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Arist posted:This is some hardcore revisionist history, Trump is not actually good at debate, he's just good at sucking all the air out of the room in an overcrowded field Does what I describe sound like "being good at debate"? Debate is something dorks do. Donald Trump doesn't give a gently caress. Most people thought Clinton won her series of debates. She didn't.
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Jul 31, 2019 15:21
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Glasses Optional posted:Re: Buttcudgel, i see the points on folks downing on him saying hes using his service somehow disingenuously. I guess I don't buy that it makes him an evil liar though. Basically, Pete's entire past is that of a centrist elite whose only concern in life was building a presidential resume. And it really shows in his book. He frames his time at an amoral consultancy firm and his signing up to join the military as just something he needs to do if he wants to be a proper American elite, to be the next Bush or Kennedy. He derides protesters fighting for a living wage for janitors as mere "social justice warriors" who don't have nearly as much power and impact as the "mostly apolitical geeks" like him, and he doesn't seem to have any thoughts at all about the goals of the protest, describing it only as a "daily diversion on the way to class", background scenery he passed through on his way to "Pizza and Politics" sessions with journalists and think-tankers. The gold standard for deep dives into Pete's past and his deeply troubling perspectives is this Current Affairs article: https://www.currentaffairs.org/2019/03/all-about-pete Aside from that, the reason people are calling him a liar right now is that prior to last night, he was light on policy and heavy on empty centrist rhetoric. He largely avoided taking positions on anything, dodging questions whenever possible and refusing to commit to a single answer even on questions like "would you eat salsa mixed with ranch". On the rare instances where someone managed to get him to give a partial answer, it was almost always centrist mush. And now he comes up on stage last night and he's suddenly a leftist ideologue? Anyone who's been following the election before this week isn't buying this drastic change in his positions.
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Jul 31, 2019 15:21
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VH4Ever posted:So, who still says Liz can't be forceful with Trump in a debate later on? Liz is stronger than people give her credit for. I love when she goes Full Schoolteacher on someone asking a poo poo question: They REALLY want Warren to just "ADMIT IT ADMIT IT YOU BITCH!" that people will pay taxes under her plan that will remove all of their healthcare/insurance costs. To the point that Hard-Baller-who-balls-hard won't accept the core premise that taxes aren't the only expense that people in America have.
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Jul 31, 2019 15:22
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Chilichimp posted:They REALLY want Warren to just ADMIT IT ADMIT IT YOU BITCH! that people will pay taxes under her plan that will remove all of their healthcare/insurance costs. Please write the attack ad. Our advertisers would like a soundbite.
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Jul 31, 2019 15:23
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The sheer audacity of my local Fox affiliate complaining about Bernie and Sanders fighting on the stage rather than having "calm, rational debate" after electing Trump is staggering.
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Jul 31, 2019 15:23
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Chilichimp posted:They REALLY want Warren to just ADMIT IT ADMIT IT YOU BITCH! that people will pay taxes under her plan that will remove all of their healthcare/insurance costs. She doesn't have healthcare under her issues page. It isn't her plan and I doubt she even has any real intention of implementing it. It is just popular. In her first town hall, she was open to many options and that remains the case to this day.
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Jul 31, 2019 15:24
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HootTheOwl posted:Please write the attack ad. Our advertisers would like a soundbite. I know why she won't give them the answer, because it's a stupid loving question that absolutely will be used against her... But there's no winning here. Now they'll just say she's won't admit that taxes will go up WHAT ELSE IS SHE HIDING!?!?!?!?!
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Jul 31, 2019 15:25
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Chilichimp posted:I know why she won't give them the answer, because it's a stupid loving question that absolutely will be used against her... Honestly, it's no longer clear there's ever a bad time in American politics to change the conversation to how journalists are dishonest shills. Why even treat a question you don't like seriously when its coming from Chris Matthews? She should have just laid into him and started saying "what the hell do you know about it Chris? Youv'e never been poor, you've never sat around a kitchen table choosing between food and medicine, you just say what you're paid to say". I mean realistically that isn't the kind of answer that Warren stans thirst for but it'd be more honest than pretending this is an actual debate on ideas.
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Jul 31, 2019 15:29
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Judakel posted:She doesn't have healthcare under her issues page. It isn't her plan and I doubt she even has any real intention of implementing it. It is just popular. In her first town hall, she was open to many options and that remains the case to this day. You're right, it's Bernie's plan. Her plan for implementing it is to win the Senate, nuke the filibuster, and pass Bernie's bill.
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Jul 31, 2019 15:30
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Chilichimp posted:You're right, it's Bernie's plan. Then she belongs in the Senate.
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Jul 31, 2019 15:31
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Chilichimp posted:You're right, it's Bernie's plan. Yeah, absolutely, she's one hundred percent not going to listen to the health insurance industry saying it would be bad for capital.
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Jul 31, 2019 15:32
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Judakel posted:Then she belongs in the Senate. iamthesenate.gif
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Jul 31, 2019 15:32
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:Yeah, absolutely, she's one hundred percent not going to listen to the health insurance industry saying it would be bad for capital. I mean, she will, but it is hilarious to watch someone describe her plan, which revolves entirely around the Senate, and think she belongs in the White House.
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Jul 31, 2019 15:33
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Chilichimp posted:They REALLY want Warren to just "ADMIT IT ADMIT IT YOU BITCH!" that people will pay taxes under her plan that will remove all of their healthcare/insurance costs. THey want a "your taxes will go up" soundbite they can play in TV ads from now until the heat death of the universe.
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Jul 31, 2019 15:34
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I may end up voting for Bernie just because the average american cannot understand Warren using, y'know, nuance.
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Jul 31, 2019 15:34
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Chilichimp posted:iamthesenate.gif When Dredd says he's the law it's not a good thing so maybe don't evoke that
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Jul 31, 2019 15:35
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CuddleCryptid posted:I may end up voting for Bernie just because the average american cannot understand Warren using, y'know, nuance. Numbers Fucksteinian policies aren't nuanced.
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Jul 31, 2019 15:35
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mycomancy posted:Numbers Fucksteinian policies aren't nuanced. But they make me feel so smart.
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Main Paineframe posted:Basically, Pete's entire past is that of a centrist elite whose only concern in life was building a presidential resume. And it really shows in his book. He frames his time at an amoral consultancy firm and his signing up to join the military as just something he needs to do if he wants to be a proper American elite, to be the next Bush or Kennedy. He derides protesters fighting for a living wage for janitors as mere "social justice warriors" who don't have nearly as much power and impact as the "mostly apolitical geeks" like him, and he doesn't seem to have any thoughts at all about the goals of the protest, describing it only as a "daily diversion on the way to class", background scenery he passed through on his way to "Pizza and Politics" sessions with journalists and think-tankers. That makes sense from that perspective.
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