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Klingon w Bowl Cut posted:That's just the thing. None of these other conspiracies you mention are the same as each other, much less the same as Qanon. Maybe it would be cool if we could discuss the similarities and differences instead of shutting discussion down? No they were, the internet just didn’t make them quite as relevant in your life before. I don’t know how to baby step you through the idea of the availability heuristic without coming across as an even bigger dick than I am right now. But all the poo poo you claim is unique about Q has happened over and over again, thats why every post since yours has been people dunking on you.
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^Yep, I said it before but the only difference is that this poo poo was relegated to gun conventions, conferences and independent bookstores. Somewhere I've got a book of really deep conspiracies I picked up on a school trip to DC. Stuff like Son of Sam being a fall guy for the Cult of Samhain, the Process Church and also surprisingly good info on COINTELPRO. It's like people finding out that 90% of Dale Gribble's conspiracy theories were real. The only defense of humanity with Satanic Panic is that there was a small conspiracy to protect the reputation of the accusers. If I'm remembering right they worked really hard to hide just how batshit and obviously coerced the testimony was. If they would have let people hear that the main accuser said she was the headmaster fly around the school on a broom I think it would have sunk a lot faster. Parakeet vs. Phone fucked around with this message at 02:11 on Jul 30, 2019 |
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Parakeet vs. Phone posted:It's a psychological response to Trump not being the savior. Chuds are finally getting something that they want now thanks to the camps, but even that's probably a weak compromise to them. The people falling for Q don't care about policy or the 1,000 lovely things the Republicans are succeeding at. They wanted Trump to make the scary foreigners go away, "drain the swamp" and prove that they were right and their kids were wrong and goddamn it they'll come crawling back any day now. Plus some number of alt-righters who want their video games back, the SJWs gone and a girlfriend. That's an astute analogy. Like the conspiracy is a way to resolve the cognitive dissonance. The fan mini-conspiracies are a good point too. I recollect when the final Harry Potter volume was released, the manuscript leaked a few weeks beforehand to a massive fan outcry that it couldn't be real, this was a diversion (why?), the writing was terrible, the plot awful, all the characters wrong ... which just underlines the poor judgement of the fanbase.
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nonathlon posted:That's an astute analogy. Like the conspiracy is a way to resolve the cognitive dissonance. Why would they think it was a fake if the writing was terrible, the plot awful, and the characters all wrong. Had none of the fans read any of the books yet or what?
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Captain Monkey posted:No they were, the internet just didn’t make them quite as relevant in your life before. I don’t know how to baby step you through the idea of the availability heuristic without coming across as an even bigger dick than I am right now. But all the poo poo you claim is unique about Q has happened over and over again, thats why every post since yours has been people dunking on you. It's different now. Hell is other people and connection to other people is just the default now Age Of Consent Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez 867-5309 Do the the math 2
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Captain Monkey posted:No they were, the internet just didn’t make them quite as relevant in your life before. I don’t know how to baby step you through the idea of the availability heuristic without coming across as an even bigger dick than I am right now. But all the poo poo you claim is unique about Q has happened over and over again, thats why every post since yours has been people dunking on you. Hell, Charles Mackay identified a good chunk of the pattern behind this sort of thing in his Extraordinary Popular Delusions back in 1841 - this pattern's about as old as modernity and widespread news propagation itself. Isn't it nice, sugar and spice Luring disco dollies to a life of...? #WWG1WWA, the Storm is coming God wins!
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Parakeet vs. Phone posted:The only defense of humanity with Satanic Panic is that there was a small conspiracy to protect the reputation of the accusers. If I'm remembering right they worked really hard to hide just how batshit and obviously coerced the testimony was. If they would have let people hear that the main accuser said she was the headmaster fly around the school on a broom I think it would have sunk a lot faster. Yeah not just from the public but also from the defense. One of the prosecutors resigned in protest because the prosecution was concealing the fact that the mother who made the first accusations was a paranoid schizophrenic (she was also the one who claimed that the teacher could fly). I didn't know before today that the accusations also involved children being flushed down the toilets to an otherwise inaccessible underground bunker. I thought my respect for Boomers couldn't go any lower but my god how dumb are our parents
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1156243330952507394 Qanon account. https://twitter.com/TheViewFromLL2/status/1156248231883489280 Ague Proof fucked around with this message at 18:04 on Jul 30, 2019 |
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pseudanonymous posted:I have to say on the JFK one, I don't have any particular belief, I've just heard so many weird things over the years about it that in my head I'm like something strange happened right? But then I wonder am I just an effete q-anon liberal equivalent. I mean I don't really care whether a cabal assassinated JFK, I certainly don't read J-drops or anything. It just... seems strange to me. But I also never really look at it (picked up the breadcrumbs as they say). Why do you think that way? Well, I pretty much described it a few pages ago... LanceHunter posted:That’s a tremendously optimistic outlook, that Q will be a quaint relic in the future. These kinds of conspiracy theories just gain legitimacy as time goes on. Look at all the Kennedy assassination theories. It starts with pure nut jobs, then there are hucksters trying to get something off the nutjobs, then it dies down for a bit.... But then it gains some counter-cultural cachet. Maybe you have some punks making songs referencing it (to parody the initial nutjobs - https://youtu.be/l9jAGtfi8S4 ) maybe it’s just idiot kids trying to say something edgy. (You’re already seeing this with the “Bush did 911” meme-ing.)
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VitalSigns posted:Yeah not just from the public but also from the defense. One of the prosecutors resigned in protest because the prosecution was concealing the fact that the mother who made the first accusations was a paranoid schizophrenic (she was also the one who claimed that the teacher could fly). One of the mothers was essentially a Munchausen by Proxy case who brought similar allegations to caretakers after the McMartin case. She was also in a relationship with Ted Gunderson, the ex-FBI agent who helped popularize the whole panic. The bunker poo poo led to an actual excavation by a bunch of parents (and attended by Ted Gunderson) years after that hosed up on the first day when some cops figured that someone had planted dead tortoises recently (one of the accusations was that animals were sacrificed in front of the kids and later buried on premises). They even tried to pass off old rear end dirt tunnels that are routinely done for plumbing maintenance as the tunnels themselves (described as full on concrete and tall enough to walk through comfortably).
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Ague Proof posted:https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1156243330952507394 Madness feeding madness, this is going to go really well.
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Klingon w Bowl Cut posted:That's just the thing. None of these other conspiracies you mention are the same as each other, much less the same as Qanon. Maybe it would be cool if we could discuss the similarities and differences instead of shutting discussion down? Read my posts in this thread to see both a lot of discussion about what you're trying to address here as well as a demonstration of why that particular line of thought gets repeatedly shut down in this threat.
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:Whatever happened to the qanon people who landed a boat on Epstein’s island? Did Moloch get them? The GBS Epstein thread had a couple photos but that's it. Guess they were converted or consumed by Lord Moloch.
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:Whatever happened to the qanon people who landed a boat on Epstein’s island? Did Moloch get them? They cross-posted in the timeshare reddit.
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checks out. we reached the moon by cannon launch in the early 1900s, after all. today is supposed to be a big day for Q right? the "declas" begins?
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this would be better if there was a big fat moon far away then a close svelte sexy moon who was tiny.
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my bony fealty posted:checks out. we reached the moon by cannon launch in the early 1900s, after all. I am so ready for the great haqqening
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Ague Proof posted:https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1156243330952507394 Of course, Q are some of the only people who think he isn't a gibbering chimp.
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Always wondered, how do those types square hyper-patriotism and believing the country was founded by Masonic Satanists?
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Dr. Killjoy posted:Always wondered, how do those types square hyper-patriotism and believing the country was founded by Masonic Satanists? Because "true" America (which they are a part of) was ordained by God in Heaven; so of course Satan would be sending his agents to try and infiltrate God's ordained country and bring it to its knees. The struggle between Godly Americans and satanic Masons is as old as the country itself.
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Dr. Killjoy posted:Always wondered, how do those types square hyper-patriotism and believing the country was founded by Masonic Satanists? How do conservatives believe that immigrants are simultaneously lazy and also stealing our jobs: they are morons.
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zoux posted:How do conservatives believe that immigrants are simultaneously lazy and also stealing our jobs: they are morons. The more hard-core conspiracy theorists are the more likely they are to believe strongly in multiple mutually exclusive conspiracies. Logic or the lack of it is not an issue for them.
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zoux posted:How do conservatives believe that immigrants are simultaneously lazy and also stealing our jobs: they are morons. They've mostly moved away from "they're stealing our jobs" and onto "they're using our [apparently incredibly robust, in these people's eyes] welfare."
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Dr. Killjoy posted:Always wondered, how do those types square hyper-patriotism and believing the country was founded by Masonic Satanists? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem_of_evil
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Mr.Unique-Name posted:They've mostly moved away from "they're stealing our jobs" and onto "they're using our [apparently incredibly robust, in these people's eyes] welfare." They've been routinely flipping between those two accusations since before Reagan.
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Dr. Killjoy posted:Always wondered, how do those types square hyper-patriotism and believing the country was founded by Masonic Satanists? All the answers given are probably each right, and also construction of the Washington Monument didn’t start until 1848, years after our sainted founders.
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Some people are just Looney Tunes conspiracy theory weirdos that would be in a camper on an episode of X-Files where Mulder looks at them and scoffs. For others it's propaganda for a rising fascist party. For the latter group things being obviously contradictory bullshit is a bug not a feature. Sartre was explaining this decades ago. It being obviously contradictory bullshit makes their enemies (and make absolutely no mistake, they are 100% framed as enemies and deserving violence by fascists) feel obligated to engage with it in a rational manner pointing out the contradictory bullshit, to which the fascist spews even more contradictory bullshit. The entire time the goal is not to engage rationally, it is to spread the emotional message of hatred of their targeted out-group. They don't care at all whether they're right, they're winning by contributing to the fog bank of hatred and bigotry that is the entire propaganda machine. Fact check them for the next century, they don't give a gently caress. You're spreading their message for them.
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Opferwurst posted:Hail Moloch That's gonna leave such a dent in my car.
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Sexual Aluminum posted:I expect this thread to cough up plenty of tears when declass doesn’t happen. Pardon me, good patriot, all deep state members will pay on...hold on, let me check the date, it's changed again recently...
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Parakeet vs. Phone posted:^Yep, I said it before but the only difference is that this poo poo was relegated to gun conventions, conferences and independent bookstores. Somewhere I've got a book of really deep conspiracies I picked up on a school trip to DC. Stuff like Son of Sam being a fall guy for the Cult of Samhain, the Process Church and also surprisingly good info on COINTELPRO. It's like people finding out that 90% of Dale Gribble's conspiracy theories were real. A lifetime ago as a psych major one of my profs specialized in eyewitness testimony/memory and being the mid 90's he went off on mini-rants on a whole lot of stuff from around then; most of these abuse cases read like a guide to "how to create false memories in children", and in cases like this the "experts" advised police to do things like "every time the kid reveals a detail, give them a candy", "tell parents to go home and repeatedly tell the kids something bad happened and it's okay and they need to tell the officers all about it", "if a kid gets angry about being questioned they're fighting repressed memories, keep at it" and my favorite "any testimony that's fantastical or impossible is just the child repressing the real traumatic memories, so just pay attention to the real parts".
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Sexual Aluminum posted:I expect this thread to cough up plenty of tears when declass doesn’t happen. Nah, just means they decoded the timing wrong. It's still coming.
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