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Ms Adequate
Oct 30, 2011

Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling



HauntedRobot posted:

The state I'm advocating for is actually the littlest
We trust in market forces and let businesses take care of us
With private companies to run all our essential services

We've got a lot invested in our horde of private property
We're not particularly interested in equality
We're pretty laissez-faire if you've got lots and lots of pounds and you
Can't call us libertarian or we'll have to set the hounds on you

:golfclap:

e; Sigh. 23 is the highest known prime number.

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Bardeh
Dec 2, 2004

Fun Shoe
toaster license man is my new favourite person

https://twitter.com/LizardRumsfeld/status/1155888383190872066

RabidWeasel
Aug 4, 2007

Cultures thrive on their myths and legends...and snuggles!
I hope yall have seen this loving amazing thread in LP. It's pretty close to what I imagine the UKMT would be like if you turned it into an RPGmaker game and replaced polls with baseball.

XMNN
Apr 26, 2008
I am incredibly stupid

AceOfFlames posted:

No they don't! Every single time I even obliquely mention current events they immediately go "I don't watch the news"

Also how else is news supposed to be conveyed? Have a bunch of random guys on the internet screaming at you and you pick the one who aligns with your feelings about the world?

news websites?

they're poo poo but they exist

AceOfFlames
Oct 9, 2012


"NOBODY HAS ALL THE ANSWERS ABOUT HOW FREEDOM WORKS! THAT'S WHY FREEDOM IS SO IMPORTANT!"

I'm dying

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Beefeater1980 posted:

It’s astonishing that any foreigners talk to British people, ever. We have an amazingly consistent track record of loving over everyone who has anything to do with us.
That's why Britain joined a union of same.

Qwertycoatl posted:

Given up on TVs in general I think. Half my friends don't have a TV and the other half only do so they can hook up a games console and/or netflix
I'm not sure I'd be as comfortable watching a full length movie or tv show on my phone and I'm not sure why, because holding my phone a foot away from my face covers the same area as my TV does from sat on the sofa.

Gorn Myson posted:

He looks like Jason Watkins' evil brother
Ian?

Pistol_Pete posted:

Yeah, broadcast tv is in its final generation. I don't know anyone under the age of 50 who actually watches the broadcast channels as they happen.
I still watch the news at lunchtime in the background. I also used to watch TV a lot when I first moved in here, but that went down considerably once I got wired broadband instead of capped 4G internet (it took a long time to sort all the cabling sorted out).

AceOfFlames posted:

But then what if you pick one that turns out to be wrong?
What if you pick a broadcast channel that turns out to be wrong?

Comrade Fakename
Feb 13, 2012


So, my ISP is Talktalk, and for about a week I’d had problems with intermittent sync, so on Wednesday I rang up tech support and sorted it out. (Amusingly they decided the problem was the router, which it obviously wasn’t as there had also been problems with the phone line, and the issue resolved itself immediately after they ran their tests, but I guess I have a spare Talktalk router now.)

Anyway, the very next day I get a phone call from someone claiming to be from Openreach, and it seemed plausible considering what had happened the night before. He had an extremely thick accent though, and very loud noise behind him and a poor connection so I could barely understand him. I went along with it though, since it seemed appropriate.

Thankfully I’m not a total rube though, and when they painstakingly spelled out a URL to go to I searched for it on Google instead. And yep, it was a scam. He squawked incomprehensibly when I accused him, and then I hung up. Then they called back twice! The second time they just hung up when I said the word “scam”, but the first one got indignant and insisted that it couldn’t be a scam since they hadn’t charged me for this call - I pointed out that of course I wasn’t being charged as it was them who called me. He pretty much said “Yes. Well, nevertheless...” and I hung up.

So it seems like Talktalk somehow immediately leaked my interaction with them to scammers. So they can get hosed. I wanted to upgrade to fibre anyway, so I’m getting a new ISP. Cursory research suggests Vodafone might be a good idea, especially since they are my mobile provider too. Anyone had trouble with them?

crispix
Mar 28, 2015

Grand-Maman m'a raconté
(Les éditions des amitiés franco-québécoises)

Hello, dear

winegums posted:

Bit of a yes, and ho! post, but....

I just learnt about the West Brom FC boiler mascot who came about after the club got sponsored by a boiler company.


Corbyn should put "football clubs will be returned to the hands of their members" as a manifesto pledge. The general corporatisation of football and gentrification of some teams is quite interesting to me as an outsider who doesn't really watch football; but the low-level complaints fans have about disenfranchisement from their teams seems like an easy way to get lots of people who are ostensibly non-political on-board.

That's actually my dream man, OP.

Ms Adequate
Oct 30, 2011

Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling



AceOfFlames posted:

"NOBODY HAS ALL THE ANSWERS ABOUT HOW FREEDOM WORKS! THAT'S WHY FREEDOM IS SO IMPORTANT!"

I'm dying

Absolutely mental, I love this crazy

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
I've got a Beko fridge box and some white paint in the shed.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

If only there was a word for what happens when competing agencies had a dispute about whose notion of land ownership was the correct one :thunk:

Azza Bamboo
Apr 7, 2018


THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021

OwlFancier posted:

If only there was a word for what happens when competing agencies had a dispute about whose notion of land ownership was the correct one :thunk:

I'm pretty sure it's war.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

NO! wars happen between STATES and an AGENCY is not a STATE therefore it can't be war it's dispute resolution.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
p. sure even states weasel around calling it 'police action' and 'emergency' to avoid legalities or appease insurance companies now.

Azza Bamboo
Apr 7, 2018


THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021
So Syria recently had a years long...

...Dispute resolution?

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Azza Bamboo posted:

So Syria recently had a years long...

...Dispute resolution?

https://libertarianism.fandom.com/wiki/Dispute_resolution_organization

I'm literally not even kidding, you might call it an army for hire, we call it a DRO.

The concept is that instead of having a "state" with "laws" you instead have a variety of DROs you can "subscribe" to which offer any variety of laws you like, and if you and another guy's DRO disagree on whether you did something wrong when you seized his land, they go and settle it via a form of arbitration that is amenable to both organizations, which definitely won't be a shooting match.

OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 21:12 on Aug 2, 2019

njsykora
Jan 23, 2012

Robots confuse squirrels.


Azza Bamboo posted:

So Syria recently had a years long...

...Dispute resolution?

Civil disturbance. A very long one.

Azza Bamboo
Apr 7, 2018


THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021
These DROs sound a lot like bailiffs.

Cataffy
Aug 12, 2008
Regarding tea... As a lurking Norwegian, I realize this is the worst possible thing to weigh in on, but I go milk first because that forms an emulsion instead of a mixture. Because Guy Martin said so and he can't possibly be wrong.

https://youtu.be/a0845Vgy99E

(Skip 1 min in)

xtothez
Jan 4, 2004


College Slice

Comrade Fakename posted:

So, my ISP is Talktalk, and for about a week I’d had problems with intermittent sync, so on Wednesday I rang up tech support and sorted it out. (Amusingly they decided the problem was the router, which it obviously wasn’t as there had also been problems with the phone line, and the issue resolved itself immediately after they ran their tests, but I guess I have a spare Talktalk router now.)

Anyway, the very next day I get a phone call from someone claiming to be from Openreach, and it seemed plausible considering what had happened the night before. He had an extremely thick accent though, and very loud noise behind him and a poor connection so I could barely understand him. I went along with it though, since it seemed appropriate.

Thankfully I’m not a total rube though, and when they painstakingly spelled out a URL to go to I searched for it on Google instead. And yep, it was a scam. He squawked incomprehensibly when I accused him, and then I hung up. Then they called back twice! The second time they just hung up when I said the word “scam”, but the first one got indignant and insisted that it couldn’t be a scam since they hadn’t charged me for this call - I pointed out that of course I wasn’t being charged as it was them who called me. He pretty much said “Yes. Well, nevertheless...” and I hung up.

So it seems like Talktalk somehow immediately leaked my interaction with them to scammers. So they can get hosed. I wanted to upgrade to fibre anyway, so I’m getting a new ISP. Cursory research suggests Vodafone might be a good idea, especially since they are my mobile provider too. Anyone had trouble with them?

This is pretty suss. Given how quickly that happened the most likely explanation that springs to mind is that someone dodgy has access to their customer support system. Given Talk Talk's previous form for security matters I wouldn't rule out it being compromised.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Azza Bamboo posted:

These DROs sound a lot like bailiffs.

They're literally organizations you sign up to in order to have your rights (as granted under that DRO) enforced. It's literally privatizing the government and opening it up to free market competition and it's loving amazing.

Azza Bamboo
Apr 7, 2018


THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021
Oh wait I think I get it. It's like they want your nationality and society to be based on which brand you've subscribed to instead of where you were born or who issued your passport.

XMNN
Apr 26, 2008
I am incredibly stupid
the only time I ever watch the news is lunchtime at work because for some reason people think it's a noncontroversial choice (and to be fair it's a marked improvement on four in a bed or escape to the country) which quite often ends up with me making some pointed comment to our scum gently caress senior managers

e.g. when Theresa may was crying about getting kicked out of downing Street and my oval office former boss* walked in and said he felt sorry for her to which I gave a very loud "I don't" and then said she was a horrible person who'd done a terrible job

*sometimes I find myself wondering if my hatred of him is slightly overblown and based on petty slights that I'm making a massive deal over, e.g. him talking to me like a 5 year old when he thinks he knows the answer to something I don't (generally he is wrong), but then he does something objectively cunty, e.g. last week he brought foie gras to the work barbecue

or when I said £40,000 wasn't a low salary when the news was talking about them moving the upper rate tax band like it was a tax cut for anyone other than high earners and the CFO disagreed and I disagreed back (in hindsight and having looked up the company house info it's probably because the mean salary here is like £50,000)

I've stopped eating lunch there when they're likely to be around and am looking for a new job

e: although I do sort of want to catch one of them bitching about Boris so I can make an innocent comment about how anyone who voted Tory in 2017 voted for this and trigger a meltdown

XMNN fucked around with this message at 21:26 on Aug 2, 2019

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Azza Bamboo posted:

Oh wait I think I get it. It's like they want your nationality and society to be based on which brand you've subscribed to instead of where you were born or who issued your passport.

Have you read Snow Crash because it's like that only you thought it was a good idea.

But yes, basically, you don't live in America you live in Virgin Multinational Presents: The American Burbclave #239.

You subscribe to your preferred highway system that has your preferred speed limits and traffic laws and you aren't allowed to drive on the highways owned by the competitor unless you pay a fee. Your rights only exist while you are in your DRO's owned areas unless you pay for the mobile protection package. This is preferable to the world we live in today :v:

OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 21:19 on Aug 2, 2019

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Azza Bamboo posted:

Oh wait I think I get it. It's like they want your nationality and society to be based on which brand you've subscribed to instead of where you were born or who issued your passport.
That might actually be interesting, but what they actually want it to be based on is how rich you are, and either:
a) assume that the market will reward merit with riches instead of building intergenerational dynasties as always; or
b) assume that they will be one of the rich.

DROs exist, they're called Pinkertons and Executive Outcomes etc.

Azza Bamboo
Apr 7, 2018


THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021
No I think it's a terrible idea. I don't see how minority issues will be at all supported in this system, or crimes that are hard to enforce. After all why not have a cost cutting DRO that says, idk, enforcing wheelchair access to work environments is too much of a pain in the rear end and if you don't like it subscribe to someone who cares. Except we gunned the company that gives a poo poo about wheelchair access down over this a few months ago. The irony being that some of our workers needed wheelchairs as a result of the gunfire. Lol we just hired new ones.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Azza Bamboo posted:

No I think it's a terrible idea. I don't see how minority issues will be at all supported in this system, or crimes that are hard to enforce. After all why not have a cost cutting DRO that says, idk, enforcing wheelchair access to work environments is too much of a pain in the rear end and if you don't like it subscribe to someone who cares. Except we gunned the company that gives a poo poo about wheelchair access down over this a few months ago.

You as in "the libertarian" not you personally.

And the answer to the latter question is either 1. That's against the non aggression principle.

Or rather more likely: 2. being wheelchair bound isn't marketable therefore it's right that you die.

Or 3 I guess everyone will not subscribe to the wheelchair murder company because their ethical principles will cause them to vote with their dollar and they'll go out of business you know like actually happens in real life all the time oh wait.

Azza Bamboo
Apr 7, 2018


THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021
We let wheelchair users die but we donated to a charity that has wheelchair in the name so it's okay.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

We're actually a subcontractor with Amazon DRO that handles their standard rate members (prime members are people with working legs who can work in the amazon distributon center) and we offer our customers the option of volunteering for nutrient reprocessing when they get tired of their Safe Space TM containment cubicles in exchange for a donation of £250 to their surviving family members.

Azza Bamboo
Apr 7, 2018


THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021
I do like the "ideal" version of libertarianism where the state fucks off and lets people form their own communities and do what they want. I resent the hegemony that comes with national identities and the machinations of the state. However the reality of libertarianism is that the corporation becomes the state and is just as imposing or oppressive as the state if not moreso. Rather than the hippies creating local communities that I'd like to see, it becomes more of a economic and social mosh pit where only the strongest get close to the stage.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

OwlFancier posted:

We're actually a subcontractor with Amazon DRO that handles their standard rate members (prime members are people with working legs who can work in the amazon distributon center) and we offer our customers the option of volunteering for nutrient reprocessing when they get tired of their Safe Space TM containment cubicles in exchange for a donation of £250 to their surviving family members.
The £250 is of course in Amazon vouchers.

e: ^^^ You'd enjoy libertarian communism, libertarian socialism, municipal libertarianism, and almost every form of libertarianism that existed before Rothbard ruined it.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Guavanaut posted:

The £250 is of course in Amazon vouchers.

:perfect:

Also yeah you're describing ancoms, cos ancaps think the corporate takeover is the point, while ancom understand that's the big danger and therefore want to work really hard to dismantle them and prevent their reformation in order to preserve the freedom from nationalism and capitalism.

OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 21:31 on Aug 2, 2019

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
I still can't get over that there are ancaps who love company scrip. At least with the goldbugs and bitcoiners they're just economically illiterate, rather than saying "okay, let's take the paper money out of government hands and instead of putting it in the hands of the community or municipality lets give control entirely to a board of directors."

Bardeh
Dec 2, 2004

Fun Shoe
https://twitter.com/UKLabour/status/1157380799454429184

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry

But what about BREXIT JERMY what about Brexit whatboutbrext wha'bt'brxit wh'bt'brxt ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!!! Iä! Iä! Cthulhu fhtagn!

Azza Bamboo
Apr 7, 2018


THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021
But get this

In December Liz Truss will visit Beijing, where she will open new Pork Markets.

Now that's a policy that involves the gammon.

Bardeh
Dec 2, 2004

Fun Shoe
I also like the people screeching about how it'll make us go bankrupt, as if taxing the ultra-wealthy is just completely impossible and unacceptable.

Comrade Fakename
Feb 13, 2012


xtothez posted:

This is pretty suss. Given how quickly that happened the most likely explanation that springs to mind is that someone dodgy has access to their customer support system. Given Talk Talk's previous form for security matters I wouldn't rule out it being compromised.

Yes, it certainly seems like that's the case.

jabby
Oct 27, 2010

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1157392760112123905
Haha gently caress you Boris bounce.

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ShaneMacGowansTeeth
May 22, 2007



I think this is it... I think this is how it ends

winegums posted:

Bit of a yes, and ho! post, but....

I just learnt about the West Brom FC boiler mascot who came about after the club got sponsored by a boiler company.


Corbyn should put "football clubs will be returned to the hands of their members" as a manifesto pledge. The general corporatisation of football and gentrification of some teams is quite interesting to me as an outsider who doesn't really watch football; but the low-level complaints fans have about disenfranchisement from their teams seems like an easy way to get lots of people who are ostensibly non-political on-board.

At one end of the mascot spectrum we get

https://twitter.com/ALANMYERSMEDIA/status/1157220124560166912

And then we get

https://twitter.com/ArsenioB_Ham/status/1157108323721912325

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