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FutonForensic posted:Only saw maybe six people with Trump/Pence signs on a corner outside
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:where are the trotskyists with signs that say "DSA killed Rosa" didn't sell enough newspapers to afford the brown bag lunch.
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ok, looking in from the outside it's wild to me that different DSA caucuses have different resources and email lists separate from the org as a whole I assume this sprung up as a consequence of the membership boom post-2016? was there ever any debate about it, or did it just develop this way haphazardly?
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FutonForensic posted:Only saw maybe six people with Trump/Pence signs on a corner outside lmao that loving clown in the flag blazer tho
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Atrocious Joe posted:ok, looking in from the outside it's wild to me that different DSA caucuses have different resources and email lists separate from the org as a whole why wouldn't a caucus have a different email list than national, which may or may not even have an up-to-date membership list
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thoughts on this? https://twitter.com/mags_mclaugh/status/1157685891231563778?s=2 https://twitter.com/mags_mclaugh/status/1157686513515339776?s=21
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she's not wrong that DSA might be better to babystep this by first really really understanding poo poo like securing communications and opsec crap on the balance it's probably better to keep any antifa support off the record
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Aug 3, 2019 17:27
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Any sane antifascist organizing group should exist as a shadow council that's more or less completely off the books.
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#9 that were talking about right now is the hardest thing for me. It's a really, really tough call. Our chapter seems against and in favor of #80 instead.
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Barry Convex posted:thoughts on this? the first rule of dsa fight club is that you ratify it nationally and talk about it openly
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Aug 3, 2019 17:38
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Agreeing about the security concerns. Our chapter had a mini session about security and it got derailed into if we could trust the police to help us in case someone caused a problem.
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Creating an on-the-record antifascist group seems like a great way to get completely owned by feds for being a "terror cell" with a big ol' list of names ready to get no-fly listed and poo poo until the organization becomes inaccessible to anyone not willing to become an outlaw antifascist organizing has to happen at the affinity group level and you're putting a big target on your back signing your name to like, an "antifa caucus" even if it just means opposing fascism which you should obviously do
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Paramemetic posted:Creating an on-the-record antifascist group seems like a great way to get completely owned by feds for being a "terror cell" with a big ol' list of names ready to get no-fly listed and poo poo until the organization becomes inaccessible to anyone not willing to become an outlaw i swear to god so many of these resolutions had to be written by the police
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Aug 3, 2019 17:42
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We're an inclusive and "family friendly" org. The changes necessary to keep the org secure would kill that spirit of the org. My concern is that the changes wouldn't happen to make us more secure and we'd just be setting ourselves up for problems.
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Don't do antifascist organization with anyone you aren't 100% confident would commit perjury on your behalf
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Bushiz posted:Don't do antifascist organization with anyone you aren't 100% confident would commit perjury on your behalf I love the way you phrased this. Thank you.
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Internet Explorer posted:We're an inclusive and "family friendly" org. The changes necessary to keep the org secure would kill that spirit of the org. My concern is that the changes wouldn't happen to make us more secure and we'd just be setting ourselves up for problems. it's a really bad idea to start a dsa fight club internet forum that will inevitably lead to provocateur activity
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Bushiz posted:Don't do antifascist organization with anyone you aren't 100% confident would commit perjury on your behalf yyeah dsa crimes caucus should be off the books
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i've had conversations about this stuff with people in my chapter that wanted to do self defense working groups or shooting range groups and i just really think that stuff is not what the DSA is for. im all for those things but they should be completely separate entities that are not connected to the org in any way
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anyone in favor of r9, if they aren't a cop themselves, would absolutely be the first to bail and snitch as soon as the pigs crank up the heat. many delegates who do this work are afraid to speak for good reason, and unfortunately against is loving this up by playing into the facile liberal-minded sentimental frame that supporters are putting forward
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Molly being in favor was the hardest part for me. AFAIK she's been very involved and impacted by this work.
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this working group would be over before it starts, not because of "safety" or making us "targets" (we already are) but because it would be useless as it could only be presumed infiltrated from jump
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I was very against going into the conversation but the discussion on the floor was compelling to me. It's clear we need to do something, just that this isn't it.
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ZAA trick ZAAAH posted:this working group would be over before it starts, not because of "safety" or making us "targets" (we already are) but because it would be useless as it could only be presumed infiltrated from jump absolutely. and making a national forum for pigs to post poo poo on is a bad idea
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lowtax gets visited by the SS every 2 weeks for owning a comedy forum lol
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Internet Explorer posted:Molly being in favor was the hardest part for me. AFAIK she's been very involved and impacted by this work. she's also wealthy enough that she has nothing to lose lol
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jarofpiss posted:is it split right now? too close to call, so divided house with counted votes to be cast by ballot using online opavoting over resolution #9 as originally written:  if approved, the new NPC will interpret this part of it, the resolve portion ignoring all the whereas sections, as they interpret it, in a way that national's legal counsel advises. vote result to be announced in 90 minutes when lunch ends.
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dsa declaring itself antifa and then trump declaring antifa literal terrorists would be a cool way to get sent to gitmo
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Internet Explorer posted:I was very against going into the conversation but the discussion on the floor was compelling to me. It's clear we need to do something, just that this isn't it. i'm not at the convention, but this is where i'm at i think - not clear to me what a national working group would be able to do over and above what i presume most chapters are already doing in their own local organizing whenever there's an antifascist component
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:dsa declaring itself antifa and then trump declaring antifa literal terrorists would be a cool way to get sent to gitmo ive always wanted to go to cuba
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jarofpiss posted:ive always wanted to go to cuba https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ue2-ZVxpVjc
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:dsa declaring itself antifa and then trump declaring antifa literal terrorists would be a cool way to get sent to gitmo i definitely feel that "organized and official antifascist praxis" and "applause gives certain comrades panic attacks and not finger-jaggling to accommodate them is Aggression" are two factors that will come into conflict sooner or later.
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Willie Tomg posted:i definitely feel that "organized and official antifascist praxis" and "applause gives certain comrades panic attacks and not finger-jaggling to accommodate them is Aggression" are two factors that will come into conflict sooner or later. big tent!
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By not endorsing Bernie, the DSA is choosing to not endorse the misogyny, racism and antisemitism he represents.
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jarofpiss posted:gitmo has tents right? no it'd be more small 8x10 room where the lights never turn off and is 70% cot and squat toilet by floor area
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jarofpiss posted:gitmo has tents right? non-airconditioned in fact!
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Willie Tomg posted:i definitely feel that "organized and official antifascist praxis" and "applause gives certain comrades panic attacks and not finger-jaggling to accommodate them is Aggression" are two factors that will come into conflict sooner or later.  
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Optimus Subprime posted:non-airconditioned in fact! dsa anarcho primitive caucus is in for a real treat
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