Feranon posted:

wonder why they decided to just fuckin go for it now of all times. because the election is over i guess?

Mantis42 posted:

God India sucks

Feranon posted:

my understanding is that kashmir is basically being stripped of all autonomy and self-determination in the name of settler colonialism and the attendant cultural genocide

this is good if you're a hindu nationalist (like most modi supporters)

this is bad if you're kashmiri/muslim, dislike authoritarianism, or also if you dislike the prospect of a possibly-nuclear war between india and pakistan

wonder why they decided to just fuckin go for it now of all times. because the election is over i guess?

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Unfortunate that Article 370 is being converted into liberal vs conservative debate. Parties should put aside ideological fixations and debate what’s best for India’s sovereignty, peace in J&K, jobs for Kashmiri youth and justice for Kashmiri Pandits

Jose posted:

The economy is in the shitter

get that OUT of my face posted:

hmmm whose fault might that be, i wonder

CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:

nah, America is trying to align with India in a effort to build a bulwark around China, which is why the western media has been respectful of the Indian government rampaging through Kashmir, shutting down telecommunications, and arresting local political leaders.

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

India is never gonna be a "bulwark against China" though.

OhFunny posted:

https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1158...ingawful.com%2F

Yeah. This is real bad.

get that OUT of my face posted:

hmmm whose fault might that be, i wonder

Feranon posted:

my understanding is that kashmir is basically being stripped of all autonomy and self-determination in the name of settler colonialism and the attendant cultural genocide

this is good if you're a hindu nationalist (like most modi supporters)

this is bad if you're kashmiri/muslim, dislike authoritarianism, or also if you dislike the prospect of a possibly-nuclear war between india and pakistan

wonder why they decided to just fuckin go for it now of all times. because the election is over i guess?

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

India is never gonna be a "bulwark against China" though.

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Equally tellingly, the January document observes that the United States intends to invest in a “long-term strategic partnership” with India in order that New Delhi might serve as a “regional economic anchor and provider of security in the broader Indian Ocean region.” This is not mere rhetoric, not when one considers that none of Washington’s other major Asian partners are even mentioned in this document – nary a sentence for Japan, Korea, Australia or Indonesia. As Clinton recently wrote, “the United States is making a strategic bet on India’s future.”

OhFunny posted:

https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1158...ingawful.com%2F

Yeah. This is real bad.

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Locals feel the change was well planned and feel sufficiently reassured by statements and actions of Centre, sources say

Jose posted:

If India and Pakistan did decide to lob nukes at each other would the rest of the world just wait until it was over?

Jose posted:

If India and Pakistan did decide to lob nukes at each other would the rest of the world just wait until it was over?

gradenko_2000 posted:

There's a non-trivial chance that everyone nukes everyone else because they can't take the chance that all of the nukes ever launched are only targeted at India and Pakistan

Mariana Horchata posted:

OhFunny posted:

#Article370revoked was near the top of the trending charts on Twitter for me this morning. Hindu nationalists are ecstatic.

Jose posted:

If India and Pakistan did decide to lob nukes at each other would the rest of the world just wait until it was over?

Feranon posted:

the economic and ecological effects of a nuclear war between india and pakistan would prolly get billions of people killed and cause a massive worldwide depression

who knows whether everyone else would sit it out or shoot their wads but it'd be a total hellworld either way

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A “limited” nuclear war involving only 100 Hiroshima-sized bombs (i.e. of 13 kilotons each), which is less than 0.5 percent of the world’s nuclear weapons, could disrupt the global climate. More than 5 million tonnes of soot from fires in urban and industrial areas targeted by these weapons could be lofted into the upper atmosphere and cause global temperatures to fall by an average of 1.3 C for several years, shortening the growing season in many areas. The drop in temperatures would be much more severe inland, especially in the interior of North America and Eurasia. The cooler temperatures would result in a major decline in precipitation, as less water evaporates from the oceans to fall back as rain and snow. In addition, there would be a large reduction in ozone levels in the upper atmosphere, allowing increased levels of harmful ultraviolet (UV) light to reach the earth’s surface. The cooler weather, shorter growing seasons and decline in precipitation would have severe effects on agriculture. For example, it is estimated that soybean and corn production in the Midwestern United States and rice production in China would be 20 percent lower in the years immediately following the event, and 10 percent lower even after a decade

More than one billion people around the world might face starvation as a result of a limited, regional nuclear war. The world is ill-prepared to deal with a decline in food production. World food reserves cover only 60 to 70 days of consumption. In addition, there are currently some 870 million malnourished people in the world, who do not receive the minimum of 1,800 calories per day that are required to maintain body mass and perform the physical labour necessary to gather or grow food. A reduction in food intake of as little as 10 percent for a full decade would put this entire group at risk. The estimated 10 to 20 percent drop in corn and maize production could easily translate into a much larger decline in access to food because hoarding and panic are likely to drive up market prices, thereby making food unaffordable for many people. Furthermore, more than 300 million people in the world are well-nourished today but live in countries that are highly dependent on food imports. They too would be at risk if food-exporting countries halted exports to feed their own people.

gradenko_2000 posted:

https://www.icrc.org/en/doc/assets/files/2013/4132-2-nuclear-weapons-global-food-production-2013.pdf


for reference, the Indian nuclear stockpile is estimated at 200 warheads, and the Pakistani nuclear stockpile is estimated at 150 warheads. The last warhead tested by India was a 31~45 kiloton device, while the last warhead tested by Pakistan was a 20 kiloton device, both back in 1998.

so if the balloon went up, and both countries only used half their stockpiles (or the estimates of actually-usable-weapons was off by that much), and nobody else escalated the nuclear exchange, the amount of destruction and suffering would already be pretty much unimaginable

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More than 5 million tonnes of soot from fires in urban and industrial areas targeted by these weapons could be lofted into the upper atmosphere and cause global temperatures to fall by an average of 1.3 C for several years, shortening the growing season in many areas.

TeenageArchipelago posted:

see, I was going to dispute the ecological effects bit, because we've already detonated hundreds, if not thousands of nuclear weapons in the atmosphere, but the more that I think about it: India has a major problem with water supply, and disrupting that supply chain like a nuclear war potentially could could be devistating. I'm not convinced about billions, but tens to hundreds of millions? sure. I could see that potentially happening based off of my very limited understanding of the whole situation

and yeah it could easily gently caress poo poo up economically. I know that we get our CNC inserts from India, and there's probably a whole lot else that comes from there that I don't know about

gradenko_2000 posted:

https://www.icrc.org/en/doc/assets/files/2013/4132-2-nuclear-weapons-global-food-production-2013.pdf

Stairmaster posted:

No that parts only temporary

TeenageArchipelago posted:

holy poo poo I had assumed they had like a dozen each tops


also never thought about this/saw this pointed out before. just people pointing out that we had already done a fuckton of atomosphere tests, but those were done on islands in the pacific, not cities full of stuff to burn

Stairmaster posted:

No that parts only temporary