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I do think that outside the dangling plot thread in Q-Who, Guinan is a great example of how to introduce a mystery into your show that gets explained just enough. Via Time's Arrow and Generations you get some roundabout ideas as to what the deal could be with her powers and epic relationship with Picard, but those revelations still leave a lot of room to the imagination. You're never concretely told whether that's the whole story or not.
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Aug 5, 2019 21:40
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If they had Guinan in STP, would that be awesome or horrible? I honestly can't decide.
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Finster Dexter posted:If they had Guinan in STP, would that be awesome or horrible? I honestly can't decide. De-ageing these ageless characters is going to get expensive fast but yeah it would be cool.
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Aug 5, 2019 22:50
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They can use modern vfx technology to finally depict the universe erupting from guinan's hat
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Aug 5, 2019 22:51
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Drink-Mix Man posted:Guinan is a great example of how to introduce a mystery into your show that gets explained just enough. I also love that the focus of the show is never "What's Guinan's whole deal? Tune in next week to find out!" It's the sort of thing a modern show would tease out forever.
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Aug 5, 2019 23:20
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MikeJF posted:He designed it in his spare time, but building it was a full-team effort for a week. There would end up being a far better episode of Battlestar Galactica about this. A lot of Enterprise, and Voyager episodes would end up going on to be better BSG episodes (because Ronald Moore wrote TNG).
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Aug 5, 2019 23:36
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Lester Shy posted:I also love that the focus of the show is never "What's Guinan's whole deal? Tune in next week to find out!" It's the sort of thing a modern show would tease out forever. Also as I've pointed out before, in our new landscape, Guinan vs. Q would have been a Harry Potter battle.
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SlothfulCobra posted:Q doesn't seem to have any problem dealing with the Borg. Hipster_Doofus posted:I had heard of this before but never checked it out. At first I was like "yay more TNG!" but ugh even with DeLancie it's loving terrible. Even DeLancie himself is hardly turning in his best performance. I lasted 10 minutes. Honestly I don't remember Show Q being this much of a dick, and he's a huge dick in the show.
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Aug 5, 2019 23:40
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the borg are like someone who seems really cool when you casually hang a few times then you go on a full on date and their "dress up" hair is a slicked back look and they keep steering the conversation back to close up magic
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Aug 5, 2019 23:46
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Voyager is being studied by hyper-advanced space faring dinosaurs! Literal dinosaurs! How silly! Oh wait, this is actually a very good episode. Why is the dinosaur episode legitimately good?
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Aug 5, 2019 23:47
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Is Dax a Klingaboo? Discuss.
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Aug 5, 2019 23:48
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CptAwesome posted:Is Dax a Klingaboo? Discuss. yes and also worf
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CptAwesome posted:Is Dax a Klingaboo? Discuss. Dax's host is kind of a Kangaroo.
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Eiba posted:Voyager is being studied by hyper-advanced space faring dinosaurs! Literal dinosaurs! How silly! Other than being the nth example of Earth Thing Shows Up in Delta Quadrant And the n+1th example of biology being dumb on Trek (simulated evolution with no knowledge of selective pressures)
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Zesty posted:Dax's host is kind of a Kangaroo. Klingaroo 
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In Yesterday's Enterprise, Guinan was able to tell the timeline had been altered and things were wrong. Soran said that El-Aurians are called a race of "listeners," but what does that really mean? It means they're living bullshit detectors. Guinan could sense changes to reality. And what does that mean to Q? It means she can ruin his fun, because his fun is loving with people. She doesn't pose any existential threat to him, she's a threat to his ability to entertain himself by screwing with Picard and co.
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lost my old email posted:yes and also worf Worf is arguably the bigger wannabe because he was raised by humans and continually idolizes a completely false and idealized version of Klingon culture that does not exist, no matter how many times his actual experiences have proven otherwise. At least Dax’s former host was an actual diplomat with actual experience on the homeworld.
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maybe malcolm mcdowell was playing a nutter who was full of poo poo tho? soryy for posting outlandish fan theorising
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Worf is arguably the bigger wannabe because he was raised by humans and continually idolizes a completely false and idealized version of Klingon culture that does not exist, no matter how many times his actual experiences have proven otherwise. At least Dax’s former host was an actual diplomat with actual experience on the homeworld. dax was the overconfident alpha weeb to worf's hikikomori
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The Bloop posted:Other than being the nth example of Earth Thing Shows Up in Delta Quadrant It's like pointing out that the language in Darmok made no sense. That's not really the point.
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FuturePastNow posted:In Yesterday's Enterprise, Guinan was able to tell the timeline had been altered and things were wrong. This is not the text of the scene. The actual problem being encountered once again is that Star Trek is not written to be internally consistent with itself.
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I honestly kind of wish they'd done the un-Voyager (and yet so very Voyager, given 7's whole arc, basically) thing and more or less put Seska in a headlock, then drag her back to the ship and keep going. No, you don't get to leave the ship and be a crazy cultural contamination for this quadrant. You're part of this crew, whether you like it or not, and you are coming with us. poo poo, her betrayal, ultimately, caused fewer deaths and less havoc than half a dozen incidents caused by main cast members in various series for various reasons, and, you know what? You move on, and you heal, and you forgive, even if you have to slap her into the brig for a few months and then keep an eye on her pretty much 24/7 from then on. I know it would've taken a hell of a lot of non-Voyager writing and show direction to accomplish it, but I think she could have been a really interesting long-term character. Especially after the whole 7 introduction. poo poo, she might have even managed to give Beltran something to do other than be depressed.
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I'm all for keeping Seska on as conflict, but in general, I'm not really on board with the idea of the Space Nazi infiltrator that bragged about being a Space Nazi infiltrator and that if they were all Space Nazis they'd be home by now being given quarter and forgiveness. Keep her around, keep her consistent, but never stop making her the token evil teammate that no one trusts or likes.
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FuturePastNow posted:In Yesterday's Enterprise, Guinan was able to tell the timeline had been altered and things were wrong. Soran also had a poo poo-ton of material cut from the final film.
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Eiba posted:Yeah, the premise is silly as heck, but the episode was very surprisingly good. On the other hand... https://twitter.com/Popehat/status/1157048746602987520
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Jows posted:On the other hand... Darmok was ahead of it's time.
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I said come in! posted:There would end up being a far better episode of Battlestar Galactica about this. A lot of Enterprise, and Voyager episodes would end up going on to be better BSG episodes (because Ronald Moore wrote TNG). Also great because while they did some cool stuff with that ship it blew up the first time it saw serious action because it was built out of scrap by people in their spare time, of course it wasn't going to be the most advanced and awesome thing ever that would be stupid.
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teamcharlie posted:Remember, STD is what happens when current Trek showrunners try to make their own poo poo. Spoilers: it's actual human poo poo.
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Now that I've had some time to digest it, i think my favorite part of the Voyager ending is that they show you, the viewer, Earth for about 2 and a half seconds in the LAST SHOT of the episode. No scene of everyone starting at the viewscreen in awe, no "Attention all hands: ...we're home." not even a reuse of the footage from the beginning of the episode where Voyager is shown on Earth. It feels so much like a copout I almost can't believe it's there. Seven years of reminiscing and dreaming about what being back on Earth would be like, and then we get shown a distant jpeg of it and cut to black. I think Earth had more screentime in the epiosde where Seven shows Naomi a picture of Earth in Astrometrics. It'd be hilarious if it wasn't so...Voyager.
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curiousTerminal posted:Now that I've had some time to digest it, i think my favorite part of the Voyager ending is that they show you, the viewer, Earth for about 2 and a half seconds in the LAST SHOT of the episode. No scene of everyone starting at the viewscreen in awe, no "Attention all hands: ...we're home." not even a reuse of the footage from the beginning of the episode where Voyager is shown on Earth. Berman and Braga had tossed the running of Voyager to Kenneth Biller in the seventh season because they were busy developing Enterprise, and ... yeah, he wrote that episode and he was not very good at his job.
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Star Trek needs more pizza-themed episodes. Maybe an episode of Picard where he orders a pizza from a nearby pizzeria, and they beam it to his home and he eats pizza with Data.
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Well, now I'm thinking of Star Trek and pizza and my brain has decided this stupid thing needs to exist: TOS - Cheese Pizza - It's a great start and satisfies most people TNG - Pepperoni Pizza - It's a classic everyone loves DS9 - Supreme Pizza - The best pizza, but most of your friends are far too picky to ever try it. VOY - Hawaiian Pizza - It's... not great, not the worst. Inexplicably popular. ENT - A St. Louis-style pineapple and anchovy pizza someone who's just so loving tired of cooking made from scratch without first washing their hands - Easily the worst The only thing I'v seen of STD is the first two episodes and then the stupidest poo poo in gif format so I guess it would be some artisan pizza that people who like it really loving like it but most people haven't ever tried more than the sample, but the sample was made by a different person who doesn't work at the restaurant anymore. 8one6 fucked around with this message at 08:06 on Aug 6, 2019 |
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Aug 6, 2019 08:04
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Disco is the hip, fun "healthy pizza" made out of nothing but fruit.
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STD is the grilled cheese made with ketchup, kraft singles and 8+ year old dried oregano. Really lovely, and not actually pizza.
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curiousTerminal posted:Disco is the hip, fun "healthy pizza" made out of nothing but fruit. I’m calling the HUAC Hotline and then the cops.
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ThinkGeek Star Trek Enterprise Pizza Cutter https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B004FQDWP0/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_HQvsDb05DC3HH If you're not cutting pizza with this you're losing at life.
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8one6 posted:Well, now I'm thinking of Star Trek and pizza and my brain has decided this stupid thing needs to exist: Uh-oh, looks like we're caught in a temporal causality loop Sir Lemming posted:TOS is cheese pizza, but not from NY, but it's the best you could get at the time so you just dealt with it Sir Lemming posted:Each original franchise movie is a single slice of pizza. Varying quality, but the one constant is that it's not nearly enough to be a full meal. Sir Lemming posted:No wait I figured it out, Discovery is like opening a Chicago deep-dish pizza joint in the middle of NYC. It's like okay, this is fine Chicago pizza but what are you doing in the middle of NYC? Sir Lemming fucked around with this message at 13:11 on Aug 6, 2019 |
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Sir Lemming posted:Uh-oh, looks like we're caught in a temporal causality loop 
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Bashir was very eager to gently caress his great great grandmother when they went back in time. I've never really watched TOS but I could tell it really was a love letter to it. Great episode.
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