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"There are [Remainer] Conservative and Lib Dem MPs who are interested in joining us if we do form a new party because of Brexit." , sure there are. Hundreds of them. They might get Chuka.Borrovan posted:Right, back to the start of the thread with me.
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Ah just like they did at Aberdeen City Council lol
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I wonder how many of them will even still be the Labour candidates at the next election...
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Over a year old so I guess CUK will have shown them how popular that move would be.
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thespaceinvader posted:I wonder how many of them will even still be the Labour candidates at the next election... Depends. Reelection takes ages if there are even any candidates and if a GE is called halfway through the process you run with your current MP.
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Miftan posted:Depends. Reelection takes ages if there are even any candidates and if a GE is called halfway through the process you run with your current MP. At least a few of the worst have voluntarily not continued in post already, though. Albeit, the likes of Hoey wouldn't have been joining this group anyway.
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namesake posted:Over a year old so I guess CUK will have shown them how popular that move would be. Ah whoops, didn't see it was August 7 2018 rather than 2019.
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Borrovan posted:Comrades, I've been visiting family away from internet so have barely caught up with last month's thread yet, but I thought you'd want to know as a matter of urgency: Stone walls and riding mower? 
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How else are you going to get more beer when you're piss drunk?
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thespaceinvader posted:I'd prefer for environmental orgs that are researching green power to have NONE of the oil companies' money, and their lobbyists, pet politicians, propaganda youtube channels and youtubers, TV channels, roving science denialists, etc, to also have none of their money, than for both to have their money. The latter are doing FAR more harm than the former are doing good. Can you quote where I defend them? I am just pointing out that without them and similar companies key low carbon projects would not be funded. I also believe that if all oil companies were to cease to exist tomorrow a lot of people would die. I wish the world was very different too but we have an urgent problem so need to start with the world as it is. We would need the perfect economic system to be in place tomorrow I doubt we would get our ducks in a row in time. That doesn't mean we shouldn't push for better and I would encourage anyone committed to that. Guavanaut posted:I wonder if they'll give me a grant to burn my piss as a means of energy storage. UKMT piss is extremely high energy. I think they do plastics through pyrolisis but it has been a while since I was close to it.
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Zalakwe posted:UKMT piss is extremely high energy. The biggest shame about plastic pyrolysis is that we had huge facilities for it in every major town and city, enough to completely manage our plastic waste, and then we shut them all down just before plastic waste started to became a problem.
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Zalakwe posted:Can you quote where I defend them? I mean, what else is naming a specific company and saying they enabled the government to do a Good Environment Thing?
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Not that it is going to matter in any way but that Three Knights Opinion predates Parliament passing the European Union (Notification of Withdrawal) Act, which allowed May to invoke article 50. That Act satisfied the constitutional requirement of an Act of Parliament being needed to approve withdrawal as per the Miller case. The notification of withdrawal having been given, the UK is now on the extendable two-year clock of EU law, which can only be stopped by Parliament revoking the A50 notification, not by some British lawyers taking it upon themselves to re-interpret EU law. Pluskut Tukker fucked around with this message at 16:01 on Aug 7, 2019 |
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Centrism: Both left and right are equally bad. Radical Centrism: We need to borrow ideas from the left, the right, and elsewhere, and meld them together in pragmatic and rational ways without being clouded by ideology (no Zizeks allowed). Hyperradical Geodesic Paraboloid Centrism: 
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thespaceinvader posted:I mean, what else is naming a specific company and saying they enabled the government to do a Good Environment Thing? It's just that, a statement of fact. To be honest I know very little about Schlumberger aside from their involvement in that particular project. My only points are that: 1 "Oil companies are having a terrible impact on the environment and must do better" and "Oil companies are important to funding some important environmental projects" are both statements of fact. 2. Given the scale of the problem and timeframe involved we need to be practical as well as confrontational.
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The contention, however, is that oil companies are systemically incapable of actually doing less harm than good, that they will only ever fund desirable projects as a fraction of the damage they do. The practical outcome is that they and everyone else continue to half arse the effort until an almost incomprehensible amount of death occurs and this will retroactively be considered the sensible middle ground.
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Zalakwe posted:It's just that, a statement of fact. To be honest I know very little about Schlumberger aside from their involvement in that particular project. I disagree wholeheartedly wityh all three statements here. 1: Oil companies are having a terrible impact on the environment and must do better: oil companies are probably the single worst group of companies for the environment, and should be forcibly broken up. 2: Oil companies are important to funding some important environmental projects: that funding could and should come from governments taxing everyone and using the money to pay for those environmental projects. Oil companies providing it is purely and simply an effort for them to make more profit by seeming more environmentally friendly, so they can pump more oil and sell mroe oil products. Them supporting environmental projects is actively hurting the environment as a result. Because their very EXISTENCE hurts the environment. 3: Given the scale of the problem and timeframe involved we need to be practical as well as confrontationa: we've tried practical for the past loving half century, it hasn't worked. It's time for confrontational.
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Bit late on Ireland TV chat, but the best NI comedy ever is a show called Pulling Moves https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulling_Moves Derry Girls is a documentary. And Give My Head Peace is just poo poo. happyhippy fucked around with this message at 16:35 on Aug 7, 2019 |
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OwlFancier posted:The practical outcome is that they and everyone else continue to half arse the effort until an almost incomprehensible amount of death occurs This is your answer to everything.
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Zalakwe posted:It's just that, a statement of fact. To be honest I know very little about Schlumberger aside from their involvement in that particular project. *If you could somehow make extremely cheap synthetic oil from atmospheric carbon, I suppose oil companies could work, though then we get back to the problem of capitalism in general. If you're making a product, why not sell all of it, rather than sequester some for the good of mankind?
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NotJustANumber99 posted:This is your answer to everything. I'll stop saying it when it stops being accurate.
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Zalakwe posted:It's just that, a statement of fact. To be honest I know very little about Schlumberger aside from their involvement in that particular project. Or, to put it another way: if I take £100 out of your bank account, but I give you back one in exchange, does that sound like a good loving exchange? Does that sound like something worthy even of bringing up in a positive sense?
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 Katie Hopkins - "Black man talking about stabbings this is sad dick can's London  "
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Sadly the most progress we can hope for at the moment is 'not sticking in several more knives then complaining that you are killing the knife-sticking industry by dying'.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Profits from fossil fuels < the cost of the externalities of fossil fuels Isn't this true for almost all industries? I vaguely remember a paper being released sometime last year to that effect - that once environmental externalities are included, all but one industry is unprofitable. Can't find it now, though, and can't remember which industry was the ok one.
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Capitalism is literally about externalizing the costs of your own profits.
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CGI Stardust posted:Isn't this true for almost all industries? I vaguely remember a paper being released sometime last year to that effect - that once environmental externalities are included, all but one industry is unprofitable. Can't find it now, though, and can't remember which industry was the ok one. Flint knapping?
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thespaceinvader posted:Sadly the most progress we can hope for at the moment is 'not sticking in several more knives then complaining that you are killing the knife-sticking industry by dying'. CGI Stardust posted:Isn't this true for almost all industries? I vaguely remember a paper being released sometime last year to that effect - that once environmental externalities are included, all but one industry is unprofitable. Can't find it now, though, and can't remember which industry was the ok one.
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Don't think I saw this posted here, but man, this thread, and the follow up threads posted at the bottom, and his further answers to the comments underneath, are an absolute pro read. https://twitter.com/HasBezosDecided/status/1155636395236634624?s=19
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Babby's first LTV, though yes it's still I think the most persuasive argument available to a would be commie.
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CGI Stardust posted:Isn't this true for almost all industries? I vaguely remember a paper being released sometime last year to that effect - that once environmental externalities are included, all but one industry is unprofitable. Can't find it now, though, and can't remember which industry was the ok one. *On the global warming front at least. Obviously nothing works in the long term under capitalism.
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:Don't think I saw this posted here, but man, this thread, and the follow up threads posted at the bottom, and his further answers to the comments underneath, are an absolute pro read. I read the third thread and couldn't help but think that if my company was a WSDE, I would have already been fired for being the weirdo who barely talks to anybody. How can socialism benefit the asocial? AceOfFlames fucked around with this message at 18:40 on Aug 7, 2019 |
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A Buttery Pastry posted:That might be the case, but the externalities of oil seem both more dangerous, persistent, and harder to get around technologically than for most types of industries. Like, a lot of industries would work perfectly fine with renewable energy*, but oil needs the extra step of actual sequestering CO2 to get around its long-term externalities. And not only sequestration, but cheap sequestration, if you expect anyone to ever force oil companies to pay for it. Thinking about it, if it was cheap enough and technologically possible, they'd probably just use the tech to make essentially free oil and just pretend to pump it back, while in actuality selling it all. Have to keep CO2 levels high to make money sequestering CO2! The big two I seem to remember as the worst offenders (hugely anti-profitable) were oil and agriculture, by some distance. Oil makes sense for the reasons you've given, and agriculture because of the damage caused by intensive farming. Wish I could dig up the paper.
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gently caress politics, dude has a cat and kittens! How are they doing, more pics, more cats, more kittens. Godspeed.
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AceOfFlames posted:I read the third thread and couldn't help but think that if my company was a WSDE, I would have already been fired for being the weirdo who barely talks to anybody. That's kind of like complaining that you need to eat to live. Or that people don't react well when you're rude to them. Some things are simply the realities of living in a society of other humans, and I am not particularly keen on constructing a society to cater for the sociopathic at the expense of everyone else.
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namesake posted:Over a year old so I guess CUK will have shown them how popular that move would be. You say that but only last week there was a Graun article calling for a New Centrist Party, and the current stuff about a government of national unity is even dumber than a New Centrist Party
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OwlFancier posted:That's kind of like complaining that you need to eat to live. Or that people don't react well when you're rude to them. I don't think he's saying he's sociopathic. I think he means introvert. I'm not really knowledgeable about WDSE's so I don't quite understand his issue. Would introverts fare badly in such a system? Because i'm pretty sure some of us are just wired that way. You might be able to remove some of the anxiety via therapy but we're never going to go out of our way to meet people or party.
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