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Counselling and therapy can help if someone does need a space to explore their self or to challenge mental phenomena like attitudes they have or behaviours they want to change. It's definitely not something to scoff at. But psychology is as good at addressing sociological problems as biology would be at addressing psychological problems: not completely useless, but definitely not the answer.
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I mean I'm sure that in theory you could train someone to be like a qualified therapist where they are good at fixing your brainmeats or whatever I just don't think I've ever met one.
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Aug 9, 2019 14:18
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Regarde Aduck posted:NHS mental health services are some bullshit. I'd like to say 'they're doing their best' but I don't know if I believe that. I think most people involved are trying their best but the ultimate problem is that services are hugely oversubscribed and underfunded. 6 month waits for a referral to a psychiatrist just for an evaluation and in the meantime a fob off with CBT, guided if you're lucky but probably just "here's some homework, knock yourself out". And the increase in uptake in mental health problems isn't just that we're better at talking about how are brains are hosed up than we were 2 decades ago, a lot of it is directly related to the society we live in. Late capitalism is filled with people under enormous stress from things like insecure employment, extortionate rent or having to live with your folks into your 30s, massive economic inequality, the jobs we do have are often utterly pointless busy work that exists to make number go up, the impending climate disaster. And who the gently caress is going to save us from late capitalism? Yes, the NHS mental health services need a big increase in funding. Probably the entire nature of the NHS needs shaken up to better cope with the mental health epidemic. But as usually is the case in medicine, preventative medicine is more effective than curative; stop being getting ill and that's going to need revolutionary changes to how society and the economy operates. How we treat the unemployed and the poor.
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Azza Bamboo posted:Counselling and therapy can help if someone does need a space to explore their self or to challenge mental phenomena like attitudes they have or behaviours they want to change. It's definitely not something to scoff at. Vaguely related to socio-medical phenomena:  *laughs in 14th century rattus rattus*
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Aug 9, 2019 14:19
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Guavanaut posted:It's very hard to encourage people to change the way they react to or process things if you're going to accuse them of making those things up though. Genuinely surprised north America isn't at the bottom...
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forkboy84 posted:Is it a hot take to say that some police do try to do the right thing on occasion? Because ACAB doesn't mean literally every copper is scum, I always took it as more of a generalisation about the institution. In that respect The Wire is very right because the takeaway is that a handful of decent people trying to do the right thing makes gently caress all difference when the institution is as utterly hosed as policing is. That's why The Wire was good, because it pointed out that every institution in modern Baltimore is hosed because of politics and special interests and corruption. Individually there's well intentioned people in the police but there's also far more lazy grifters, morons, yes-men, thugs and politicians. It's not Breaking Bad in making the bad people cool, but it does do a terrific job of pointing out that the gangsters and dealers are people and some of them are good people in a poo poo place and some of them are absolutely as scummy as Commissioner Burrell. Oh yeah, for sure, I was being a bit facetious, The Wire makes it very clear who and what is to blame, and to its credit even the main cast occasionally get in on blatant police brutality. As you say though it doesn't really point to any conclusions and I guess I'm just leery of police protagonist poo poo in general nowadays (he says as he compulsively rewatches it). Like Boots Riley's criticism of BlackkKlansman Edit - oh and what happened to your friend is loving terrible, Camrath, and whatever happens I hope that therapist gets nailed. Defo get your friend an account though Barry Foster fucked around with this message at 14:25 on Aug 9, 2019 |
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OwlFancier posted:I'm not entirely convinced that therapists aren't just pulled in off the street tbh.
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Guavanaut posted:It's very hard to encourage people to change the way they react to or process things if you're going to accuse them of making those things up though. Shockingly, the places where diseases that vaccines prevent are still rampant are at the top of the list. An in Europe we are priming ourselves for measles outbreaks that will kill babies that are too young to receive vaccinations until some governing body has the balls to step in and class it as criminal neglect.
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Guavanaut posted:It's very hard to encourage people to change the way they react to or process things if you're going to accuse them of making those things up though. is there a reason why eastern europe is at the bottom?
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forkboy84 posted:I think most people involved are trying their best but the ultimate problem is that services are hugely oversubscribed and underfunded. 6 month waits for a referral to a psychiatrist just for an evaluation and in the meantime a fob off with CBT, guided if you're lucky but probably just "here's some homework, knock yourself out". And the increase in uptake in mental health problems isn't just that we're better at talking about how are brains are hosed up than we were 2 decades ago, a lot of it is directly related to the society we live in. Late capitalism is filled with people under enormous stress from things like insecure employment, extortionate rent or having to live with your folks into your 30s, massive economic inequality, the jobs we do have are often utterly pointless busy work that exists to make number go up, the impending climate disaster. And who the gently caress is going to save us from late capitalism? Yes, mental health is political as well as personal. Depression and anxiety are healthy mental responses to the pressures of being in poverty in a late capitalist society because it shows self-protection and self-actualization. This is the main issue with the NHS mental health service for me, even more than the lack of funding. The support they give can help you with personal and relational issues but they cannot and will not challenge the societal factors that are impacting on your mental health. This is where we as agitators need to step in by making sure people are having these conversations and that they're being heard.
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forkboy84 posted:Obviously it doesn't have any real answers to this, and none of its observations ever make it past liberalism but as far as a liberal criticism of the current world it was pretty good even if most stuff influenced by it since has the subtlety of a brick to the testicles. quote:That's the myth of it, the required lie that allows us to render our judgments. Parasites, criminals, dope fiends, dope peddlers, whores--when we can ride past them at Fayette and Monroe, car doors locked, our field of vision cautiously restricted to the road ahead, then the long journey into darkness is underway. Pale-skinned hillbillies and hard-faced yos, toothless white trash and gold-front gangsters--when we can glide on and feel only fear, we're well on the way. And if, after a time, we can glimpse the spectacle of the corner and manage nothing beyond loathing and contempt, then we've arrived at last at that naked place where a man finally sees the sense in stretching razor wire and building barracks and directing cattle cars into the compound. mediadave posted:is there a reason why eastern europe is at the bottom? CyberPingu posted:the places where diseases that vaccines prevent are still rampant are at the top of the list.
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So a massive thank you to everyone who has offered advice and support to my friend (who just found an SA account gift cert in her mail and will hopefully be here soon herself..). I’ve literally been moved to tears by the decency and solidarity you’ve all shown. It always strikes me as weird that the same place responsible for unleashing 4chan on the world has such a holdout of decent people, but I’d not change it for the world.
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Camrath posted:So a massive thank you to everyone who has offered advice and support to my friend (who just found an SA account gift cert in her mail and will hopefully be here soon herself..). I’ve literally been moved to tears by the decency and solidarity you’ve all shown. Wasn't 4chan "unleashed" because SA kicked out the worst of the shitheads?
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Aug 9, 2019 14:38
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Also apparently the forum was once infested with libertarians or something. Sounds dreadful tbh. It's really strange to me when people at the bottom of society get labeled as parasites because, like, the word is infinitely more fitting for the people at the top? What do they put you in mind of if not some kind of tick that stuffs itself many times over full of the blood of others while dispensing nothing but disease?
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Camrath posted:So a massive thank you to everyone who has offered advice and support to my friend (who just found an SA account gift cert in her mail and will hopefully be here soon herself..). I’ve literally been moved to tears by the decency and solidarity you’ve all shown. 4chan are the people kicked out of here.
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4chan was set up because lowtax wouldn't let people post overt racial slurs, 8chan was set up because moot wouldn't let people post child abuse images. The internet is a series of barrel bottoms.
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Camrath posted:It always strikes me as weird that the same place responsible for unleashing 4chan on the world has such a holdout of decent people, but I’d not change it for the world. She's most welcome, just warn her to stay out of GBS.
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Junior G-man posted:She's most welcome, just warn her to stay out of GBS. And FYAD, and YOSPOS, and TCC, and TFR...
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Jedit posted:And FYAD, and YOSPOS, and TCC, and TFR... Hey now, TCC and TFR are ok.. In fact we went shooting with a guy from TFR on the last America trip we did together. Got to play with his fully automatic uzi, which was frankly sweet af Edit: have a Maine coon kitten for being nice people. https://imgur.com/gallery/JrQVeGV
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Camrath posted:She is pretty awesome. Retrained as a lawyer in her thirties, started a punk band with me and played all over the country and America in her forties, now manages a really sweet brewery. Part of me wants to buy her an account here tbh Do it.
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Camrath posted:So a massive thank you to everyone who has offered advice and support to my friend (who just found an SA account gift cert in her mail and will hopefully be here soon herself..). I’ve literally been moved to tears by the decency and solidarity you’ve all shown. There are some loving good people in this thread, and the support they show is incredible. Do please warn your friend that this thread is largely an aberration Rarity posted:Yes, mental health is political as well as personal. Depression and anxiety are healthy mental responses to the pressures of being in poverty in a late capitalist society because it shows self-protection and self-actualization. This is the main issue with the NHS mental health service for me, even more than the lack of funding. The support they give can help you with personal and relational issues but they cannot and will not challenge the societal factors that are impacting on your mental health. This is where we as agitators need to step in by making sure people are having these conversations and that they're being heard. This is the wall I've hit with my therapy (also IAPT). We're most of the way through the CBT stuff, and my therapist brought in the graph of my sadbrains and scaredbrains scores and they've stayed basically the same for 10 weeks. I tried to explain that I feel quite well equipped to deal with personal problems, but I've also got the glasses from They Live glued to my face and I'd like help with that please. Tarnop fucked around with this message at 14:59 on Aug 9, 2019 |
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Jedit posted:Wasn't 4chan "unleashed" because SA kicked out the worst of the shitheads? Guavanaut posted:4chan was set up because lowtax wouldn't let people post overt racial slurs, 8chan was set up because moot wouldn't let people post child abuse images. The internet is a series of barrel bottoms. It was for anime but otherwise you are correct.
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Aug 9, 2019 14:56
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Tarnop posted:There are some loving good people in this thread, and the support they show is incredible. Do please warn your friend that this thread is largely an aberration Yeah I've made sure that's clear. Though I'll say the forums are a hell of a lot nicer than five or ten or fifteen years ago, that might be a function of not going past the bookmarked threads in my control panel for years..
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My GF is a psychologist and of course I'm biased but I think she's pretty good, but you should hear the horror stories of some therapists she tells me. They bring all their loving bias to therapy, which is a big no no, but almost everyone does it. She had a therapist once where after a few sessions the counseling was reversed, my GF was actually helping the therapist cope with poo poo It's insane, but it's like every other job, there are good and bad practitioners and you should keep looking as much as you can until you find what suits you Transphobic shits should be fired though that's obvious. Also, even if the therapist doubted the story theres absolutely no way that they could say so, everything the patient says is true until they say it's a lie. If they're saying a lie in that safe of an environment, there's a pretty deep reason to do so
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Games is generally fairly chill but I do, admittedly, only read threads for games I play, which are generally good games.
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Camrath posted:So a massive thank you to everyone who has offered advice and support to my friend (who just found an SA account gift cert in her mail and will hopefully be here soon herself..). I’ve literally been moved to tears by the decency and solidarity you’ve all shown. Please pass her this pamphlet on the benefits of Rowdy Ringsports
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Rarity posted:Please pass her this pamphlet on the benefits of Rowdy Ringsports gently caress yeah, wrestling makes me genuinely happy, and that forum is alright! Sorry to keep bringing up my drat therapy, but she doesn't half look at me like I'm a simpleton when I tell her what I've been doing with my time. Turns out wrasslin', D&D and board games don't give off that air of sophistication I'd hoped to acquire by the time I turned 40
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The woman in my office who calls her son a little poof, or gayboy, or human being (to his face) today was letting everyone know that gay men are more likely to be pedos aren’t they, she’s not being horrible, it’s just a thing, everyone knows it. Last time I called someone out I got told off and when I said “I’m not listening to that poo poo” got told it’s not my place to correct people, we have a complaints process. Soooo.... made the formal complaint, and then got up and left. My “not going to listen to that poo poo” was never formally addressed so I’m treating it as my current position on the matter. I’m cross, but I’m also home by three and drinking a beer in the garden. Not sure how I feel about all this, or how it’ll play out next week. Cam, sorry to hear about your friend. Hope she joins us here.
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Guavanaut posted:David Simon gets a lot more shouty about systemic issues in his written work than you'd get away with on television, but still stops short of radical solutions. I like his rant at middle class white America from the end of The Corner. Which makes it all the more disappointing that he's been very 'we need sensible Democratic Party Politics back' and (iirc) critical of Sanders. It's like, goddamn, you made a series where the end boss is obviously capitalism seemingly without realising it Also,  Camrath and soon-to-be goon
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Realtalk: Rowdy Ringsports and Games are both secret hotbeds of left-wing theory and I love them for it 
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Camrath posted:Yeah I've made sure that's clear. Bit late to the the party, but hope your friend is ok. I think a lot of it is that the user base of SA has gotten older and more mellow; far less edgy teens with terrible opinions.
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Camrath posted:Yeah I've made sure that's clear. I think most of the specialist threads have always been fine, or if there is beef it's a dumb slap fight about which camera lens or cpu or whatever is best. It's mostly just GBS and FYAD that have been cesspits. And even then both have produced some pretty great stuff... I am glad the 'poison womb' days are gone though
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Camrath posted:Yeah I've made sure that's clear. Yeah, you're right, they are better in general. I've always assumed it was down to a general desire to not be the hellhole that is Reddit
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baka kaba posted:^ if you can find a very smart financial institution, sure! How's your rolodex looking? Posting from the world of tomorrow to say this poo poo makes me so mad. World's on fire and motherfucking bankers are pissing about running huge scams to make imaginary numbers get bigger. Why do we allow this? "Synthetic financial products" is so painfully close to just admitting it's all made up, too. If there were five bankers to my left and one to my right I would push the button labelled MULTI TRACK DRIFTING with zero hesitation.
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