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Squalid posted:https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/aug/05/iran-sanctioned-after-foreign-minister-declined-trumps-chat-invitation The thing is with Iran, is that they would absolutely be better for negotiating with Trump and try to get a North Korea out of him. Chances are they'd end up with a more generous deal than the current one.
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mediadave posted:The thing is with Iran, is that they would absolutely be better for negotiating with Trump and try to get a North Korea out of him. Chances are they'd end up with a more generous deal than the current one. It's possible, but their position is worse than North Korea's for a number of reasons: they don't actually have nukes, the conservative movement in the US has a more visceral hatred of Iran than North Korea (which I think would make it harder for Trump-friendly media to pretend a bad deal is a good deal, particularly if it's clearly worse than Obama's deal), and Trump cares more about what KSA and Israel think than what Japan and South Korea think (and South Korea was in favor of negotiation anyway). https://twitter.com/idreesali114/status/1158655649879904258 Dr Kool-AIDS fucked around with this message at 13:04 on Aug 6, 2019 |
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Flayer posted:S-400s in Iran? More likely than you think! They already have S-300s so it’s not a huge leap.
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It feels like all of the poo poo is collectively hitting the fan now between Iran, China, Syria, NK, and Venezuela
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FlamingLiberal posted:It feels like all of the poo poo is collectively hitting the fan now between Iran, China, Syria, NK, and Venezuela That could describe almost any point in the last 20 years.
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You do know that there are levels for human misery right Anyway what's happening to the world is to me the result of absolutely zero American diplomatic influence besides military threats and economic policy, aka tariffs. All the elephants are roaming freely in the china shop now, and you can tell.
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And the person trying to do punitive economic policy doesn't actually understand the first thing about economic policy. Nor about applying military pressure, for that matterFlamingLiberal posted:It feels like all of the poo poo is collectively hitting the fan now between Iran, China, Syria, NK, and Venezuela It's the culmination of 3 years of dismantling the state department and american foreign policy writ large into something that is more directionless and counterproductive than ever before, even by the already stunningly low standards of american FP
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So uh, is there enough room in the Gulf for Iran-Russia drills and US-UK tanker convoys?
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RIP Syndrome posted:So uh, is there enough room in the Gulf for Iran-Russia drills and US-UK tanker convoys? Between the two of them they might be able to get a small-to-moderate sized battlegroup together and cruise around a bit.
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Venezuela sucks, Syria sucks, Iran is dicking around with tankers, China and the US are having a trade spat, and NK is mostly quiet while occasionally making outrageous threats.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Trump keeps giving Kim what he wants so NK is emboldened to shoot missiles Maybe, but I wouldn't underestimate how much of NK's boldness in terms of missile testing is directly linked with the ongoing trade war and Beijing giving them maybe not-so tacit approval to resume testing so long as the US refuses to play ball
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FlamingLiberal posted:Except now Turkey is threatening to invade Syria from the north, we just started an embargo on VZ, we completely destroyed relations with Iran, and Trump keeps giving Kim what he wants so NK is emboldened to shoot missiles Turkey already invaded Syria a couple years ago. An embargo is new, yes, but there have been sanctions forever plus that coup attempt way back in Chavez's day. Re: Iran is just back to the old low. And NK shooting missiles is totally normal, it's nuke tests that are exceptional. With Syria being comparatively quiet things aren't really that crazy. Right now I'm more worried about Kashmir than anything.
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Spill the beans Brown Moses
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orange sky posted:Spill the beans Brown Moses Hopefully soon.
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FlamingLiberal posted:It feels like all of the poo poo is collectively hitting the fan now between Iran, China, Syria, NK, and Venezuela Don't forget India! In a huge firestorm of zero publicity whatsoever India made one of the largest troop movements in human history to secure a fractious border state.
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Willie Tomg posted:Don't forget India! In a huge firestorm of zero publicity whatsoever India made one of the largest troop movements in human history to secure a fractious border state. Tell me more
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Willie Tomg posted:Don't forget India! In a huge firestorm of zero publicity whatsoever India made one of the largest troop movements in human history to secure a fractious border state. And it looks like it's very likely to be step one in a stunningly brutal campaign of ethnic cleansing even by the standards of India in Kashmir.
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PittTheElder posted:Tell me more Check out the relevant thread for it tbh--while I kinda like the aesthetic of this thread sprawling out from ME to an area stretching from Tunisia to Xinjiang sometimes its nice to be focused--but basically the sun set on a regular day in Kashmir and the sun rose to several hundred thousand more Indian soldiers seizing every single civil building, major road, and shutting off all telecoms in the state. It's a combination of the size, effectiveness and comprehensiveness of deployment with utter secrecy and speed and I'm pretty sure the only reason it's not leading news all over the word is because the relevant agencies cannot believe it just loving happened.
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PittTheElder posted:Tell me more Start here: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3883218&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=3#post497263229
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Willie Tomg posted:Check out the relevant thread for it tbh--while I kinda like the aesthetic of this thread sprawling out from ME to an area stretching from Tunisia to Xinjiang sometimes its nice to be focused--but basically the sun set on a regular day in Kashmir and the sun rose to several hundred thousand more Indian soldiers seizing every single civil building, major road, and shutting off all telecoms in the state. It's a combination of the size, effectiveness and comprehensiveness of deployment with utter secrecy and speed and I'm pretty sure the only reason it's not leading news all over the word is because the relevant agencies cannot believe it just loving happened.
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Willie Tomg posted:Check out the relevant thread for it tbh--while I kinda like the aesthetic of this thread sprawling out from ME to an area stretching from Tunisia to Xinjiang sometimes its nice to be focused--but basically the sun set on a regular day in Kashmir and the sun rose to several hundred thousand more Indian soldiers seizing every single civil building, major road, and shutting off all telecoms in the state. It's a combination of the size, effectiveness and comprehensiveness of deployment with utter secrecy and speed and I'm pretty sure the only reason it's not leading news all over the word is because the relevant agencies cannot believe it just loving happened. So how many troops? One of the largest troop movements in human history is hyperbole I assume, but has anyone attempted a count? I heard about troops moving in, but also that telcoms lines were cut/blocked and that people weren't able to find out what was happening.
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Count Roland posted:So how many troops? One of the largest troop movements in human history is hyperbole I assume, but has anyone attempted a count? 100,000 is the current count. So, y'know, pretty big. And yeah, take it to the other thread.
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Weird take, but interesting considering the source.quote:Firas Al-Assad, cousin of Syrian President Bashar Al-Assad, attacked his family on Facebook, accusing them of killing more than 100,000 Alawites and more than half a million Syrians in order to stay in power. https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20190807-assads-cousin-the-regime-has-killed-more-than-500000-syrians/ Given the 1982 Hama massacre, I'm not so sure Hafez wouldn't have gone to these lengths if push had come to a shove, but it is interesting to think about what might have happened had Assad executed Makhlouf and Najib as a concession to the protesters. I don't know if it would've prevented all of this but it definitely would've had a greater impact than just trying to beat the protests into silence.
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Darkman Fanpage posted:drat boy Remember that war in Afghanistan?
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Unimpressed posted:Sounds like mission accomplished to me. The only real aim was to stop Afghanistan being used by Al Qaeda, everything else was neo con fluff. Like the US really gives a poo poo about female education, pfft. I kinda wish we did :/ More seriously - I know the war has to end, but it kind of bums me out that, over all these years, and maybe if we hadn’t invaded Iraq, we could’ve done some good. So much thrown away, and nothing has changed.
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Dreissi posted:I kinda wish we did :/ There really was never any good way to do Afghanistan short of investment and control on a massive scale which would amount to making it a permanent colony. Which uh has its own downsides.
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Yeah I really think wishcasting for an Afghanistan War that might have been goes beyond a fruitless pursuit into actually counterproductive thinking, because it legitimizes the idea of the good war that makes the world a better place if only we had more competent militarists running the show. Afghanistan was still going to have warlords, bad neighbors, and no longstanding traditions of democratic legitimacy to look back to, so the odds were always strongly against things working out even in a best case scenario.
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We've been in Afghanistan longer than we were in Vietnam, which is crazy to think about
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FlamingLiberal posted:We've been in Afghanistan longer than we were in Vietnam, which is crazy to think about No, it is not currently late 2021 or late 2026.
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OhFunny posted:Remember that war in Afghanistan? Don't the Taliban always come to the negotiating table in the fall, because the winters are so loving brutal up in the mountains that there's not going to be any fighting anyway, then always break it off in the spring after the snow melts? I seem to remember this being a recurring thing.
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So wait.... the agreement lets the Taliban attack government forces? Am I misreading? If so, how's that not throwing them under a convoy of buses?
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Oracle posted:Don't the Taliban always come to the negotiating table in the fall, because the winters are so loving brutal up in the mountains that there's not going to be any fighting anyway, then always break it off in the spring after the snow melts? I seem to remember this being a recurring thing. Summer is the fighting season, yes, and the Taliban and other groups trend to lay low during the winter. I don't know how previous agreements with rebel groups have gone; this is the first to include the US I believe.
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Dawncloack posted:If so, how's that not throwing them under a convoy of buses? 
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https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1160200767925608448?s=19quote:ADEN (Reuters) - Yemen’s southern separatists have taken effective control of Aden, seat of the internationally recognized government, fracturing the Saudi-led coalition which is trying to break the grip of the Iran-aligned Houthi movement on the country. Great coalition you built there MBS.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Is there even much left of Yemen at this point? Enough to keep killing Saudis.
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Dawncloack posted:So wait.... the agreement lets the Taliban attack government forces? Am I misreading? Yes, it does. No, you're not. That's exactly what it is. If this actually goes through it's a hilarious Peace With Honor type thing so the US can just leave and let the Taliban win without having to officially say "ok you guys win."
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Great job MBS, great job. I wonder if he'll huff and puff against his master in Abu Dhabi after they just blatantly backstabbed him like this in Yemen after a long and disastrous failure. What UAE just did to saudi in this represents a massive problem to Saudi security. Al-Saqr fucked around with this message at 20:18 on Aug 10, 2019 |
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