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being that Epstein was (allegedly) a purveyor of underage girls to the world's elite there are quite literally hundreds of people who would rather see him dead than alive and testifying wouldn't surprise me if the screws who had shifts guarding his particular section spent the last couple of weeks playing all the bidders off against each other until they'd got a high enough offer to do him in e: catte harness in action 
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Julio Cruz posted:being that Epstein was (allegedly) a purveyor of underage girls to the world's elite there are quite literally hundreds of people who would rather see him dead than alive and testifying Hadn't really read much about him only headlines before but just done a bit more reading here: https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/money-and-power/a28352055/jeffrey-epstein-criminal-case-facts/ quote:Epstein himself apparently had several scientific theories, including eugenics. The New York Times has uncovered that one ambition he discussed was to impregnate multiple women, thereby spreading his DNA. One account claimed his plan was for 20 women to bear his children, and that his ranch in New Mexico would be a base for this operation. This may have been part of his interest in transhumanism, the study of how to improve the human population through technologies like genetic engineering and artificial intelligence. Don't know how reliable this source is though.
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Not sure I would call eugenics a "scientific theory"
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Klepsie posted:I am getting a referral to the urgent mental health team. This doesn't mean I'm about to be sectioned, right? Right? Nah, I got referred to same last year and it was basically just "You gonna kill yourself? No? Okay let us know if that changes." Not like they have the funding to section anyone but the most imminently dangerous cases anyway lol Also huge lol that the guy who 'attempted suicide' wasn't on 24-7 suicide watch like the kind where someone's sitting in with you the entire time. Maybe someone done 'im, maybe someone just made sure he wasn't being watched and had access to a gun/knife/rope/whatever, but either way lmao lmao
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Julio Cruz posted:being that Epstein was (allegedly) a purveyor of underage girls to the world's elite there are quite literally hundreds of people who would rather see him dead than alive and testifying You don't need to say allegedly, he was convicted for it already. Also you can't libel the dead.
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OwlFancier posted:Not sure I would call eugenics a "scientific theory" They presumably mean the lay definition of the word theory, i.e. 'some bullshit I made up'.
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thespaceinvader posted:I honestly think Prince Andrew is pretty far down the list of people likely to have had Jeffrey Epstein killed, considering that one of them is President of the USA and he was in US federal custody.
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OwlFancier posted:Not sure I would call eugenics a "scientific theory"
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Aug 10, 2019 17:21
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Guavanaut posted:I'm not sure "I should have a personal harem and child sex ring" is eugenics or transhumanism, but there we go. "My genes are SO superior that by definition if I breed, my children will be immortal cybernetic ubermenschen!"
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as someone in cspam posted its odd for a man who was genuinely obsessed with immortality and cryonics and eugenics to kill themselves
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Trin Tragula posted:Re: Islington North - if Jeremy wasn't the MP, it would absolutely be part of an ideal place to build a Green base in London. In the alternate universe where Michael O'Halloran quietly hands over to some other non-entity who then hands over to a Blairite like Emily Thornberry (as was) or Barbara Roche, the constituency surely follows exactly the same path as Islington South, and Hornsey & Wood Green, in swinging wildly from being a nondescript safe red seat to a bitterly-fought-over red-yellow marginal in the wake of the Iraq war, and then flips back red as the Liberal vote disappears after 2010. It's only stayed safe through the Blair years because of Jeremy's own personal vote. 1. do London constituencies actually exhibit strong party loyalties...? Islington did break LD for the Euros, which doesn't mean much in itself but does indicate that the tribal effect might not hold much water 2. The scenario becomes more problematic if the Tories can hold together enough to push through the boundary review -  Holborn and St. Pancras incumbent: Starmer Hackney North and Stoke Newington: Abbott Islington South: Thornberry probably the closest is Finsbury Park and Stoke Newington, since Abbott would probably get the new Hackney - but that puts the incumbent benefit under some question, and puts Stamford Hill in that seat best bet in the circumstances would be to paradrop Corbyn into a safe seat elsewhere entirely
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ThomasPaine posted:By claiming the heritage of a philosophical tradition their actual ideas directly contradict, all of these issues are amplified. I've seen plenty of self-declared Marxists argue make frankly bizarre arguments that are barely even recognisably Marxist - TERFy second wave feminists are particularly bad for this in my experience. It just gets very messy and hostile, and lowers the quality of the discourse for everyone. my own pet standard of Marxism is "you have to assert the TRPF to be true as an empirical claim" everything else is just bargaining 
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Jose posted:as someone in cspam posted its odd for a man who was genuinely obsessed with immortality and cryonics and eugenics to kill themselves 
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Hitler was probably on more drugs than epstein.
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Black metal cat says Hail Satan  More pix of this devil worshipping cat here: https://www.purrworld.com/this-cat-keeps-putting-its-paws-in-the-air-and-nobody-knows-why/
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I wonder if there are child protection services in hell too
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ThomasPaine posted:He's not great at communicating this point, which is bad in an elected official I agree, and that's an issue, but it's unpleasant to watch a lot of very well intentioned left-wing people attack him based on an implicit premise that ultimately undermines their own political goals. Given the context where he's embroiled (unfairly or not) in accusations of not taking antisemitism seriously and Labour "giving too much ground" on the issue, it's a bad look to rock up and start going "hey what about that idpol we need to start talking about class instead" If he's not good at communicating the point he wants to make, he should probably not do it - especially not in soundbite form on twitter, it's not helping him or anyone else right now, y'know? Doesn't mean it's not an argument people should be making, but it's not surprising that his attempts aren't going down well
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Diet Crack posted:I wonder if there are child protection services in hell too
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Rincewinds posted:Wish the fucker had at least flipped first. This was to stop that happening.
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Ms Adequate posted:Also huge lol that the guy who 'attempted suicide' wasn't on 24-7 suicide watch like the kind where someone's sitting in with you the entire time. Maybe someone done 'im, maybe someone just made sure he wasn't being watched and had access to a gun/knife/rope/whatever, but either way lmao lmao Actually he was  They apparently just ahh, happened to look away or something. And the cameras were turned off (again, odd how that happens so often when Epstein tries to suicide).
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 It was a hit by Trump to exonerate himself from ever having to defend against any claims, probably ditto for NonceyAndy too. Joke aside this actually wouldn’t surprise me at all.
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Private Speech posted:Actually he was Well the camera thing is possibly bullshit, or at least currently unsubstantiated by anyone other than Twitter fash
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Ms Adequate posted:Nah, I got referred to same last year and it was basically just "You gonna kill yourself? No? Okay let us know if that changes." Not like they have the funding to section anyone but the most imminently dangerous cases anyway lol Most people in prison (in the UK at least) who are on 'suicide watch' aren't literally watched 24/7. It's pretty rare and depends on intent, history, risk factors available means etc. It's really a huge intrusion on privacy and horrible for someone really struggling with their mental health so only reserved for most high risk cases. Most people who actually die by suicide in prison aren't actively on suicide watch procedures at the time. Of course gently caress knows what goes on in US jails with high profile sex pests who could bring a lot of powerful people down with them.
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My wife's sister and her fella have just moved into a £1.2m house in West Suffolk and we just had a video call with them. She was telling us about how every house around has a "Say no to the solar farm!" sign on it. Wife's sis and man do not seem particularly Tory to me - the fella owns a business but they made most of their money from making an indie Facebook game popular with middle-aged American women, so little exploitation of workers going on, but they have moved to like, central Toryville. Their constituency has App Mancock as their MP and Tories got 61% of the vote in 2017. Like I have fantasies of winning the lottery and moving out to some house in the country somewhere (wouldn't need to be massive, and gently caress living next to other people if I can avoid it) but I loving hate the idea of living near a load of (Canadian) Tory cunts.
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Robot Mil posted:Most people in prison (in the UK at least) who are on 'suicide watch' aren't literally watched 24/7. It's pretty rare and depends on intent, history, risk factors available means etc. It's really a huge intrusion on privacy and horrible for someone really struggling with their mental health so only reserved for most high risk cases. Most people who actually die by suicide in prison aren't actively on suicide watch procedures at the time. If you're an NYC billionaire in Federal lockup in NYC, and the main player in the most scrutinized federal investigation of the moment which implicates dozens of celebrities, oligarchs and heads of states, AND you've been found in the fetal position with strangulation marks on your neck within the past week, it would be reasonable to expect 24/7 surveillance
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ThomasPaine posted:Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. My issue is with this trend I'm noticing where people seem to lump class in with other identity-based groups as if they are equivalents, then argue that calls to return to class analysis implicitly represent the abandonment of LGBT+, ethnic minorities etc because class is now no more or less important or relevant than any other category, and more to the point is seperate from them. I completely agree with you on that front, as I said in a previous point class and gender/race/etc. are interlinked. However when you've just specifically said "we need less identity politics" you're framing a call for class analysis in a context where it is distinct from everything else and where all those other things are irrelevant. If you do that then any attempt to raise the working class will reinforce the current discriminatory factors intrinsic to society and you're essentially taking the first step on the Living Marxism journey to the far-right. That's how Chris Williamson's original tweet was framed, especially with the use of an alt-right dogwhistle. The further clarification indicates that's not what he was trying to say which is good but dear god that man needs an internal editor before he speaks.
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WhatEvil posted:Their constituency has App Mancock as their MP and Tories got 61% of the vote in 2017. I didn't know that they renamed Grindr.
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ThomasPaine posted:A lot of people for example would read CW's 'we need to return to class analysis and away from idpol' as almost proto-fascist 'gently caress the minorities', but if you're more charitable it could easily mean 'we need to privilege class analysis as a methodology, rather than acquiesce to a fundamentally superficial, liberal understanding of oppression that will only lead to rainbow capitalism'. He's not great at communicating this point, which is bad in an elected official I agree, and that's an issue, but it's unpleasant to watch a lot of very well intentioned left-wing people attack him based on an implicit premise that ultimately undermines their own political goals. In addition to what everyone else said, it's worth bearing in mind that for the terminally-online leftist (myself included here), especially twitter ones, "we need to stop focusing so much on identity and more on class" is very often a dogwhistle for class-reductionists, Nagle-lovers, stupidpol enthusiasts, et al. Williamson's follow-up makes it clear that it wasn't what he meant, so it's just a case of bad communication. e:fb CGI Stardust fucked around with this message at 18:45 on Aug 10, 2019 |
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Failed Imagineer posted:Well the camera thing is possibly bullshit, or at least currently unsubstantiated by anyone other than Twitter fash Ahh, fair enough, I should read more the thread more.
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CGI Stardust posted:In addition to what everyone else said, it's worth bearing in mind that for the terminally-online leftist (myself included here), especially twitter ones, "we need to stop focusing so much on identity and more on class" is very often a dogwhistle for class-reductionists, Nagle-lovers, stupidpol enthusiasts, et al. Williamson's follow-up makes it clear that it wasn't what he meant, so it's just a case of bad communication. Assuming you can trust him to be honest. Wouldn't surprise me if he was turning the racism dial and looking back at the audience.
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Rarity posted:I completely agree with you on that front, as I said in a previous point class and gender/race/etc. are interlinked. However when you've just specifically said "we need less identity politics" you're framing a call for class analysis in a context where it is distinct from everything else and where all those other things are irrelevant. If you do that then any attempt to raise the working class will reinforce the current discriminatory factors intrinsic to society and you're essentially taking the first step on the Living Marxism journey to the far-right. That's how Chris Williamson's original tweet was framed, especially with the use of an alt-right dogwhistle. The further clarification indicates that's not what he was trying to say which is good but dear god that man needs an internal editor before he speaks. Yeah I can agree with this CGI Stardust posted:In addition to what everyone else said, it's worth bearing in mind that for the terminally-online leftist (myself included here), especially twitter ones, "we need to stop focusing so much on identity and more on class" is very often a dogwhistle for class-reductionists, Nagle-lovers, stupidpol enthusiasts, et al. Williamson's follow-up makes it clear that it wasn't what he meant, so it's just a case of bad communication. Again, yeah. Though fwiw I think Nagle in particular gets a bad rap and isn't half so bad as people make her out to be.
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Ms Adequate posted:Nah Lindsay Nagle has never been a good character tbh I see what you did there
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baka kaba posted:https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1160198083852087299 How many wheelbarrows of them will buy a pint of milk? Need to know for my son, to see if he can goto the shops then for us.
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WhatEvil posted:My wife's sister and her fella have just moved into a £1.2m house in West Suffolk and we just had a video call with them. She was telling us about how every house around has a "Say no to the solar farm!" sign on it. The English countryside is overwhelmingly populated by better-off pensioners who've retired to small villages to count their money, get away from 'ethnic' types and vehemently oppose any new developments that might impact on the character of their location (reduce their house prices). Opposing a solar farm just 'cos is entirely typical of their mindset.
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