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Jean's telekinetic powers are only at what I'd call an omega level when she's possessed by The Phoenix, and even then Rachel's Phoenix backed telekinesis was way more impressive.
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Xavier's never been the best telepath, just the oldest and most experienced. Jean and Emma have been regularly out-doing him for a long time. That stunt Emma pulls in New X-Men where she makes a whole crowd of people lose themselves in pleasure is just a party trick to her, but it's past the upper limit of what Charles can do based on the (many) canonical times he's gotten fatigued from trying to control more than a few people at once.
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Aug 9, 2019 23:45
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Also Emma with the Cuckoos should technically count as one person since they have the same DNA. And what human technology can make you punch from your eyes better than Cyclops? Come on Hickman.
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Aug 9, 2019 23:52
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I'm sure Mr Fantastic can make a portal that opens up to the punch dimension that doesn't get a headache after a while.
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Aug 9, 2019 23:58
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IUG posted:I'm sure Mr Fantastic can make a portal that opens up to the punch dimension that doesn't get a headache after a while. The Maker did that once. Harold Fjord fucked around with this message at 00:23 on Aug 10, 2019 |
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Aug 10, 2019 00:16
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Skwirl posted:Jean's telekinetic powers are only at what I'd call an omega level when she's possessed by The Phoenix, and even then Rachel's Phoenix backed telekinesis was way more impressive. I know this is being retconned all the time but I will never let it go so here is me not letting it go  : being the Phoenix was, originally and for a huge swath of canon, the manifestation of Jean’s true power and potential. In fact, the original comic that first revealed Jean (and Bobby) to be omega-class mutants specifically cites the Phoenix as part of her omega-ness.Even if we’re going with the current retcon of the Phoenix being just some outside thing possessing her, Jean all on her own was able to hold back Cyclops’ eyepunch as lately as the final issue of Uncanny. I mean, it’s Rosenberg so unfortunately very ignorable on that basis alone  , but the point being she’s always been known for her OP TK — pretty much more so than any other character — so it was weird for Hickman to lean more on the side of her telepathy being stronger. Heck, it was a little weird that Hickman felt the need to put one above the other at all.I do agree that I miss seeing Rachel be powerful. It just feels like she hasn’t had anything to do lately but to get jobbed.
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Aug 10, 2019 00:58
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I didn't read it because it was Uncanny, but was it explicitly telekinetic? Because Cyclops' control issue is mental, it can be stopped telepathically too.
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Aug 10, 2019 01:02
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Aside from the last issue of Rosenberg's Uncanny are there examples of no Phoenix Jean doing really amazing TK tricks
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Aug 10, 2019 01:12
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BrianWilly posted:I know this is being retconned all the time but I will never let it go so here is me not letting it go Rachel feels like a character nobody really seems to have known what to do with since like... the 90s. Excalibur was the last time I can think of her being remotely handled well and half the time it feels like people forget she exists even when it should be really goddamn relevant (like say, the Phoenix.)
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Aug 10, 2019 01:13
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Skwirl posted:Aside from the last issue of Rosenberg's Uncanny are there examples of no Phoenix Jean doing really amazing TK tricks Yeah but again, the now-canon definition isn't "really powerful" it is that they don't have an upper limit.
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Skwirl posted:Jean's telekinetic powers are only at what I'd call an omega level when she's possessed by The Phoenix, and even then Rachel's Phoenix backed telekinesis was way more impressive. Speaking of Rachel, it always confused me with artists taking liberties with how her powers are portrayed. Her last appearance I think is in the Kid Cable X-Force run, and she's got fire from the eyes and a very Phoenix-esque visual. And then in X-Men Gold she's got the regular pink/purple TK thing going on. At least, I'm guessing it's just inconsistency and not a weird Phoenix echo something or other going on. I can't keep track anymore.
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Aug 10, 2019 01:25
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Are eXternals still a thing from what I remember from the 90's, or has that been retconned away?
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a retcon would have to acknowledge the external poo poo. pretending it never happened is better for everyone.
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Regarding the Moira-multiverse theory, what exactly were Mystique & co stealing from Damage Control? The only two items being stored there that aren't weapons/suits are The Bridge and Multiversal Beacon. Given that the stolen drive has been highlighted in two issues, whatever data that it contains bears significance. Seems to me that Xavier is up to some multiversal hijinks, especially if this is is the Moira-X timeline.
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Aug 10, 2019 02:34
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CubanMissile posted:Are eXternals still a thing from what I remember from the 90's, or has that been retconned away? Xternals mostly were killed off in a recent Cable run, though at least one has already been brought back since then(to good effect) in Mr & Mrs X.
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Aug 10, 2019 02:37
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hexate posted:Regarding the Moira-multiverse theory, what exactly were Mystique & co stealing from Damage Control? The only two items being stored there that aren't weapons/suits are The Bridge and Multiversal Beacon. Given that the stolen drive has been highlighted in two issues, whatever data that it contains bears significance. Seems to me that Xavier is up to some multiversal hijinks, especially if this is is the Moira-X timeline. I was assuming it was just info on Sol's Hammer which was highlighted in red and is being retrofited by Orchis to be the Mothermold - which of course would imply that Xavier is getting ahead of the curve slightly with some hints
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Aug 10, 2019 02:56
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Multiversal hijinks *could* make sense as how Moira X might be planning to "break the rules" - like, if she plans to directly interact with her own past incarnations, that would be some high dimensional chess indeed...
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Aug 10, 2019 03:05
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danbanana posted:I told you, I'm new here and just following protocol I saw. Not nearly glam enough to be Sinister
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Aug 10, 2019 03:44
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DivineCoffeeBinge posted:Not nearly glam enough to be Sinister Ummmmmmmmm https://images.app.goo.gl/1K1z7kmgCf3psd7S6
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Aug 10, 2019 03:50
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Charles & Moira's plan is to make mutants indispensable to humans through the drugs Chuck is making Krakoa make. Making mutants necessary to mankind is the only gambit (heh) Moira hasn't tried.
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Aug 10, 2019 04:18
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Krakoa is regrowing dead mutants using the genealogical data it's gathered by absorbing their life force and Chuck is implanting psyches he's recorded thus granting mutants a kind of immortality
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Aug 10, 2019 04:21
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Not yet sure how that relates to the future shown in Powers
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Aug 10, 2019 04:23
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I should add: Krakoa only makes these drugs because Chuck is mind-controlling it to do so. Same with the reborn X-Men.
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Aug 10, 2019 04:27
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Also....(too many goddamnd posts in a row IM SORRY my thoughts tend to spin out) Charles can only mind-control Krakoa to do these things with a constant connection to Cerebro thus the helmet
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Aug 10, 2019 04:50
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Please use the edit button in the future. drat.
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Ok one more post (god I know its annoying):so how does the future(s) in Powers come to pass? Does the Sinister revolt happen in the Moira X timeline? Do Charles & Moira successfully dodge a lovely fate for mutant kind? What next E: sorry. Bad texting habits.
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Is this the same Krakoa from Wolverine and the X-men? It's creepy how they speak of it with such reverence now.
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CubanMissile posted:Is this the same Krakoa from Wolverine and the X-men? It's creepy how they speak of it with such reverence now. The Krakoa in Wolverine and the X-Men was a child of the Krakoa from Giant Size X-Men number 1. But I think when they were explaining what was up with the Krakoa in W&XM it was said there's several Krakoas.
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I'm by and large enjoying this new run, but I have to say, I'm a bit concerned. My biggest problem with X-Men stories is how often the non-mutant characters get framed as in the wrong for being concerned about something the X-Men have put their support behind, and the deal with them and the FF has me nervous. Sue has a mutant son and I don't think framing her as not getting what mutants have to deal with is really true to the character, and given the character they argue with Scott about is an infamous monster like Sabertooth, it just has me a bit wary that Hickman is gonna slip into that same trap. I dunno. What do you guys think? Maybe I'm not looking at it right.
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Nodosaur posted:I'm by and large enjoying this new run, but I have to say, I'm a bit concerned. My biggest problem with X-Men stories is how often the non-mutant characters get framed as in the wrong for being concerned about something the X-Men have put their support behind, and the deal with them and the FF has me nervous. Sue has a mutant son and I don't think framing her as not getting what mutants have to deal with is really true to the character, and given the character they argue with Scott about is an infamous monster like Sabertooth, it just has me a bit wary that Hickman is gonna slip into that same trap. I'm looking at it the opposite way. I think they've very much established that the Krakoa thing is to be looked at skeptically. They're framing the story as questioning the mutants' actions, to the point where humans creating super-weapons in retaliation almost comes off as justified. I definitely read that FF scene as the humans being framed in the moral right, not the other way around.
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Skwirl posted:Aside from the last issue of Rosenberg's Uncanny are there examples of no Phoenix Jean doing really amazing TK tricks
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I don't want to poo poo up this thread, so just PM me, don't reply. The answer was Cypher. IUG fucked around with this message at 20:11 on Aug 10, 2019 |
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I'm pretty confident from the extremely limited information given about the new books to kick off after this wraps up that Krakoa will be sticking around after Hox/Pox
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kustomkarkommando posted:I'm pretty confident from the extremely limited information given about the new books to kick off after this wraps up that Krakoa will be sticking around after Hox/Pox Yeah, Hickman's been pretty clear that this is a rise, not a fall
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from glancing over future solicitation it seems like it's being framed as both
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Skwirl posted:Aside from the last issue of Rosenberg's Uncanny are there examples of no Phoenix Jean doing really amazing TK tricks She punched Sabertooth from northern France into the Pyrenees one time, which meant she threw him most of the way to Spain.
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IUG posted:The answer was Cypher. If he didn't have Warlock bits on him I would never remember who he was. Just last night I was reading the X-Men annual from 1985 and at one point he fuses with Warlock to help Warlock heal. My problem with the New Mutants was always their identical uniforms. Superhero costumes are awesome and it cuts so much personality out of any character to have them dress the same as everyone else.
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Aug 10, 2019 20:23
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Cyphers power is not lame. Remember that time when he came back as a zombie and defeated all the new mutants by translating the language of punching.
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Wanderer posted:She punched Sabertooth from northern France into the Pyrenees one time, which meant she threw him most of the way to Spain. Sabertooth getting punched very very far is a great reoccurring gag
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There is one thing I keep wondering. In the big graphic display showing the timelines of all of Moira's lives, all the lines veer around a circle when her mutant power manifests at 13. Some of the lines veer up and the others down - is that meant to represent something or is it just a bit of graphic flare to outline a full circle?
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