UKMT August 2019 - we (UK) should simply invade Ireland peacefully

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Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

https://twitter.com/DavidLammy/status/1160185419050434563?s=19

# ? Aug 11, 2019 09:49

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Biggus Dickus: May 18, 2005; Roadies know where to focus the spotlight.

Pilchenstein posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrQuR1LHAVI

I legit want a live version of the C64 Commando hiscore music played at my funeral.

# ? Aug 11, 2019 09:54

AceOfFlames: Oct 9, 2012

Ms Adequate posted:

The poo poo Rob Hubbard did back in the day is loving insane, how did he get these noises out of these machines?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EcgruWlXnQ

For a minute I thought you were referring to the musical stylings of (L.) Ron Hubbard:

https://youtu.be/ZpTUhN__FRk

# ? Aug 11, 2019 09:54

Miftan: Mar 31, 2012; Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Julio Cruz posted:

not to have a massive go at you but everyone I've met who's ever said that is basing it on an infinitesimally small sample

I'm pretty sure it's basically impossible for anyone who likes some form of music to find the entire output of 500+ years boring

I mean yeah, you listen to 'the canon', find it boring and don't dig much deeper. I feel like that's standard for getting into basically anything unless you have personal recommendations.

Coohoolin posted:

If you are interested, I have a small selection of pieces saved that I've found resonate very well with people who don't think they "get" classical music. I'd be happy to fire off a PM if you're curious.

That sounds cool, but I don't have pms. Can you message me on discord?

# ? Aug 11, 2019 09:54

Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

I caused a very nice meltdown in the cspam UK thread lol

https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3817569&pagenumber=1225&perpage=40#post497418009

# ? Aug 11, 2019 10:00

CGI Stardust: Nov 7, 2010; Brexit is but a door,
election time is but a window.

I'll be back

ed: ^^^^ daddy's commies

Jose posted:

https://twitter.com/DavidLammy/status/1160185419050434563?s=19

The Epstein story really is the memetic equivalent of a lethal pressure point strike

Omae wa mou shindeiru
me: Nani??

*crack* *ping*

my neurons fire off simultaneously, I experience the fundamental interconnectedness of all things, and then my brain turns to soup

Mugsbaloney posted:

Fun fact : Grieg was a midget Scotsman

it seems cruel that he's best known for In The Hall Of The Mountain King

# ? Aug 11, 2019 10:01

bessantj: Jul 27, 2004

Another wonderful day for the British military

MoD drone crashed into tree

quote:

A �6m military drone crashed after it landed beyond its planned touchdown point and hit a tree, a Ministry of Defence (MoD) report has revealed.

The Watchkeeper WK050 came down on 13 June, 2018, less than a mile from Penparc school, Aberporth, where pupils were taking part in a sports day.

Five drones - almost 10% of a 54-strong fleet bought from French firm Thales - have been wrecked in mid Wales crashes.

The MoD said action had been taken to address problems.

Its report, revealed following a Freedom of Information request, said the drone "landed long" of its touchdown point, before veering to the right.

The system computer failed to register it had landed so "auto-aborted as it approached the end of the runway".

Its engine then powered up and the drone "climbed away".

When it was 40ft (12m) above the ground, the pilot cut the engine.

The report concluded "the pressing of the engine cut was the cause of the accident".

After that it "glided over the road and crashed into a tree, approximately 900m beyond" the landing point.

"Had no action been taken by the crew the AV (aerial vehicle) would have completed its automatic go-around, from which it could have been commanded to conduct a further approach," the report said.

The drone was being tested at West Wales Airport at Aberporth, Ceredigion.

An MoD spokesman said action had been taken to address identified problems and it was "considering all of the recommendations".

A Thales spokesman said it had "already addressed the vast majority of the recommendations".

"Unmanned aircraft systems like Watchkeeper are designed to keep our service people out of hostile environments," he said.

"Our ability to rigorously test their capabilities and meet the highest standards of testing and certification demanded of the UK's military aviation authorities means that we are ultimately able to deliver a safe system when deployed in operational situations."

Obviously it was actually an alien craft. They can't fool us.

# ? Aug 11, 2019 10:05

Reveilled: Apr 19, 2007; Take up your rifles

Julio Cruz posted:

not to have a massive go at you but everyone I've met who's ever said that is basing it on an infinitesimally small sample

I'm pretty sure it's basically impossible for anyone who likes some form of music to find the entire output of 500+ years boring

The vast majority of instrumental music, classical or modern, doesn't do much for me as anything other than background music. I can appreciate the quality, and I can enjoy it if I'm doing something else at the same time, but I can't just sit down and listen to it in a concert hall without getting bored. For some reason as soon as there's a voice involved I'm interested again, so from that 500 years, folk songs, choral music and opera are enjoyable for me in a way that an entirely instrumental symphony just...isn't.

All my favourite pieces of music, I can pinpoint a specific thing about the lyrics, whether that's a particular theme they talk about, a single line or couplet with an interesting turn of phrase, an intense emotion the song evokes, or just the mystery of what the words actually mean. There's also something I just find fun about learning the words to a song, even in a language I don't speak. In that sense, an instrumental piece doesn't give me much to grasp onto; I can't learn the song if there's no song.

# ? Aug 11, 2019 10:06

Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

lol this is wild

https://twitter.com/neal_katyal/status/1160316901882384384

# ? Aug 11, 2019 10:22

namesake: Jun 19, 2006; "When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

FOR THOSE INTERESTED IN THE UKMT PODCAST:

There are going to be more test calls today at 3pm and 8pm if there's any interest so log onto the discord and say hello if you can. There are a few ideas and proposals already around from the first call but nothing is firmly decided yet so feel free to bring your own thoughts.

# ? Aug 11, 2019 10:36

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

CGI Stardust posted:

it seems cruel that he's best known for In The Hall Of The Mountain King

I like Grieg's Ost Og Løk Kaker.

# ? Aug 11, 2019 10:39

OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

East of lake poo poo?

# ? Aug 11, 2019 10:53

Juche Couture: Feb 3, 2007

Guavanaut posted:

Wagner was good. Verging on camp, but if you can embrace camp without feeling the need to build any then that's not a bad thing.

Very much appreciated this joke

# ? Aug 11, 2019 10:55

Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

https://twitter.com/mfa_russia/status/1159807581763854341

# ? Aug 11, 2019 10:56

OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

I would say that's insulting to #journalists but it isn't, really.

# ? Aug 11, 2019 11:11

Ratjaculation: Aug 3, 2007

I'm Britain's apparent immutable human rights standards.

# ? Aug 11, 2019 11:33

Samovar: Jun 4, 2011; I'm 😤 not a 🦸🏻‍♂️hero...🧜🏻

namesake posted:

FOR THOSE INTERESTED IN THE UKMT PODCAST:

There are going to be more test calls today at 3pm and 8pm if there's any interest so log onto the discord and say hello if you can. There are a few ideas and proposals already around from the first call but nothing is firmly decided yet so feel free to bring your own thoughts.

For those of us unable to make it, will we be informed if anything concrete results?

# ? Aug 11, 2019 11:52

Tsietisin: Jul 2, 2004; Time passes quickly on the weekend.

I would join you but the wife's father has had a heart attack so we are with him at hospital. Hopefully be there for the next one.

# ? Aug 11, 2019 11:53

Jaeluni Asjil: Apr 18, 2018; Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

OwlFancier posted:

East of lake poo poo?

Cheese and onion cakes

ed: my favourite cheese is gjetost - caramelized goat cheese, lovely with a good, seeded / multigrain bread.

Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 12:13 on Aug 11, 2019

# ? Aug 11, 2019 12:10

moostaffa: Apr 2, 2008; People always ask me about Toad, It's fantastic. Let me tell you about Toad. I do very well with Toad. I love Toad. No one loves Toad more than me, BELIEVE ME. Toad loves me. I have the best Toad.

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

ed: my favourite cheese is gjetost - caramelized goat cheese, lovely with a good, seeded / multigrain bread.

# ? Aug 11, 2019 12:14

Crab Battle: Jan 16, 2010; Haha! Yeah!

Tsietisin posted:

I would join you but the wife's father has had a heart attack so we are with him at hospital. Hopefully be there for the next one.

Sorry to hear that, I hope he makes it through.

# ? Aug 11, 2019 12:27

crispix: Mar 28, 2015; Grand-Maman m'a raconté
_{(Les éditions des amitiés franco-québécoises)}

Hello, dear

Civil activist is an inappropriate term for Nazi imo.

# ? Aug 11, 2019 12:29

Catzilla: May 12, 2003; "Untie the queen"

Miftan posted:

I mean yeah, you listen to 'the canon', find it boring and don't dig much deeper. I feel like that's standard for getting into basically anything unless you have personal recommendations.

If you have the BBC sounds app, search for a show called �How to listen� which eases novices into classical music, explains the themes and what�s going on. Maybe a good entry point.

# ? Aug 11, 2019 12:41

Miftan: Mar 31, 2012; Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Catzilla posted:

If you have the BBC sounds app, search for a show called ‘How to listen’ which eases novices into classical music, explains the themes and what’s going on. Maybe a good entry point.

I appreciate the advice but it's not something I'm actively looking to get into.

# ? Aug 11, 2019 12:47

Jaeluni Asjil: Apr 18, 2018; Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

Classical music chat:

You're reminding me of a boyfriend I once had. He was always trying to impress me (god knows why because he was entirely gorgeous and I just liked looking at him but I digress). He was plucking out a tune on his guitar which he said he was composing for me. Then he said "Of course, I was classically trained."

Now, I'm from one of those 'impoverished intellectual' backgrounds where we were all forced to do violin and piano lessons as kids. (I enjoyed piano and loathed violin). So instead of being suitably impressed, my youthful, ignorant, response was "isn't everyone?" (At that time in my young, innocent life I had never come across people who hadn't been forced through this process). Oh dear.

Tsietisin posted:

I would join you but the wife's father has had a heart attack so we are with him at hospital. Hopefully be there for the next one.

Sorry to hear this, I hope he will be ok.

# ? Aug 11, 2019 12:47

Tsietisin: Jul 2, 2004; Time passes quickly on the weekend.

GordonTheDeadFish posted:

Sorry to hear that, I hope he makes it through.

He's going to be fine. Artery blockage which has been sorted out with a Stent.

He says he feels better now than he has in a long time.

# ? Aug 11, 2019 12:48

Coohoolin: Aug 5, 2012; Oor Coohoolie.

Miftan posted:

That sounds cool, but I don't have pms. Can you message me on discord?

Will do.

# ? Aug 11, 2019 13:09

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

Classical music chat:

Here's something that touches on about half a dozen different chats that have been lively in previous threads, as well as classical music and camp:

quote:

Here I offer a personal view on the distinction between camp, kitsch and trash. Now, I'm no student of kitsch, which lately has become an area of some academic interest, and doubtless many of the great minds in humanities departments have investigated the matter in much greater depth and length than I. So I ask the reader to forgive me for the lack of citations in this article, and my general ignorance of the current state of research, as I tread into this rarefied intellectual ground. It is not my intention to barge into the realm of kitsch theorists, or to cut across the various schools of camp theory, or to offer anything which rivals the latest sound and complete theory of trash. This is merely the offering of a humble layman.

Kitsch, the German word for 'trash', was originally applied in the late 19th century to the then-new commercial art for a mass audience, as opposed to 'high art' and 'folk art'. Since then, many of us have reluctantly had to admit that not all mass commercial art is necessarily trash. And besides, the meaning of kitsch has moved on; it now clearly refers to a particular kind of worthless art, and not worthless art in general. So we need a finer-grained definition. I borrow and simplify mine from someone called Dahlhaus. Kitsch, by this definition, is art which aims to evoke some particular emotion, or communicate some message, but doesn't have the resources to do it. It aims high, but its means are too crude and transparent and vulgar. Perhaps the most obvious examples of kitsch are the movies of Ed Wood, which aimed to be thoughtful sci-fi pieces, but were made carelessly on the cheap by a man with no talent. Other examples of kitsch include Forrest Gump, The Matrix, Britpop, certain performances of Liszt, and numerous bad film scores (recent shocking examples include A History of Violence, Crash and Capote). Needless to say, kitsch is always bad.

Camp -- deliberate bad taste -- is in fact the opposite of kitsch. Camp uses more resources than its aims require. Camp puts a certain amount of ingenuity, subtlety and creative talent into a work which is obviously silly, stupid, or tasteless. Camp can be sublime; sometimes artistic truth is found in expressing more than what is needed or strictly tasteful. Even bad camp is usually better than kitsch. Many objects of fandom are camp. Examples of camp include Handel, Vivaldi, Queen, disco, Raiders of the Lost Ark and 2001: A Space Odyssey. Opera, a ridiculously contrived medium, is more or less camp by default. The same goes for any good stage drama.

Trash aims low and is low. Thus, bad camp can also be trash. Sometimes trash is worse than kitsch, sometimes better. Examples of trash include Russ Meyer movies, Troma movies, death metal, most porn, most pop music, reality TV, in fact most television, most advertising, in fact most of the art people get exposed to in their lives.

To clarify the distinction, here is a quick reference guide.

# ? Aug 11, 2019 13:14

jaete: Jun 21, 2009; Nap Ghost

Pochoclo posted:

Please, the true pinnacle of human music is 4 track Amiga 500 demoscene

Oh poo poo, a correct opinion on music, this is unexpected. Though I'd argue the C64 scene is at least as good

Video is related

# ? Aug 11, 2019 13:20

OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

Guavanaut posted:

Here's something that touches on about half a dozen different chats that have been lively in previous threads, as well as classical music and camp:

What do you take for pretension poisioning? Temporal beta blockers?

# ? Aug 11, 2019 13:22

Strom Cuzewon: Jul 1, 2010

Guavanaut posted:

Here's something that touches on about half a dozen different chats that have been lively in previous threads, as well as classical music and camp:

This seems a lot of words for "things I like are good, things I don't like are bad"

# ? Aug 11, 2019 13:24

Party Boat: Nov 1, 2007; where did that other dog come from

who is he

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

Cheese and onion cakes

ed: my favourite cheese is gjetost - caramelized goat cheese, lovely with a good, seeded / multigrain bread.

Gjetost is so fatty that when a lorry carrying a shipment of it crashed in a tunnel the fire burned for five days. Still love the stuff, that and farepolse.

# ? Aug 11, 2019 13:25

Coohoolin: Aug 5, 2012; Oor Coohoolie.

There seems to be an epidemic in Aberdeen of kids driving around in cars at 1am throwing eggs at folk standing outside pubs and bars. Stay safe pub smoking goons

# ? Aug 11, 2019 13:29

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

Strom Cuzewon posted:

This seems a lot of words for "things I like are good, things I don't like are bad"

I think it's more than that. It's not ranking them good to bad, but on whether they aim to be highbrow or lowbrow and whether they deliver on that.

Something that aims low and delivers low (trash) can be enjoyable as hell, something that aims low and delivers high (camp) can be fun too, but they are qualitatively different things.

Like with Alien vs. Aliens or The Terminator vs. T2 in previous threads, people always argue over ranking them because they're completely different genres with the same title and lead stamped on them.

# ? Aug 11, 2019 13:36

Comrade Fakename: Feb 13, 2012

Paul.Power posted:

I'm not an expert, but you can pick up a few clues by looking at an oscilloscope version:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIA_0cvS2gQ
Only three channels, but the channels are quite flexible, you can do pretty much anything on them. Contrast that with, say, a NES which goes "you get two square pulses, a triangle wave (which is stuck at max volume), a noise channel and a channel for playing whatever samples you can squeeze into the cartridge. Unless you're Castlevania 3 using the VRC 6 soundchip, anyway, then you get two more square pulses and a sawtooth wave".

A neat trick is the way he varies the duty on the square waves, which is to say the amount of time on a square wave cycle where the wave is in the "up" position compared with the "down" position. Again on a NES (without some fancy voiving) you got three set duties for your square wave that you could choose between (effectively the difference between an "ahh" and an "ooh") but here there's a lot more flexibility and it goes a long way to giving the instruments their unique timbre.

Of course, it may be worth remembering that I think this is the only track in the game? So you can afford to give it a lot more storage space and polish time compared with if you're doing a whole soundtrack for something like, say, Mega Man 2. The NES's simplicity had its upsides there.

This reminds me that the other day I found out that for some bizarre reason there was actually a Japan-only port of Monty on the Run to the Famicom Disk System! Apparently it�s quite different:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kglNHHlG6c

# ? Aug 11, 2019 13:44

RabidWeasel: Aug 4, 2007; Cultures thrive on their myths and legends...and snuggles!

jaete posted:

Oh poo poo, a correct opinion on music, this is unexpected. Though I'd argue the C64 scene is at least as good

Video is related

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8onlB0F1_A

There's better demos out there now but the credit roll track is still probably one of my favourite pieces of music ever.

# ? Aug 11, 2019 13:47

A Buttery Pastry: Sep 4, 2011; Delicious and Informative!

Guavanaut posted:

I think it's more than that. It's not ranking them good to bad, but on whether they aim to be highbrow or lowbrow and whether they deliver on that.

His definitions revolve around three axes, aim, resources, talent, so there should be far more categories than just the three presented. Commando is clearly one with low aims and resources, but so much raw talent that it transcends these goals and means.

# ? Aug 11, 2019 13:48

forkboy84: Jun 13, 2012; Corgis love bread. And Puro

Coohoolin posted:

There seems to be an epidemic in Aberdeen of kids driving around in cars at 1am throwing eggs at folk standing outside pubs and bars. Stay safe pub smoking goons

Good for the weans on encouraging people to stop smoking.

# ? Aug 11, 2019 13:51

marktheando: Nov 4, 2006

Guavanaut posted:

Here's something that touches on about half a dozen different chats that have been lively in previous threads, as well as classical music and camp:

Wow gently caress the person who made this chart, how dare they talk poo poo about Commando.

# ? Aug 11, 2019 13:52

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Strom Cuzewon: Jul 1, 2010

Guavanaut posted:

I think it's more than that. It's not ranking them good to bad, but on whether they aim to be highbrow or lowbrow and whether they deliver on that.

Something that aims low and delivers low (trash) can be enjoyable as hell, something that aims low and delivers high (camp) can be fun too, but they are qualitatively different things.

Like with Alien vs. Aliens or The Terminator vs. T2 in previous threads, people always argue over ranking them because they're completely different genres with the same title and lead stamped on them.

I guess I don't fully understand anything that calls 2001 camp - it's incredibly po-faced and serious. I always interpret camp as having some aspect of being tongue-in-cheek or salacious, like True Blood. And I'd say your definition of trash (and whoever it is you quoted) is way more applicable to the Kitsch column (nearly all of which are enjoyable) than the trash column (which are just ghastly)

Also the list is written as a joke rather than to illustrate the point, as Empire Strikes back and the Schumacher batmans (batmen?) are much closer to opera than anything in the Camp column.

# ? Aug 11, 2019 13:56

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