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536 posted:i agree we shouldn't give much thought to lovely journalists that literally took plane tickets, hotel stays, and spending cash from a ruler and "reported" on them in country. gray zone is garbage. 536 posted:People have been starving and mass emigrating for years because of the USA?
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536 posted:i agree we shouldn't give much thought to lovely journalists that literally took plane tickets, hotel stays, and spending cash from a ruler and "reported" on them in country. gray zone is garbage. better that they're funded by the US government currently starving venezuela to report that the opposition are wildly popular and a coup isn't a bad thing
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Aug 12, 2019 21:57
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better that they're funded by the same business interests that want to privatize PDVSA
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Aug 12, 2019 21:59
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what is a legitimate source of news on venezuela, 536
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Aug 12, 2019 22:21
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you want certain journalists banned because you believe they have problematic conflicts of interest and reporting, but i havent heard you call on banning msnbc or npr yet for much graver issues in this regard
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Aug 12, 2019 22:22
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like should we believe the journalistic institutions who have historically crowed about bringing freedom and democracy to latin america as countries were couped into decades of brutal military dictatorship and death squads?
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Aug 12, 2019 22:24
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536 posted:i agree we shouldn't give much thought to lovely journalists that literally took plane tickets, hotel stays, and spending cash from a ruler and "reported" on them in country. gray zone is garbage. Yeah! If we allow people to report on things and get paid for it, that's a serious problem! Which doesn't effect capitalist media because reasons!
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Aug 12, 2019 23:23
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I only trust citizen journalists like fnox.
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Aug 12, 2019 23:30
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420 Gank Mid posted:Yeah! If we allow people to report on things and get paid for it, that's a serious problem! ah but u see, he was being paid by a corrupt dictator and not by an impartial western media outlet run by *checks notes* bias-free robots from outer space
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Aug 12, 2019 23:31
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How does Maduro paying for their trip change the fact that there are grocery stores full of food in rich neighborhoods?
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Aug 12, 2019 23:35
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Captain Billy Pissboy posted:How does Maduro paying for their trip change the fact that there are grocery stores full of food in rich neighborhoods? Obviously if Maduro paid for it he would only allow them to go to the rich neighborhoods full of people that hate him
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Aug 12, 2019 23:40
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:I only trust citizen journalists like
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Aug 12, 2019 23:40
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like do you think people who are against the coup are against it b/c they are uncritically buying whatever bit english journalists maduro is paying and telesur and so on and not the context of hundreds of years of american imperialism in latin america and its accompanying western media propaganda and loving JOHN BOLTON AND ELLIOT ABRAMS AND DONALD TRUMP? just trying to understand why you are so riled up about the grayzone or whatever and want them banned from the internet lmao as if that's the only thing that is buoying maduro's support
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Aug 12, 2019 23:45
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comedyblissoption posted:like do you think people who are against the coup are against it b/c they are uncritically buying whatever bit english journalists maduro is paying and telesur and so on and not the context of hundreds of years of american imperialism in latin america and its accompanying western media propaganda and loving JOHN BOLTON AND ELLIOT ABRAMS AND DONALD TRUMP? maduro gave them a cool sword and they took it and said "wow cool sword" instead of taking a principled stand and refusing the cool sword as impartial journalists
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Aug 13, 2019 00:28
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first rule of ethical journalism: never accept a sword from anyone under any circumstances
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3 posted:first rule of ethical journalism: never accept a sword from anyone under any circumstances No ethical journalist has ever been able to be Zelda 1
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3 posted:first rule of ethical journalism: never accept a sword from anyone under any circumstances https://twitter.com/sensanders/status/1148665031896260608
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from the other thread:536 posted:Remember when people in this thread said Blumenthal is a good independent journalist and not a paid shill of the government ? Ahahah (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Bedshaped posted:just wanted to use that smilie for the first time 
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i shouldnt be surprised a d&der doesn't understand whether or not venezuela news and journalists are paid propagandists is completely irrelevant
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man that guy loving hates swords
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comedyblissoption posted:i shouldnt be surprised a d&der doesn't understand whether or not venezuela news and journalists are paid propagandists is completely irrelevant Yeah, it always gets me when people are like "uh that's propaganda, ergo it should be 100% ignored." Like, you should apply skepticism to literally all media, since no such thing as un-biased media exists and all media is varying degrees of propaganda. I mentioned before that the last time I had a discussion about this with one of these people (Discendo Vox specifically) his criteria to distinguish something like RT as "propaganda" and US media as "not propaganda" is whether the media outlet is "intentionally misleading." Which is stupid both because 1. he can't read minds and doesn't know if any of these media organizations are purposefully lying and 2. it's irrelevant either way, since media where someone is intentionally lying is no less reliable than media where someone is saying false things because they've just been properly indoctrinated. As a result, there's never a reason you shouldn't just treat any media the same in terms of evaluating how reliable is claims are. And when it comes to US reporting on foreign policy issues, it is at least as unreliable as RT (or whatever). And undeniably even worse on the specific topic of foreign policy, since the attitude of "Russians with the intent to make the US look bad" is generally going to be closer to reality than whatever is coming out of US media.
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Jose posted:better that they're funded by the US government currently starving venezuela to report that the opposition are wildly popular and a coup isn't a bad thing its too bad the venezuela government is also starving venezuela and has been for longer than the sanctions. comedyblissoption posted:what is a legitimate source of news on venezuela, 536 i dunno, BBC, al jazerra, info wars,msnbc and tea leaves? anyone other than joke bloggers that get wet at plane tickets and gold swords. Also Russia Times reblogs all the poo poo from grayzone project. What does that tell you? Or are you pro-russia too hahahahahah Captain Billy Pissboy posted:How does Maduro paying for their trip change the fact that there are grocery stores full of food in rich neighborhoods? This is the point! Only the loving dirty rich can afford to eat regularly in VZ. The poor are starving. That is the problem. Holy gently caress. And the paid shills didn't present it as "this reflects the income inequality in VZ" they say " This shows you the food crisis is fake news". Go back and watch the report. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbXqGiNlWWw 536 has issued a correction as of 02:06 on Aug 13, 2019 |
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people generally only associate propaganda with direct state action. Like the US doesn’t need to force newspapers to do things so not propaganda
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536 posted:i dunno, BBC, al jazerra, info wars,msnbc and tea leaves? anyone other than joke bloggers that get wet at plane tickets and gold swords.
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Aug 13, 2019 02:08
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comedyblissoption posted:these are paid propagandists pushing the biases and material interests of those that fund them and are heavily influenced by the state governments of the countries hosting them, often in support of famine and genocide and other human atrocities. why do you not think these should be banned on youtube as well? actually you are right thats good lets do it
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Aug 13, 2019 02:09
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3 posted:first rule of ethical journalism: never accept a sword from anyone under any circumstances lol if you trust reporters square enough to turn down a cool sword
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Broke in 2019: "haha, these idiots think problems only started this year, when I the enlightened liberal understand the problem actually started 20 years ago!" Woke in 1829: "The United States appear to be destined by providence to plague America with misery in the name of liberty."
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536 posted:And the paid shills didn't present it as "this reflects the income inequality in VZ" they say " This shows you the food crisis is fake news". Go back and watch the report. what is at question here is not whether or not blumenthal is a propagandist with a conflict of interest or whether or not blumenthal is right in his assessment of the situation what is at question here is your basic ability to comprehend what other people are saying
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Aug 13, 2019 02:18
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Remember during the Iraq war when all the journalists at the major media companies went to the White House correspondents dinner where the president of the United States did a whole skit looking for the wmds Like he didn't even give them swords, just a whole routine about how gosh we sure lied our asses off about this war and you all sure parroted every loving word of it does that disqualify anyone hanging out with the dude who killed literally a million people having some yuks about how they helped him kill a million people
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It me, throwing a fit about media bias and advising everyone to listen to a bunch of media companies that are still in blackout mode re Honduras
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Blumenthal and Norton, with their 1,000 person audience, are agents of mass propaganda *Jorge Ramos says Venezuelans are eating bamboo shafts and gets 982k likes*
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Aug 13, 2019 02:23
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536 posted:its too bad the venezuela government is also starving venezuela and has been for longer than the sanctions. How is the Venezuelan government at fault for the privately controlled food and grocery industry profiteering?
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People starve in Latin America for 500 years: drat, poverty sucks. Brown people need to rise and grind People starve in Latin America during a populist administration: This is literally genocide
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Captain Billy Pissboy posted:How is the Venezuelan government at fault for the privately controlled food and grocery industry profiteering? 
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Frijolero posted:Blumenthal and Norton, with their 1,000 person audience, are agents of mass propaganda Why didn't they pay their way just like Jorge the hypocrites smdh
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Aug 13, 2019 02:33
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536 posted:This is the point! Only the loving dirty rich can afford to eat regularly in VZ. The poor are starving. That is the problem. Holy gently caress. if there is still income inequality in Venezuela, and there are still rich people in Venezuela, and the social dynamics are still such that the rich people get to afford to eat how is the hardship in Venezuela being caused by socialism and/or the government?
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Aug 13, 2019 02:34
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420 Gank Mid posted:Isn't it obvious? this livingstone fella seems pretty good lol
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536 posted:This is the point! Only the loving dirty rich can afford to eat regularly in VZ. The poor are starving. That is the problem. Holy gently caress. this is u lol 536 posted:People have been starving and mass emigrating for years because of the USA? edit: can we just make that the thread title already
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I'm wondering how bad it is when Lenny cracks open a beer in a beach side liquor store before paying for it or even knowing the price. Obviously not that bad for Lenny, at least. Their guide didn't really say anything disparaging about the CLAP boxes, which I was assure were not good while simultaneously a method of buying votes.
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