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It's probably racist, but I always imagined Klingon food to be analogous to Sichuan cuisine; bold flavors, with a focus on a broad range of textures. ...there might have been multiple occasions where I've said "would you like something easier?" to dinner companions at Sichuan restaurants.
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I had a huge Sichuan soup of some sort filled with various meats. It was delicious but a little too spicy and oily. I wouldn't say I didn't like it, it really was just a little too difficult.
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Aug 12, 2019 22:48
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Difficult food is a feature of Sichuan cuisine, not a bug. You're supposed to have dinner for two hours over beers with 6-10 people.
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Aug 12, 2019 23:30
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Klingon food is also difficult, but mostly because a lot of it is still moving...
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One onscreen Klingon dish is literally chicken feet, it's not an inaccurate comparison. Although considering how into super-fresh food and especially blood the Klingons are, I imagine they wouldn't really risk covering up the flavor with many spices or sauces. I wonder if there's some part of a Klingon ship that's just a breeding ground for livestock. It's weird how Klingons may be the most in-depth covered alien culture in the franchise. Nissir posted:Picard was raised by Luddites. Jean-Luc Picard was the first Picard to leave the Sol system, and they ran a vineyard ffs, they might have as well have been Amish. When I think of the parents of Picard and Sisco (who was a chef) I can't think of two more useless professions where you can tell a computer to make you a Fatburger cirque 2010 LA and a Dom Perignon 1979. I thought it was the implication of their post-scarcity, post-capitalism, post-TV setting that the bulk of Earth's population is somehow engaged in "useless professions" as weird hobbies. Not everyone wants to go and do their own research, not everyone can qualify to enter starfleet, and it never really seems like they're busting at the seams with billions of people putting out their own art, so just weird hobbies for everyone. Even colonization kinda gets treated as a weird hobby with no real purpose of its own.
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SlothfulCobra posted:I thought it was the implication of their post-scarcity, post-capitalism, post-TV setting that the bulk of Earth's population is somehow engaged in "useless professions" as weird hobbies. Not everyone wants to go and do their own research, not everyone can qualify to enter starfleet, and it never really seems like they're busting at the seams with billions of people putting out their own art, so just weird hobbies for everyone. Even colonization kinda gets treated as a weird hobby with no real purpose of its own.
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Aug 13, 2019 02:13
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Nullsmack posted:I wish when Voyager got to the Borg it was just a bunch of destroyed cubes and somewhat mysterious. Maybe get Seven by rescuing her from the shredded remains of one and then keep on trucking. Maybe have an encounter or two with Species 8472 later on that reveals they were responsible but not much else. I mean, that's kind of what happened, though, right? First, they discover a Borg corpse, then a dead cube and they're like, "what could have beaten the Borg?"
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Aug 13, 2019 03:47
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SlothfulCobra posted:I thought it was the implication of their post-scarcity, post-capitalism, post-TV setting that the bulk of Earth's population is somehow engaged in "useless professions" as weird hobbies. Not everyone wants to go and do their own research, not everyone can qualify to enter starfleet, and it never really seems like they're busting at the seams with billions of people putting out their own art, so just weird hobbies for everyone. Even colonization kinda gets treated as a weird hobby with no real purpose of its own. As for having some kind of a store or something that looks like a store, that doesn't seem unreasonable to me. It would be unreasonable if they were yelling about profit margins but if it's "here is a place with example goods pre-replicated, and if they fit your needs you can just take them home with you," hell, that's just an extrapolation from modern trends. Even if everything is ultimately coming out of a replicator, they have to PUT the replicators somewhere.
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Aug 13, 2019 04:18
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It's always kind of amusing in scifi that the characters never show an interest in contemporary-to-the-time-the-show-was-made media, simply because of rights issues that would be a hassle to deal with, so TV is just a dead medium in star trek and no one cares about it simply because any tv show a character would be watching would have to have money wasted licensing the clips. It's like the old mitchell and webb skit with the man who writes porn sharing an office, and his office-mate is trying to come up with an idea of his own coming up with "The woman has the sky man over and they have sex" only to be rebuked with "Nah, we can't name a company, it would have to be the cable man. We can't show favouritism. If she has sex with the sky man, then she'd need to also have sex with the talktalk man, and the freeview man... etc" So it's all stuff from a hundred years before the writers were writing or made up stuff.
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Aug 13, 2019 04:32
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SlothfulCobra posted:I thought it was the implication of their post-scarcity, post-capitalism, post-TV setting that the bulk of Earth's population is somehow engaged in "useless professions" as weird hobbies. Not everyone wants to go and do their own research, not everyone can qualify to enter starfleet, and it never really seems like they're busting at the seams with billions of people putting out their own art, so just weird hobbies for everyone. Even colonization kinda gets treated as a weird hobby with no real purpose of its own. In my head-canon the reason they have so many ship classes in Starfleet rather than just building hundreds each of a handful of classes is that Starship design is a giant make-work program. They are raising millions of kids with an interest in warp engines and engineering and rather than telling them "sorry, we don't need you" Starfleet command shrugs their post-scarcity shoulders and opens a new tab on the ship classes spreadsheet.
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Aug 13, 2019 05:04
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Senor Tron posted:They are raising millions of kids with an interest in warp engines and engineering and rather than telling them "sorry, we don't need you" Starfleet command shrugs their post-scarcity shoulders and opens a new tab on the ship classes spreadsheet. Guys, guys, I've got one. What if one ship...but it's three ships...
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Aug 13, 2019 05:22
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Der Luftwaffle posted:Guys, guys, I've got one. What if one ship...but it's three ships... *secretly calls Section 31*
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Aug 13, 2019 05:26
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Arglebargle III posted:dinner for two hours Why are you eating so fast? Not sure what "difficult" means in this context though. There's the widespread Asia thing of having two mouthfuls of edible food scattered among a pile of sharply hacked up bones?
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Aug 13, 2019 05:27
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Senor Tron posted:In my head-canon the reason they have so many ship classes in Starfleet rather than just building hundreds each of a handful of classes is that Starship design is a giant make-work program. They are raising millions of kids with an interest in warp engines and engineering and rather than telling them "sorry, we don't need you" Starfleet command shrugs their post-scarcity shoulders and opens a new tab on the ship classes spreadsheet. This explains all of the kitbashes.
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Aug 13, 2019 05:27
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To be fair they did only build a handful of classes until DS9/Voyager/TNG movies. There were really few classes by the end of TNG considering they stretched over a hundred years. It was, what, Connie, Miranda, Excelsior, Oberth, Constellation - all of which were over seventy years old - and then Galaxy, Nebula and Ambassador as the only recent ships? And random bita of debris spinning around Wolf 359. Then a bunch of ships we'd never seen before popped up in First Contact and things went off from there. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 05:38 on Aug 13, 2019 |
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Aug 13, 2019 05:32
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TNG had high-quality studio models from the films available, so those are what they used at first. They made a decision to not use the Connie Refit model though some burned chunks of it are in the Wolf 359 debris. The first kitbashed models made for TNG were pretty basic and required minimal new pieces, like the Constellation and various Miranda derivatives. Then the BoBW debris ships that weren't made to be seen up close or intact. Even the Nebula makes heavy use of existing parts, so I think the Enterprise-C is the first really all new, scratchbuilt Fed ship we see in TNG.
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Nissir posted:Picard was raised by Luddites. Jean-Luc Picard was the first Picard to leave the Sol system, and they ran a vineyard ffs, they might have as well have been Amish. When I think of the parents of Picard and Sisco (who was a chef) I can't think of two more useless professions where you can tell a computer to make you a Fatburger cirque 2010 LA and a Dom Perignon 1979. It's implied that the replicator recipies aren't perfect, and that it's missing "something" when compared to home cooked food. Sisko can program the replicator to make his father's gumbo, but even if he were to use a holorecording of Joseph cooking it as the template for how the replicator should make it, it won't taste as good. There's also some stuff that can't be replicated perfectly, like Latinum in general, and cooking specifically you've got some alcoholic beverages. Guinan made this one thing in her quarters during one of her Deep Metaphorical Mystery Talks that she mentions needs to be made by hand or it evaporates. Besides, how are we supposed to get new vintages to replicate if nobody is making them? Are we supposed to be satisfied with pre-replicator wines only?
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BioEnchanted posted:It's always kind of amusing in scifi that the characters never show an interest in contemporary-to-the-time-the-show-was-made media, simply because of rights issues that would be a hassle to deal with, Babylon 5 liked to reference Daffy Duck, which was only 50 years old at the time and featured everyone's favorite contemporary branded drink, Zima in the background. There's also a stronger tendency of sci fi outside of Star Trek to try filling the background with details to make it seem like people of the future are still producing and consuming similar media to what they are now. Captain Kirk cared enough about 1960s TV to go and pitch a pilot.  I think the conspicuous absence of contemporary or even faux contemporary media in Star Trek is a specific choice. There may be a little old man yelling at cloud in there of just being grumpy about TV seeming kinda dumb and some trying to portray the Federation's culture as being ultra-sophisticated, so only references that seemed kinda classy in the 80s get through, disregarding how even Shakespeare and Sherlock Holmes once seemed humbler. The most contemporary Trek dares to get is Jazz. I can only imagine that newfangled rock and roll music was another casualty of the Eugenics Wars.
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SlothfulCobra posted:Babylon 5 liked to reference Daffy Duck, which was only 50 years old at the time and featured everyone's favorite contemporary branded drink, Zima in the background. There's also a stronger tendency of sci fi outside of Star Trek to try filling the background with details to make it seem like people of the future are still producing and consuming similar media to what they are now. Captain Kirk cared enough about 1960s TV to go and pitch a pilot. Can't stand it I know you planned it Imma set it straight This Watergate
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BioEnchanted posted:It's always kind of amusing in scifi that the characters never show an interest in contemporary-to-the-time-the-show-was-made media, simply because of rights issues that would be a hassle to deal with, To be honest I think it's in part because contemporary stuff dates quickly. It's impossible to know which of your current media is going to become classics, whereas if you look to old things, we can be pretty sure Bach will still be a known name in 300 years, and when people watch this twenty years from now that'll still be reasonable. FuturePastNow posted:TNG had high-quality studio models from the films available, so those are what they used at first. They made a decision to not use the Connie Refit model though some burned chunks of it are in the Wolf 359 debris. The first kitbashed models made for TNG were pretty basic and required minimal new pieces, like the Constellation and various Miranda derivatives. Then the BoBW debris ships that weren't made to be seen up close or intact. Budget was probably biggest reason for reusing the old models rather than quality, though. There were quite a few points in TNG where they were going to build a new model and couldn't do it. Pegasus was planned to be an Nebula/Miranda layout made with Ambassador-class parts or to look like it was from that design family. It's weird they didn't use the Ambassador class more often once they had the model, there's lots of times when they used an Excelsior in TNG when an Ambassador would've fit better and made it feel like Starfleet wasn't all hundred year old ships. I think the model might've been messed up? But it did show up a few rare times more. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 07:38 on Aug 13, 2019 |
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curiousTerminal posted:Besides, how are we supposed to get new vintages to replicate if nobody is making them? Are we supposed to be satisfied with pre-replicator wines only?  to write on forums about it are also the kind of people who look at these and think "Well obviously everyone would just go have huge holodeck orgies all day and live off replicator rations and die out; that's what I'd do." They're not thinking third dimensionally.
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SlothfulCobra posted:It's weird how Klingons may be the most in-depth covered alien culture in the franchise.  How is that in any way weird? They're the first race introduced, or at least the first enemy race.
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Nessus posted:As for having some kind of a store or something that looks like a store, that doesn't seem unreasonable to me. It would be unreasonable if they were yelling about profit margins but if it's "here is a place with example goods pre-replicated, and if they fit your needs you can just take them home with you," hell, that's just an extrapolation from modern trends. Even if everything is ultimately coming out of a replicator, they have to PUT the replicators somewhere. They had a replication room on the Enterprise-D for consumer goods that was kinda like that. A big shop full of 40-inch 2D TVs on display to choose from still doesn't make any sense given the TNG world though. "Oh, this one is... identical to all the others, 2D display is perfected." Should just be rocking up and going "Hey, cut me a 224x173cm pane of smartglass for our new room, thanks." Or just telling the computer to get it delivered from a replifactory. I know, I'm a grumpy nerd baby who overthinks everything. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 08:23 on Aug 13, 2019 |
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Given the automated luxury communism of Earth, I would expect that there would be artisanal smartglass installers who show up with a replicator truck and custom-fit stuff to your home while passing on the solemn wisdom of the trade, and then you tip them in reputation points or whatever else passes as a scarcity substitute.
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Hipster_Doofus posted:
The Romulans appeared three whole months before the Klingons ever did. Please be prepared to surrender your nerd card at the nearest Starbase.
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Roadie posted:Given the automated luxury communism of Earth, I would expect that there would be artisanal smartglass installers who show up with a replicator truck and custom-fit stuff to your home while passing on the solemn wisdom of the trade, and then you tip them in reputation points or whatever else passes as a scarcity substitute. MikeJF posted:They had a replication room on the Enterprise-D for consumer goods that was kinda like that.
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MikeJF posted:They had a replication room on the Enterprise-D for consumer goods that was kinda like that. They did? Powered Descent posted:The Romulans appeared three whole months before the Klingons ever did. Please be prepared to surrender your nerd card at the nearest Starbase. Oh, hah. Well in that case the really weird thing is that the Romulans are fleshed out as poorly as they are.
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Yeah... the kid was buying gifts for someone? Picked stuff out of a replicator or something?
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Nessus posted:I mean you could say "thank you," perhaps give them a small token of your esteem. Ya goddamn nerds! I figure there has to be something that allocates scarcity for inherently limited-access luxuries, unless getting a table in the Sisko family restaurant is either "you have to book a reservation twelve years ago" or literally just a random lottery among everyone interested.
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No poo poo? I'm drawing an absolute blank. Was that the only time it was shown? Poll: who here remembers the Replimart?
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Aug 13, 2019 09:48
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When Data and Worf were picking out gifts for the wedding in Data's Day
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Roadie posted:I figure there has to be something that allocates scarcity for inherently limited-access luxuries, unless getting a table in the Sisko family restaurant is either "you have to book a reservation twelve years ago" or literally just a random lottery among everyone interested.
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Transporter credits are Starfleet Academy thing, I think. I figure you're like 'hey EarthComputer I wanna go to Hawaii' and it'll be like 'okay you're beaming there' or 'okay a skycar will take you' or 'okay a hopper will pop you from your house to the seatrain' based on how it can organise things for the entire planet, and if you schedule it ahead of time you get slotted closer to your ideal time and comfort or are more likely to get beamed straight there because it's easier to organise. And if you get sent a skycar but whine that you need to go in a hurry the computer will schedule you a beam but do it too often and your whining gets ranked lower and lower in priority. Not so much credits as a floating rank based on how much you've been using and abusing the system. You know, the usual potentially nightmarish all-knowing computer setup that could go dystopian in a heartbeat if not managed very carefully. TNG has 'em everywhere. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 10:38 on Aug 13, 2019 |
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Roadie posted:and then you tip them in reputation points or whatever else passes as a scarcity substitute. knowing Roddenberry, I'm going to assume it's "sex"
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SlothfulCobra posted:Babylon 5 liked to reference Daffy Duck, which was only 50 years old at the time and featured everyone's favorite contemporary branded drink, Zima in the background. There's also a stronger tendency of sci fi outside of Star Trek to try filling the background with details to make it seem like people of the future are still producing and consuming similar media to what they are now. Captain Kirk cared enough about 1960s TV to go and pitch a pilot. Babylon 5 was made by Warner Brothers (and broadcast on their network), they didn't have to license anything. TNG and DS9 were the only straight-to-syndication Treks - IANAIPL, but I suspect that this severely limited the library of material that was available to them without having to pay per-use. And yes, while there is an element of aesthetic choice involved, I can't say it's a bad one as far as keeping the shows from feeling dated. I saw someone once make the argument that "classical music and Shakespeare have already endured for centuries, they will continue to do so." Can you imagine what TOS would have been like if they'd thought it was a good idea to reference Mr. Ed, Gilligan's Island, or Dragnet?
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After The War posted:Babylon 5 was made by Warner Brothers (and broadcast on their network), they didn't have to license anything. TNG and DS9 were the only straight-to-syndication Treks - IANAIPL, but I suspect that this severely limited the library of material that was available to them without having to pay per-use. Pizza Beach!
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Drink-Mix Man posted:I mean, that's kind of what happened, though, right? First, they discover a Borg corpse, then a dead cube and they're like, "what could have beaten the Borg?" It's been forever since I've seen it but I randomly caught a scene or two from the middle of the episode when they're working with the Borg but somehow talk themselves out of assimilation and end up with Seven. My idea is more about playing up the mysterious side. Instead of Voyager trying to work out a deal with the Borg and not being assimilated for plot reasons. They can have this potential threat looming out there while keeping some of the mystique of the Borg intact. One of the Federation's biggest baddest enemies is just toasted, off-screen, by something that could be an even bigger threat.
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MikeJF posted:It's weird they didn't use the Ambassador class more often once they had the model, there's lots of times when they used an Excelsior in TNG when an Ambassador would've fit better and made it feel like Starfleet wasn't all hundred year old ships. I think the model might've been messed up? But it did show up a few rare times more. According to Memory Alpha, the Ambassador-class model was of less quality than normal due to time restraints (they had less than two weeks to make the Enterprise-C model). Combined with normal wear and tear during filming meant that the model just became too busted to do filming with.
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I really wish they had done more with the New Orleans class other than relegate it to background info and being a piece of space debris at Wolf 359. It's a kitbash, sure, but it looks like it'd be something to replace the Miranda class.
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In the 24th century the Enterprise-A is presumably still in one piece, displayed in some space museum right? Was there a specific reason they never showed it post-TUC, or did 90s TV producers just have a lot of restraint compared to now? Don't get me wrong I'm fine with the sendoff as-is. It's just remarkable because there's no way that would've been left alone in today's landscape.
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