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AceOfFlames posted:Paradox of tolerance. Anyone who makes those choices is clearly devoid of empathy and is so sure in their opinion that they cannot be reasoned with. Really don't think you quite get what Popper was getting at with the paradox of tolerance thing. Anyway, under your logic can you be expected to willingly shoot yourself in the head because you are devoid of empathy for Brexiters? 13th August 1792: King Louis XVI is formally arrested and declared Enemy of the People by the National Assembly, eventually leading to his trial and execution. forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 11:55 on Aug 13, 2019 |
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CGI Stardust posted:Furry monsters This was also a great post. I'm coming round on nature's terrible beauty
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Rarity posted:There is a huge difference between 'voted Leave' and 'full on fash' (hi Tess!). With the way Britain's been radicalising that difference is decreasing but it's still important. Whether they're still there now is a different matter. I also don't buy the "not all Leave voters are racist, but all racists voted Leave" line that was floating around in 2017. Whole lot of Metropolitan Englanders voted Remain because "my small business" or "my holiday home" or "at least the Euros aren't coloured" while still holding racist views. Miftan posted:Also fwiw that paradox of tolerance doesn't mean 'shoot them in the head if they're intolerant'. That's your own interpretation and it says a lot about you.
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Holy poo poo AceOfFlames you are like this in every thread I see you, you blather on about your insecurities and not believing in anything and then you turn around and propose poo poo like shooting people for voting leave or get mad of people making fun of the Soylent guy. You refuse to engage with the reasons why someone might vote leave and dismiss them all as empathyless monsters, which looks really funny when your solution is to murder them. You're either incredibly stupid or not arguing in good faith. Get a loving clue.
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Niric posted:And this picture, shockingly, is not from a slapstick 1980s sitcom: that's cunts dot jpeg if ever I saw it.
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Rarity posted:There is a huge difference between 'voted Leave' and 'full on fash' (hi Tess!). With the way Britain's been radicalising that difference is decreasing but it's still important. Speaking of, the Graun long read (mentioned in passing here) is really good https://twitter.com/DanielHCohen/status/1161224424139448320
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The Deleter posted:get mad of people making fun of the Soylent guy oh my god does he really lmao
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Genociding my gut flora so I don't have to poop post-Brexit.
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The soylent guy is a colossal pillock, if you're looking for people to shoot I think he trumps brexiters both in idiocy and actual harm.
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Tesseraction posted:oh my god does he really lmao I don't wanna turn it into a full helldump since that's weird and also worth a ban last I checked, but yeah he totally does.
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Tesseraction posted:Speaking of, the Graun long read (mentioned in passing here) is really good https://twitter.com/DanielHCohen/status/1161224424139448320 I was just going to post that. It does a good job of throwing shade on the fubpee crowd but I think it is too subtle for them to get that message. For example: grauniad posted:Remainists often describe Brexit as a distraction from the real problems Britain faces – austerity, inequality, a creaking NHS. Yet those problems existed long before the referendum, without galvanising most remainists in the way Brexit has. This skewers them pretty well. Further up it mentions how they're radicalised in much the same way as the gammons: pining for a time that never really existed, and if it did exist was solely to their benefit at the expense of the growing number of impoverished.
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The Deleter posted:I don't wanna turn it into a full helldump since that's weird and also worth a ban last I checked, but yeah he totally does. Oh yeah we don't need a helldump here it's just very funny that he supports the man with the object permanence of a baby.
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You won't be mocking him when we're all wearing jumpsuits and eating nutrient slop made in a lead tank next year.
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I think the biggest problem with all the FBPE nonsense is that it actually delegitimizes reasonable remain positions, both by making it harder for people to identify with said positions and by establishing a "both sides are equally bad" narrative for many (including some ITT). And it doesn't do any favours to Labour either, though I suspect that's intentional for some. e: Then again Brexit sucks in a major way and it's good to get the message out, it's not like the other side is exactly silent. Private Speech fucked around with this message at 12:13 on Aug 13, 2019 |
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Guavanaut posted:You won't be mocking him when we're all wearing jumpsuits and eating nutrient slop made in a lead tank next year. Honestly that would be a way better outcome than NDB could reasonably deliver
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OwlFancier posted:mate I would kill for my own shipping crate to live in. I am about to lease a shipping crate! I can rent it to you to live in and then you can guillotine me and I can shake my head (quite a lot actually) at the intolerance of the left.
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OwlFancier posted:The soylent guy is a colossal pillock, if you're looking for people to shoot I think he trumps brexiters both in idiocy and actual harm. That was taken out of context. I support making fun of Soylent guy's stupid life style choices. What I don't support is when people make fun of people like him or Zuckerberg with "Get a load of this loving nerd! He studied COMPUTER SCIENCE! Aren't engineers WEIRD?" You can make fun of specific things without generalizing to a whole group and getting other people caught in the crossfire. I thought the whole point of progressivism is to live in a society where no one is mocked for anything other than causing explicit harm to others (in which point fire away with extreme prejudice).
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StarkingBarfish posted:I was just going to post that. It does a good job of throwing shade on the fubpee crowd but I think it is too subtle for them to get that message. Completely agree. It's a good article but it will go over most people's heads precisely because they are the way they are. The comments should be interesting....
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Blair only appears once but mandelson is in 10 time https://twitter.com/saluspopuliorg/...ingawful.com%2F
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AceOfFlames posted:I thought the whole point of progressivism is to live in a society where no one is mocked for anything other than causing explicit harm to others (in which point fire away with extreme prejudice). Also lol at Spring. Can't believe someone called Jolyon is completely detached from normal experience. God dammit, he should have done that festival.
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AceOfFlames posted:I thought the whole point of progressivism is to live in a society where no one is mocked for anything other than causing explicit harm to others (in which point fire away with extreme prejudice). Being a terrible techbro in a position of power is absolutely explicitly harm causing because techbros are bad people with a bad culture and they are a product of bad ideas about education and training. Discrediting them and their fields as being destructive self indulgent wankery is praxis.
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OwlFancier posted:Gonna say that STEMlords having no concept of society is a: a thing and b: not a thing you of all people can credibly dispute. See, here is what I don't understand. I keep seeing this argument over and over and over. "When I say STEMlords/any privileged group etc are bad, I am not talking about YOU unless YOU do something bad." I'm sorry but I don't buy that. It's elementary logic: All As are B I am an A. Therefore I am B. It feels unnecessarily disrespectful and missing the point all for the sake of saving some words. Is it so hard to add a qualified like "inconsiderate/unempathetic/etc" to the group name? Otherwise it's like if you want to do the right thing, you have to hear verbal abuse 24/7 because "oh they are just blowing off steam". I don't insult anyone unless they do harm to others. Period. Brexit is an objectively harmful thing. Bigotry is an objectively harmful thing. Those are acceptable targets. My own parents once told me I was an egomaniac because "you never badmouth anyone except Trump. It's like other people are so beneath your notice that you never commebt on them being ugly, or weird. That's not healthy". Is this the society you want to create?
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Jose posted:Blair only appears once but mandelson is in 10 time Every time I see that photo of Randy Andy with the poor lassie I think it's that Milly Dowler lass who was murdered and then the News of the World hacked her phone.
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OwlFancier posted:Gonna say that STEMlords having no concept of society is a: a thing and b: not a thing you of all people can credibly dispute. Like when dragonlord psychologists think they have a superior grasp of Canadian federal and provincial human rights laws, or English and French Lit postgrads believe they know the exact definition of true natal wymyn, or when Tory MBAs say anything about anything. It would be most unfair not to extend that to Comp Sci nerds who march into entirely unfamiliar situations and say "I can solve policing, what is racism?"
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AceOfFlames posted:See, here is what I don't understand. I keep seeing this argument over and over and over. "When I say STEMlords/any privileged group etc are bad, I am not talking about YOU unless YOU do something bad." I'm sorry but I don't buy that. It's elementary logic: I am explicitly saying that you, personally, are an excellent example of the problem with the STEM mindset. Being ugly or weird isn't a problem, and even if it was we can't change society to make people less ugly. But being a fact fetishizing dork who can't envision any society that isn't run by a computer is a problem and one we can absolutely drill out of people by changing the way we educate people. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 12:35 on Aug 13, 2019 |
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OwlFancier posted:Being a terrible techbro in a position of power is absolutely explicitly harm causing because techbros are bad people with a bad culture and they are a product of bad ideas about education and training. Discrediting them and their fields as being destructive self indulgent wankery is praxis. Then what are the only "worthy" fields then? Are we just supposed to turn our backs in technology and go back to tribalism and clean each other with leaves? Or just stop here and create an entirely static society not learning anything about the world around us and smoking weed until the climate kills us all or the Sun swallows they are Earth? I'd rather complete extinction that an eternal dark age.
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If your parents told you you're an egomaniac then maybe you got loving problems, like being an egomaniac. Edit: Holy shiiiiit shut the gently caress up you always take the arguments from this thread in bad faith you absolute poo poo. Nobody here wants to revert to loving caveman days and if you think that's a genuine conclusion to take from "rich tech CEOs are loving people over" then you need to sort yourself out. It's like being attacked by white noise with anxiety.
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AceOfFlames posted:I thought the whole point of progressivism is to live in a society where no one is mocked for anything other than causing explicit harm to others Good grief. The point of socialism is to free people from the power of property owners. This is typically expected to have beneficial effects on their health, relationships, creativity, and general enjoyment of life. Eliminating mockery has never been a particular left wing goal, and that you should think it is the central thing is extraordinary. What kind of privilege do you have that makes being laughed at the most terrible oppression?
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AceOfFlames posted:All As are B 
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Comrade Fakename posted:I think that the main reason Regarde Aduck got banned is that he called someone (presumably Asian) “moon-faced”, not necessarily what he was defending in general.
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forkboy84 posted:Every time I see that photo of Randy Andy with the poor lassie I think it's that Milly Dowler lass who was murdered and then the News of the World hacked her phone. you'd think one of the 10 numbers he had for mandelson the press could have tried hacking
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AceOfFlames posted:Then what are the only "worthy" fields then? Are we just supposed to turn our backs in technology and go back to tribalism and clean each other with leaves? Or just stop here and create an entirely static society not learning anything about the world around us and smoking weed until the climate kills us all or the Sun swallows they are Earth? I'd rather complete extinction that an eternal dark age. If we did nothing but smoke weed the climate would stabilize almost immediately, as not even the most powerful weedlord could choom hard enough to match the damage that the endless pursuit of greater production does to the planet. Again, your fetisization of technology is part of the problem. Because it isn't going to be you who dies because of it, it's going to be a lot of people in places who never see the benefit of the things you're claiming as great, and it's going to be the people who come after you. Look at this poo poo: AceOfFlames posted:I'd rather complete extinction that an eternal dark age. "I would rather everyone on the planet die than think that we won't have a robot I can put my dick in soon." gently caress you, why should anyone give a poo poo about what you want when that's how much you give a poo poo about them? OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 12:40 on Aug 13, 2019 |
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Nothing has made me yearn for Brexit as much as that long read. Time to get off the internet for a bit I think.
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AceOfFlames posted:Then what are the only "worthy" fields then? You're missing the point. The point is very few people are smart enough to have much worth saying outside their field. Being a computer toucher doesn't give you an insight into society and politics or economics or anything else but touching computers.
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Jose posted:Blair only appears once but mandelson is in 10 time I thought Mandelson was gay? AFAIK, Epstein only trafficked girls. Could be more a relationship of business than pleasure, I guess.
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OwlFancier posted:If we did nothing but smoke weed the climate would stabilize almost immediately, as not even the most powerful weedlord could choom hard enough to match the damage that the endless pursuit of greater production does to the planet. Actually no. Even if we stopped emitting CO2 we'd still have to suck some of it out of the atmosphere at this point. People still behave as if we are pre 2011 and we just need to lower our carbon footprint.
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OwlFancier posted:"I would rather everyone on the planet die than think that we won't have a robot I can put my dick in soon." SA_Avenger posted:Actually no. Even if we stopped emitting CO2 we'd still have to suck some of it out of the atmosphere at this point. People still behave as if we are pre 2011 and we just need to lower our carbon footprint.
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